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[Cerberus v666]

Also...are you seriously suggesting that I painted a target on myself for investigation, amd then killed the person who claimed they would investigate me, thus throwing suspicion on myself? Am I misunderstandinf something, or is that really what you consider a reasonable course of action?

[Drixx]

Also...are you seriously suggesting that I painted a target on myself for investigation, amd then killed the person who claimed they would investigate me, thus throwing suspicion on myself? Am I misunderstandinf something, or is that really what you consider a reasonable course of action?

This is a complete WiFoM argument and you know it Cerb. You're better than this!

[Titus]

@House, I would deliberately get myself lynched before I let you mislynch Cerb.

[Titus]

Why can't we just lynch VonFlare today and save the mid hassle of a replacement?

[BRantz]

Why can't we just lynch VonFlare today and save the mid hassle of a replacement?

I endorse this message! All aboard!

[Plotinus]

Hi deathfisaro. I wish you'd lasted longer in our last game, hardly got to know you.

and hi House! It'll be fun playing with you again.

Okay, I have at least skimmed everyone's ISOs, not every post because it's only been a few hours, just enough to form some preliminary opinion and move on, so somewhat biased towards the first hundred or so posts a person made, but hopefully as time goes by I'll get a clearer picture. My predecessor's boon vote makes a little more sense to me now -- most of the ISOs I looked through had more scumhunting, more interaction and thus seemed more protown than boon's. For townreads there's a lot of lowhanging fruit like the masons.

Spoiler: Plotinus' very preliminary reads list

TOWN
1) me
2&3)

Three

Two Prong Trouser and Toon Fighter because masons. that's good enough for now.
4) ChriVi because mason
5) House because he was scum in my last game. kidding. anyway i thought there was something about his predecessor having an accurate result about something?
6) drixx because we seem to have matching PMs and my predecessor thought that meant something and setup spec is hard so i'll just sheep ActionDan on that until I get to know drixx better.
7) lucianroy because he did that dayvig thing and killed scum

THE MIDDLE
8) deathfisaro the faction cop
9) oranje crush because the wiki says commuters are usually town aligned
10) narninian redirects kills at night. +honesty points and +scumhunting and activity
11) brantz because of that removing themself from the game during the day and being gone all night -- hard to do night kills if you're not in town. though it's 3? shot? so maybe he's mafia with a really good alibi?
12) Bbmolla because night skip thing - that's one of heck of a gambit if it is one. They're in the middle because what if it's a gambit and is really a dayskip thing instead?
13) bulbasaur the reflexive jailkeeper and i'm not sure what to make of that yet
14) Boonskiies -"town skeptical cop" - lots of fluff not much scumhunting
15) cerebrus - weird setup spec ability
16) Titus - not sure what I think of trying to create town voting blocks because I think if I were scum I'd definitely want to get into a town voting block. But I have her in the middle because I want to like her.

SCUM
17) elusive because the wiki says you're only supposed to claim town vengeful if you're scum vengeful
18) peregrienv for lurking (i don't think this is alignment indicative because apparently doing this everywhere but they've posted 26 posts so an average of 1 post every 4 pages.
19) vonflate for scummy posting and lurking. I liked Oranje's recent wall about him.

pedit:

Why can't we just lynch VonFlare today and save the mid hassle of a replacement?

VOTE: vonflare

[Cerberus v666]

Also...are you seriously suggesting that I painted a target on myself for investigation, amd then killed the person who claimed they would investigate me, thus throwing suspicion on myself? Am I misunderstandinf something, or is that really what you consider a reasonable course of action?

This is a complete WiFoM argument and you know it Cerb. You're better than this!

His entire position is absurd Drixx! Forgive me if I descend into absurdity to combat it.

[Cerberus v666]

Unvote

Decided I don't care about the night skip tonight, mainly because a skip tonight turns death into a VT. Makes it neutral utility, and I think we'll learn more from the kills immediatey after we mass claim than we would from lynching twice in a row today.

[House]

VOTE: Cerberus v666

I'll be parked here until town wises up.

[Narninian]

VOTE: Vonflare

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vonflare

[Titus]

@House, As long as Cerb is alive, he must give us results on who is in what game. That's pretty powerful when some of the flavor sets itself up.

[Toon Fighter]

Unvote

Decided I don't care about the night skip tonight, mainly because a skip tonight turns death into a VT. Makes it neutral utility, and I think we'll learn more from the kills immediatey after we mass claim than we would from lynching twice in a row today.

What if we lynch a werewolf?

[Cerberus v666]

Unvote

Decided I don't care about the night skip tonight, mainly because a skip tonight turns death into a VT. Makes it neutral utility, and I think we'll learn more from the kills immediatey after we mass claim than we would from lynching twice in a row today.

What if we lynch a werewolf?

1) it's more likely we'll lynch town than scum, much less scum of a particular flavor. 2) If that does happen, good. Death isn't a vt, and the way nks are targeted and protections are used or not used tells us more than it would if he were a VT.

[elusive]

Hi deathfisaro. I wish you'd lasted longer in our last game, hardly got to know you.

and hi House! It'll be fun playing with you again.

