Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.37

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Cabd (4): xRECKONERx, Iecerint, Katsuki, Rhinox
T-Bone (4): T-Bone, EddieFenix, Cephrir, shos
Katsuki (3): Lady Lambdadelta, TierShift, notscience
xRECKONERx (1): Cabd
Cephrir (1): copper223

Not Voting (0):

Deadline for Day 1 is Thursday, April 16th, at 00:00 midnight EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 23:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
copper223	-	50
EddieFenix	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	49
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
Rhinox	-	47
shos	-	53
T-Bone	-	51
TierShift	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	52

[T-Bone]

okay i have caught up. I have been busy all afternoon and evening.


tboner I have played with you when you been both alignments and what I am not seeing here is you sinking your teeth into the game which reminds me of upick song. you kept prevaricating until I rode you and even then you were meh until finally you fake-claimed a guilty on mine and nacho's hydra which was suicide. you have done nothing and continue to nothing but will post when you are under attack and defend yourself while...doing nothing. if you are town you need to come into the thread and razzle and dazzle us cos I am just sort of wanting to lynch you at this point.

if you need an incentive here ya go!

VOTE: tbone

i am not buying the HIDING BEHIND THE DRAMAZ of copper's force replace it looks like you are just trying to come with excuses (which is your scumplay) to justify not doing a thing or scumhunt or be particularly useful in any way. shos makes some good points about you needing to be beetlejuiced into the thread in order to get involved when you cld have been doing this the whole time.

Umm what? Are we playing the same game? I'm scum by not playing to my scumplay in another game? Let's ignore the fact that this is all ridiculous. Breaking it down. The first thing you said is that in upick song contest (a game in which I was scum) I was intense and fakeclaimed a guilty on you to try and get you lynched. What does that have to do with ANYTHING? You're just throwing up words now. In what world should I be doing anything like that in THIS game? Oh and I love the 'you have done nothing and continue to do nothing" because now when I start posting I am scum for it. WHAT? Are you serious? This accusation literally means nothing because you can accuse anyone of this. Don't throw your cookie-cutter shit at me. I am unique and I demand unique reasons to scumread me. You want someone who is doing nothing? How about your buddy shos who is using the absolute WORST reasoning ever known to mafia. You should actually be ashamed when reading Shos posts in regards to my activity. I am so glad you replaced out mollie, because obviously you are not the caliber of player you pretend to be. You throw up your big manifesto against me and leave the game.

I am sick of your and shos and everyone else's shit about my activity. You are fucking calling me personally, not T-Bone, a fucking liar by saying that I am hiding behind my spotty activity. That is fucking bullshit. FUCKING BULLSHIT you see this Mollie? You are fucking calling me a liar with this shit about my activity levels and attacking my credibility as a player and a member of this site to justify your bullshit vote. Good riddance that you are gone in this game and maybe Shos can follow.

[T-Bone]

Un-fucking-vote

[TierShift]

Shos, I asked you a question. Have you ever seen something else than my town leader play?

T-bone you're the fucking worst player in this game

[T-Bone]

T-bone, stop making lame excuses and talk to me about your reads.

WHAT? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? YOU MEAN THIS POST WHERE I ALREADY FUCKING DID?

T-bone, how are your reads coming along?

I don't know how I feel about some players. So let me just throw out some thoughts for you (or someone) to comment on. I'm really annoyed at shos, but that might also be alignment-independent so I don't know about that. I'd like to get back to you and I. A couple of pages ago Copper voted you, and I didn't like the reasons he put forth...mainly that you bowed to the intense pressure I was putting on you cause you're scum and that's the real reason why you were gone. He said he was agreeing with me on my vote, while not agreeing with me on vote on you. (because I was voting you for something you did, rather than your activity) I view activity levels as alignment independent when it comes to scum reading, and I get annoyed when people do it because at best it's lazy town, and at worst it's scum coming in with an argument that can't reasonably be defended. Case in point, Shos says I'm scum for posting within 3 minutes of Ceph calling for a utility lynch on me. How does that mean anything? Would the town response been get away from the thread until people stop talking about me? The answer is no, that's actually the scum thing to do.

