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Malakittens · Post Post #850 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:04 am

↑ Egg wrote:Trojan, the way you listed it originally looked like you were assuming four. Then again I didn't realize on first glance that micc/vyse was one slot so meh. My bad.

Mala, I forget when but I remember flash wagoning scum right before deadline semi recently.

I have played over 10 games on my homesite. We always flash-lynched at deadline and we always hit town, always. I'm deadset against it. Call it my beliefs, standards etc, but i wont

Trojan Horse · Post Post #851 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:11 am

Forget the flash-lynch. There's not enough people around to do it, anyway.

Fenchurch · Post Post #852 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:16 am

Okay I'm gonna vote Thor. Talked it over with my team and we're pretty sure that Trojan is town, and that Thor has a reasonable chance of being scum. Patrick also believes that the utility of town-Thor-Hider is reduced now he's claimed, as if he crumbs or claims his targets then scum can double kill when he hides behind town, and that puts us on evens, which probably loses us a lynch overall. I wasn't sold on this at first because I'd be kinda happy with a double-kill if it takes out two scummy players, but it seems that maybe just lynching Thor has the same net effect, and is the right thing to do if he's scum.

That's not the only reason, but it helps.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thor

Trojan Horse · Post Post #853 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:20 am

Six votes for Thor, six votes for me, and the 13th voter is... Thor.

A certain Charlie Brown special comes to mind right now...

Fenchurch · Post Post #854 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:25 am

Given that he hasn't posted in the past 1.5 days when it would have been useful to hear more from him, I am not counting on Thor showing up in the next 30 minutes before deadline.

Egg · Post Post #855 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:28 am

He's also V/LA...

Egg · Post Post #856 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:31 am

Fenchurch, hammer your scumbuddy lol

Trojan Horse · Post Post #857 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:36 am

↑ Egg wrote:
Trojan wrote: A thought I had today: if Jason is scum and Thor is town, Jason's push to lynch me makes no sense. Jason would know that his goose is cooked if Thor survives the day, so he'd push to lynch Thor. (And he wouldn't look scummy for doing so; as has been pointed out, Thor has made a safe claim that he can get away with.) So either Jason is town, or... oh, this BETTER not be the truth... Jason and Thor are BOTH scum. So I'm certainly not going to push against Jason now

Not if scum has a roleblocker and Jason wants to push "don't lynch PR claims" because he claimed bodyguard.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the roleblocker wouldn't help here. Hider is immune to blocks, but dies if he hides with scum.

Or is that not how hiders normally work?

Egg · Post Post #858 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:37 am

Why would they be immune to blocks?

Trojan Horse · Post Post #859 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:39 am

Because they're hiding, so no actions affect them.

Looking it up now...

Egg · Post Post #860 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:40 am

Huh. I rarely, if ever, consult the wiki. But I did because this is a normal game and it looks like you are right.

Malakittens · Post Post #861 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:40 am

Thought hiders are immune to anything, but a tracker.

Egg · Post Post #862 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:41 am

So if Thor is alive tomorrow, Jason is confirmed as either:
A) town bodyguard or
B) Scum with Thor

Why is Thor up for a lynch again?

Egg · Post Post #863 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:43 am

Actually... this goes against everything I stand for lol

But

No lynch might actually be less disastarous than lynching a claimed hider...

Trojan Horse · Post Post #864 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:44 am

Egg wrote:So if Thor is alive tomorrow, Jason is confirmed as either:
A) town bodyguard or
B) Scum with Thor

Why is Thor up for a lynch again?

Because he made a claim that scum would likely make: not likely to be counterclaimed, with a chance of being able to masquerade as town for a while.

Plus pie's early case against Thor, which I don't have time to type out...

Fenchurch · Post Post #865 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:45 am

There isn't a standard for Hiders, sometimes they are immune but it depends what the mid chooses and/or what's specified in the role PM. That's why it would have been useful to hear from Thor. It's also why my team think the claim is fake.

Trojan Horse · Post Post #866 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:45 am

↑ Egg wrote:No lynch might actually be less disastarous than lynching a claimed hider...

No. We NEED to lynch someone.

Fenchurch · Post Post #867 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:47 am

If Thor is scum, then no lynch just loses us a Day.

Egg · Post Post #868 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:47 am

It's a good fakeclaim to make BECAUSE lynching it is such horrible play. We can deal with it later. Hell, even Day 2 if we lynch him and he flips scum, Jason is confirmed as his buddy. If we lynch him today, we don't have that luxury. Waiting will confirm players' alignments regardless of his alignment.

Egg · Post Post #869 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:48 am

↑ Fenchurch wrote:If Thor is scum, then no lynch just loses us a Day.

Lynching Trojan isn't nearly as risky though. Or as dumb.

Trojan Horse · Post Post #870 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:50 am

Egg wrote:It's a good fakeclaim to make BECAUSE lynching it is such horrible play. We can deal with it later. Hell, even Day 2 if we lynch him and he flips scum, Jason is confirmed as his buddy.

No, that DOESN'T confirm Jason as his buddy.

Egg · Post Post #871 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:51 am

How? You said yourself that if Jason is scum, it's proven tomorrow. You're the one who brought this whole thing up. Now that the only other option is lynching you, you don't even agree with it?

Egg · Post Post #872 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:52 am

What happened to Jason absolutely having to lynch Thor is he's scum? It was YOUR point. Why is it suddenly not true anymore?

Trojan Horse · Post Post #873 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:53 am

We could have Thor scum and Jason town. I doubt we can have Jason scum and Thor town.

Trojan Horse · Post Post #874 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:54 am

You had it backwards.