Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Oversoul]

Why are you scum reading DV, Mastin?
Titus, you have over 400 posts. Please take a breather for a little bit.

[Titus]

You just disagreed with Mastina's scumread on DV, but he's not in your townreads. Oversight?

Why don't the three of us work together and exclude GiF, Cheetory, Marquis, TTH, Vezok, DV, Bulba and Shadoweh from the lynch pool today. We maintain our independent reads though?

Acknowledged Oversoul. Once I get my townreads working together I will.

[Titus]

Forgot CDB there.

[Titus]

and Oversoul.

[Gammagooey]

You'll have to convince both me and nacho about singer. We both townread Empire's replace out.

What part of the replace out looked town to you? The mental health explanation is absolutely not alignment indicative, and I think it's pretty obvious that Empire would be putting in a lot of effort into his last post of the game to try to help out his team before he goes as either alignment.

[fferyllt]

You just disagreed with Mastina's scumread on DV, but he's not in your townreads. Oversight?

No. Right now I feel like DV and Marquis are in the alternate universe category. DV to a lesser extent than marquis because he's at least talking about his reads and stances.

[fferyllt]

You'll have to convince both me and nacho about singer. We both townread Empire's replace out.

What part of the replace out looked town to you? The mental health explanation is absolutely not alignment indicative, and I think it's pretty obvious that Empire would be putting in a lot of effort into his last post of the game to try to help out his team before he goes as either alignment.

I'll discuss this in a bit. I'm trying to do too many things at once, and this is a thing that needs a good explanation.

[fferyllt]

You just disagreed with Mastina's scumread on DV, but he's not in your townreads. Oversight?

Why don't the three of us work together and exclude GiF, Cheetory, Marquis, TTH, Vezok, DV, Bulba and Shadoweh from the lynch pool today. We maintain our independent reads though?

Acknowledged Oversoul. Once I get my townreads working together I will.

I am going to be working with GiF, Cheetory and CDB as well as you and Oversoul. And maybe Mastin. She can decide if she wants to field a competing townbloc today, but it will be a competing town bloc if that's what she does, and on her head be it if it turns out that two townblocs are bad for town as a whole.

[vezokpiraka]

the moment you vote for singer my brain goes kaboom and I start to think you are scum.

Tough. I'm town, walking deadwoman town at that. singer...isn't.

@Mastina, Thanks. We need to talk about GiF. He's town but I can't explain why. He should be in the block.

If you can give me 100% assurance that GIF is not scum, then I'll consider it. (It depends on his reads more than anything else.) I am dropping the scumread, though. I trust you there.

Speaking of which, updated readslist is coming in.

This is bigger than you ego. This is team mafia and I get a shiny banner if I win.

Can you walk me through why TTH is town holding my hand and talking to me like I'm 5?

[vezokpiraka]

You just disagreed with Mastina's scumread on DV, but he's not in your townreads. Oversight?

Why don't the three of us work together and exclude GiF, Cheetory, Marquis, TTH, Vezok, DV, Bulba and Shadoweh from the lynch pool today. We maintain our independent reads though?

Acknowledged Oversoul. Once I get my townreads working together I will.

I am going to be working with GiF, Cheetory and CDB as well as you and Oversoul. And maybe Mastin. She can decide if she wants to field a competing townbloc today, but it will be a competing town bloc if that's what she does, and on her head be it if it turns out that two townblocs are bad for town as a whole.

What happened to me?

[fferyllt]

@bulba,

This is my one reach-out to you. If you want to convince me you're town or work with me in this game, then it will have to be without further posts that I interpret as sniping and discrediting. Talk about your reads, not my shortcomings.

[fferyllt]

You just disagreed with Mastina's scumread on DV, but he's not in your townreads. Oversight?

Why don't the three of us work together and exclude GiF, Cheetory, Marquis, TTH, Vezok, DV, Bulba and Shadoweh from the lynch pool today. We maintain our independent reads though?

Acknowledged Oversoul. Once I get my townreads working together I will.

I am going to be working with GiF, Cheetory and CDB as well as you and Oversoul. And maybe Mastin. She can decide if she wants to field a competing townbloc today, but it will be a competing town bloc if that's what she does, and on her head be it if it turns out that two townblocs are bad for town as a whole.