In that regards I took issue with Ceph's utility lynch comment in the same manner I took issue with your 'pressure Bone' comment. I don't believe in town players who don't take responsibility for their own reads, and asking 'other people' to do something is a great way for scum to post like they are scumhunting. Ceph had already stated he reads me in middle because he doesn't think I've done enough to warrant a read, so how does a utility lynch change things? If I am this lurker that has no meaningful interactions, that hasn't do anything meaningful to warrant a read, than what does my lynch accomplish? If I am scum, it's just a shot in the dark. But since I am town, when I see something like that I see a player who can go later in the game 'that mislynch meant nothing because that player didn't do anything'.

To shos credit, I expected he was gonna start pulling things out of my ISO to go 'scum confirmed' to back up his terrible line of reasoning by adding in some confirmation bias to back it up. He didn't, so despite my irritation with him he's off my lynch pool for today (unless he does it before I finish writing this post). Reck is off my lynch pool for UT related reasons. Cabd demonstrated that he can control votes of prodded players. That's really cool, but it's also alignment-independent. Despite that I feel like it's more likely a town role than a scum one. I am a little paranoid about mollie, as my experience is that she is a buddier when she's scum, and I got that vibe a bit from our interactions..though this is mostly gut. I'm also paranoid about Rhinox but I have nothing to go on there. Iece brought up dynasty warriors earlier, which made me think about his play there (we were scumbuddies), and I kinda feel like there are similarities there, but I don't know. All I remember from that game was suiciding on him which ended up giving him the town cred he needed to win the game. I don't have any other meaningful thoughts or interactions with the rest of the playerlist to have anything for you there. As for you, yeah you did that one thing I found scummy, but you haven't continued to do scummy things, so there's a plus. If we had to lynch right now I'd want it to be Ceph.

[TierShift]

If you expect anyone to be able to read posts like that, think again.

[T-Bone]

NO, I'M NOT GONNA LET SHOS AND MOLLIE PERSONALLY ATTACK MY CREDIBILITY TO JUSTIFY THEIR VOTES. THIS IS BEYOND THE GAME WHEN THEY CAN GO "BONE IS LYING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO POST WHEN HE DIDN'T POST". THAT IS A FUCKING PERSONAL ATTACK ON MY CREDIBILITY AS A PLAYER ON THIS SITE AND ITS BULLSHIT.

[T-Bone]

If you expect anyone to be able to read posts like that, think again.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME. I DISCUSSED MY READS WITH YOU YESTERDAY YOU NEVER RESPONDED, AND THEN YOU POSTED AS IF I DIDN'T GIVE YOU ANY READS.

[TierShift]

Okay I read the post and don't really get the reason for calling ceph scum. I also don't understand why you aren't pushing him.

[TierShift]

Gdi otoh I want to interact with you otoh I really don't

[T-Bone]

How the fuck am I supposed to play this game, how the fuck am I supposed to interact with you, when I try to engage you with my reads that you complete ignore it and tell everyone that I am ignoring you and not giving my reads?

How the fuck am I suppose to play when my credibility as a player is being attacked personally? How the fuck does anyone defend from "you are obviously lying about your real life constraints to strategically avoid this thread". When Copper tried to do the same to you I DEFENDED you for it. I will defend anyone for it, but I can't get the same courtesy?

[Rhinox]

tbone y u so mad?

Tell me, who should we lynch?

[T-Bone]

Like even though I was voting you and pushing the vote, I defended you from Copper when he pointed to your activity as a reason you were scum. It frustrates me and pisses me off that I have to defend myself from the same bullshit, and every time I go away for the day I gotta come back and NOPE someone else is pushing this bullshit on me instead that I have to somehow defend from. When the hell do I have time to even push my reads when I got all that coming at me from all sides?