Okay, I have at least skimmed everyone's ISOs, not every post because it's only been a few hours, just enough to form some preliminary opinion and move on, so somewhat biased towards the first hundred or so posts a person made

, but hopefully as time goes by I'll get a clearer picture. My predecessor's boon vote makes a little more sense to me now -- most of the ISOs I looked through had more scumhunting, more interaction and thus seemed more protown than boon's. For townreads there's a lot of lowhanging fruit like the masons.

Spoiler: Plotinus' very preliminary reads list

TOWN
1) me
2&3)

Three

Two Prong Trouser and Toon Fighter because masons. that's good enough for now.
4) ChriVi because mason
5) House because he was scum in my last game. kidding. anyway i thought there was something about his predecessor having an accurate result about something?
6) drixx because we seem to have matching PMs and my predecessor thought that meant something and setup spec is hard so i'll just sheep ActionDan on that until I get to know drixx better.
7) lucianroy because he did that dayvig thing and killed scum

THE MIDDLE
8) deathfisaro the faction cop
9) oranje crush because the wiki says commuters are usually town aligned
10) narninian redirects kills at night. +honesty points and +scumhunting and activity
11) brantz because of that removing themself from the game during the day and being gone all night -- hard to do night kills if you're not in town. though it's 3? shot? so maybe he's mafia with a really good alibi?
12) Bbmolla because night skip thing - that's one of heck of a gambit if it is one. They're in the middle because what if it's a gambit and is really a dayskip thing instead?
13) bulbasaur the reflexive jailkeeper and i'm not sure what to make of that yet
14) Boonskiies -"town skeptical cop" - lots of fluff not much scumhunting
15) cerebrus - weird setup spec ability
16) Titus - not sure what I think of trying to create town voting blocks because I think if I were scum I'd definitely want to get into a town voting block. But I have her in the middle because I want to like her.

SCUM
17) elusive because the wiki says you're only supposed to claim town vengeful if you're scum vengeful
18) peregrienv for lurking (i don't think this is alignment indicative because apparently doing this everywhere but they've posted 26 posts so an average of 1 post every 4 pages.
19) vonflate for scummy posting and lurking. I liked Oranje's recent wall about him.

pedit:

Why can't we just lynch VonFlare today and save the mid hassle of a replacement?

VOTE: vonflare

You skimmed everyone's ISO in that little time? Interesting.

[ChriVi]

Why would cerb scum out himself as ChriVis neighbor? The only reason cerbscum does that, is if he's a godfather, and ChriVi is his partner. That is the ONLY scenario where it makes sense. Cerbscum doesn't know if ChriVi is town or not, given that it's multiball, so can't claim the one-way mason thing safely.

What? Of course he can. Do you really think the opposing team is going to say, "NO HE IS LYING! I'M SCUM SO HE MUST BE TOO!"?

And they're not very well going to kill him because that would demolish ChriVi's "mason" clear.

The only way to consider ChriVi as town is to kill Cerb.

CAN WE PLEASE DO THIS ALREADY?!

Yes, let's kill someone who's most likely town instead of someone who could actually be scum in order to make 1 SINGLE PERSON conftown.

How bad could you possibly be? You're so anti-town you might as well be scum. Please replace out if you can't play the game, otherwise I'm up for a House policy lynch.

[elusive]

Maybe people should stop throwing the words policy lynch around. It is a stupid pathetic and ****_**** thing. You lynch people who you suspect to be scum not for any other reason. If there were something about their play that was egregious then you ask the Mod for a replace. You don't advocate policy lynches for someone who scum reads you, that is nonsensical and bizarre and also warrants some sort of aggressive tunneling.

[ChriVi]

elusive, you should replace out with him. My win-con is to eliminate all threats to town; If House is playing against town's wincon then he needs to be lynched, simple as that.

[ChriVi]

Also, if we mass claim could we please NOT lynch BC so we can at least have protection for roles that need it? Thanks.

[ChriVi]

I doubt that we can have two BPs who are of the same alignment so one must be scum and the other could be town or maybe 3p?

Wrong. Two people made two seperate setups, and then mashed them together to make this game. Hence why there's a half-neighbor-mason team and a mason team, etc.

Similar roles become much more likely in this setup.

[ChriVi]

VOTE: Vonflare

Yay.

VOTE: Vonflare

And yeah, as long as cerb keeps giving us info on who he targetted, he can't make a nightkill if he was scum... So he'd be easily catchable later on in the game. Sooo as scum he'd be much more manageable than most scummies.

[Drixx]

elusive, you should replace out with him.

My win-con is to eliminate all threats to town

; If House is playing against town's wincon then he needs to be lynched, simple as that.

Emphasis added. I

really am

town, and my win condition reads absolutely nothing like this. That's not even an accurate paraphrase of what the town win condition says in my role PM. Nit picky perhaps but ... sometimes scum get caught by the dumbest things.

[elusive]

The weird moment when the player you are scum reading is being voted, by some people without any good reason and you start wondering.

[Cerberus v666]

At the behest of my neighbor, I am voting Vonflare. I hope you're right this time OC.

Vote: Vonflare

[elusive]

ChriVi, don't worry I wouldn't replace out because of the chipmunk noises made by some random and I'm trying hard to refrain from doing anything modkill worthy which is lucky for you. I'll ISO you tomorrow instead and discuss the merits or lack of capability evidenced by what I find there. Considering the brief interaction here, my expectations should be set low shouldn't they?