What happened to me?

I'm seeing you similar to dv and marquis. I don't really know what is driving your stances, though we have some areas of apparent agreement. As such, I have no way of knowing if our reads are converging or diverging.

[Titus]

What happened since 1917 FFery?

[fferyllt]

What happened since 1917 FFery?

What read are you asking about?

[Titus]

DV being god tier town. Your words.

[fferyllt]

I don't think you grasp the difference between feeling someone is town and feeling someone is town and also sympatico.

I kind of thought that ceph would build a bridge but it hasn't happened.

[Titus]

No. I don't. Explain please.

[fferyllt]

Uncouth Mafia would be an extreme example.

[singersigner]

TTH scum read is based on two large things:

1.

TTH visiting DV

: DV is widely regarded as one of the most universally town-read people in this game, and my team has a really hard time justifying what kind of role could be provable that would justify this action. He's fairly active and far from incompetent, and seems like a prime N1 scum kill target. Without mentioning or commenting on DV during Minor Day 1, and stressing her town read of Marquis with the Boon vote, it looks like scum trying to find the sign for that accurate night kill. Her return in Post 1484 and reaction in Post 1486 make very little sense from our perspective. Like I said earlier, we feel so strongly that this is not a town-motivated action or reaction, that we don't want to give her the opportunity to come back and fake-claim something later based on more scum results and the likelihood that this was done in order to kill DV.

2.

TTH replacing in:

Before you get your panties in a bunch, it's not just because Anti replaced out and he hates being scum. The excuse given was that Anti didn't have time for this game and couldn't keep up with how large it had gotten. Because of this, I/we would expect much more out of her. Even Titus has accredited her with being competent, so it's weird that she's satisfied with TTH's contributions which we all have found to be underwhelming at best. Not only that, but her contributions basically break down like this: 30% defending her action last night, agreeing with Mastin through Post 1520 (which feels like scum taking advantage of Mastin's terrible reads), disappearing for three days only to come back and comment on Tammy's case/how busy she is/how she has reads but doesn't give them (Post 2116), then attacking DV's reads in Post 2117.

It boils down to actively lurking unless she's the topic of conversation, and not being able to substantiate the reasons for her action while simultaneously being as little a factor in this game as Antihero was.

Shadoweh scum read is based on a few things:

1.

Her interactions with our slot:

From "agreeing" with Tammy in Post 391, to the tone of mentioning Zar in Post 486 (Empire touched on that a bit). The way she voted Bulb in Post 658 and then called our slot town when Empire replaced in seemed unnatural because if she was really switching her vote due to a town read on Empire, it should've come at the same time or before she bothered changing her vote.

2.

Stance on Boon not being outed:

Post 1173 and Post 1192. Not specifically a scum-tell, but noting because it feels like it's only optimal play for her, which could go either way.

3.

Connection to TTH:

Because we're scumreading both of them, this point really only makes a difference if either flip scum, but Post 1466 and Post 1653 look like she's specifically avoiding bussing. Her comments about not having a say about the first lynch but jumping onto the second one in Post 1653 is not coming from a town-mindset. I also already brought this up, but asking why there are no votes on my slot suggests that she wants votes to fall on us, which directly contradicts her aforementioned apathy with the first lynch. It really reads as trying to get people to focus on our suspicion rather than TTH's (who was the largest wagon at the time), supporting our scum read of both of them. (adding in that this mindset of not pushing any reads doesn't make sense coming from a team with GI and basically looks like coasting)

[Titus]

Mind meld?

Fuck it. VOTE: Singer

[fferyllt]

:/

[Titus]

Sympathico is mind meld right?

Singer has been rehashing vanity wagons, complaining about the game statevthat makes no coherent sense, spending more time talking about people she will not lynch and has no desire to work with anyone. Espy at least tries rather than posting unless drivel that makes me want to be overly aggressive.

[fferyllt]

mind meld would be an extreme example of town that share enough of a vision of the game state to work together.

the emote was about the vote.

[Titus]

Either are good votes, just Singer is really grinding my patience and I see nothing town about her.

[fferyllt]

I just finished a game with scum-singer.

Doesn't look at all like her play in this game. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=60566

You have to factor replacing in and stuff and newbie vs what this game is.