[Rhinox]

Less defending, more telling me who we should lynch

[T-Bone]

tbone y u so mad?

Tell me, who should we lynch?

Because I am frustrated over what I actually have to defend myself from. I have to defend myself from the fucking TIMING of my post vs. Ceph, from NOT POSTING on Sunday when I had to ask the Mod to look at something, from NOT being here for whatever reason, for not faking a guilty on Mollie, for not posting reads for Tier and then being told that my reads don't matter because they aren't in a format he wants to read...Like its so fucking ridiculous

[T-Bone]

I don't even know anymore Rhinox.

[Iecerint]

I feel pretty strongly than Cabd is a good lynch at this point.

He should be the pretty clear default lynch and there are substantial attempts to push wagons on other players without a clear differentiating factor and/or whose lynch today has potential issues.

[T-Bone]

Also I am sorry for getting mad guys.

[Rhinox]

I'm very conflicted right now.

[shos]

T-boner, there's a key point you're missing in mafia I think - scum LIE ALL THE TIME. so me calling you a liar is not a personal attack and not unjustified by any means. you getting all mad CAPS LOCK LIKE THIS is easily faked and stupid and you're using it to ignore the content. And no, your post barely contains anything, considering there's a thousand posts you apparantly missed.

[shos]

Shos, I asked you a question. Have you ever seen something else than my town leader play?

I'll give you an answer in a minute. off the top of the head - you were scum against metown in Shameless, you were town against mescum in Austin Powers, and you were town with metown in Breaking Bad mafia.

you were much, MUCH more dominant as scum than as town. MUCH more active, much more than the pushes that you give here, which appear at least to be genuine.

hence townread.

Okay I read the post and don't really get the reason for calling ceph scum. I also don't understand why you aren't pushing him.

This is a good point. I get the need to unvote yourself, but why not vote your scumread? ever? at all? or give reasons for why he is scum? push? comment? Cephrir has 174(!!!) posts this game, 50(!!) more than me, who is second-top poster. of ALL THESE you cannot give me a case? I don't recall you ever pushing ceph for realz, and if you did, you never followed up on it.

hence scumread. (on top of other things..)

I feel pretty strongly than Cabd is a good lynch at this point.

He should be the pretty clear default lynch and there are substantial attempts to push wagons on other players without a clear differentiating factor and/or whose lynch today has potential issues.

Practically every lynch today of a dozen of people can be great. you want to lynch cabd only because he has already claimed? who are you SCUMREADS? who do you think will most likely yield a scumflip of, say, {Katsuki, Tbone, cabd}?

Also I am sorry for getting mad guys.

dat AtE.
omfg.

[Cephrir]

I'm very conflicted right now.

[Cabd]

I GOT A MOTHERFUCKING JOBBBBBBB YESSSSSS

Also hi I am back.

[Iecerint]

Practically every lynch today of a dozen of people can be great. you want to lynch cabd only because he has already claimed? who are you SCUMREADS? who do you think will most likely yield a scumflip of, say, {Katsuki, Tbone, cabd}?

I categorically don't want to lynch T-Bone. This is mostly based on his readthrough having been careful enough to pick on copper talking about on ongoing game.

Katsuki might flip scum, but it's not any more likely than Cabd. Katsuki being an ass is just kinda par for the course. Pushing a wagon on him given the softclaim is anti-town. So lynching Katsuki rather than Cabd seems dumb to me, since he's not any more likely to flip scum, and you have the added risk of outing the nature of his role and then lynching Cabd anyway.

Someone you didn't list at all (TierShift) is the most likely to flip scum IMO, maybe more likely than Cabd, but your point (I think it was shos at least) that TierShift is more active and dominant as scum is enough for this not to beat Cabd.

[Iecerint]

The T-Bone in this game is pretty different than the hypnotoad I remember, but I guess I haven't played with him in a long time.