Corpse Party Mafia [WRONG END]

[Ankamius]

ZZZX why do you want to know who targeted you?

[Ankamius]

It's THAT post that makes me think he's scum trying to WIFOM to out power roles. There's very little benefit we can get from him claiming darkness (and what benefit we DO get relies on town outing that they did it, which is extremely bad for obvious reasons), so I don't understand why he would think that's a good idea as town.

[Mikazuki]

I'm still not entirely sure I even believe his darkness claim, the only reason most people are town reading him is the lufan thing and I'm still not 100% sold on that alone since just about nothing else he's done seems remotely town to me.

[Mikazuki]

Anka what do you think about Thorki? And WP now that he's back?

[ZeL1nK2]

I doubt there was some grand scum plan in claiming to be at 70% unless he's doing it for some sort of town credit (as in, I doubt he's doing it with the intent to draw out claims since, you know, it's entirely possible no town player targeted him). I can perhaps think of one alternate explanation for it if he's scum but eh.

[Ankamius]

I'm not impressed with WP's posting this game phase.

I've seen both heads of Thorki as town and my experiences show that both of them are fully capable of stepping up and trying to rally town together in a singular direction. I don't see that at all here; even when they do post content, it looks like they're content to be in the background and let the rest play itself out.

[ZeL1nK2]

Also, even if we've thrown pseudo-votes out the window because yay, anarchy, I figure I may as well keep track of the 48-hour ticks.

The next one is in:

(expired on 2015-04-15 19:00:00)

[ZeL1nK2]

I will probably vote Loki before the next tick unless I see something that changes my opinion of the game.

In the mean time, I'll probably be reading back over various points of the game.

[Ankamius]

I doubt there was some grand scum plan in claiming to be at 70% unless he's doing it for some sort of town credit (as in, I doubt he's doing it with the intent to draw out claims since, you know, it's entirely possible no town player targeted him). I can perhaps think of one alternate explanation for it if he's scum but eh.

Drawing out the day phase to try to 'figure' it out while dropping fake info about how the scumteam works is a motive; if he exaggerated his darkness level, it could still be used to draw out town power and reveal even more fake info about the scumteam. The fact that he has posted several times since day started and literally all of them related to it doesn't help his case.

The main thing I see if this is the case is that Thorki is probably town.

[ZeL1nK2]

I'm not following any of that.

[Ankamius]

What's confusing about it?

[ZeL1nK2]

Like I get why it might be useful to draw out day phase but I mean... darkness ticks aren't

that

powerful that even if he drags it out over an extra 48-hour tick (assuming enough people agree that it's a point of contention), it doesn't particularly help scum a whole bunch. If anything, it just draws attention to himself.

I also doubt he was role-fishing, because, well... It's unlikely a town player targeted him and if they did, why would they reveal it unless they thought they caused whatever happened to him?

But even if there was some deep scum plan I'm not seeing, I don't really see the link to Loki or why it would make him more likely town.

[ZeL1nK2]

To be clear, ZZZX could be scum, but the reasons you're positing are rather weak and if he is scum, it's more likely a, "hey guys, look at me, my darkness increased so I can't be scum!!" thing than any convoluted plan you've suggested.

[Ankamius]

Like I get why it might be useful to draw out day phase but I mean... darkness ticks aren't

that

powerful that even if he drags it out over an extra 48-hour tick (assuming enough people agree that it's a point of contention), it doesn't particularly help scum a whole bunch. If anything, it just draws attention to himself.

I also doubt he was role-fishing, because, well... It's unlikely a town player targeted him and if they did, why would they reveal it unless they thought they caused whatever happened to him?

But even if there was some deep scum plan I'm not seeing, I don't really see the link to Loki or why it would make him more likely town.

The darkness ticks from extending day aren't all that strong, but that extra time and attention is drawn towards something basically pointless rather than trying to figure out the game. This entire darkness level track is basically a dead end barring a claim of someone contributing towards that increase.

Going the way he has gone has two possible benefits as scum, assuming he is exaggerating his darkness level; he either throws shit onto the setup spec pile and makes it more difficult to try to figure out what scum has in the future (+adding paranoia at the same time), or he ends up drawing out a claim that only adds part of that darkness level, which focuses our attention towards useless and misleading setup spec instead of actual scumhunting.

The other issue is that I'm having a lot of trouble seeing a town player increase his darkness level like this. It doesn't make sense to me that someone town would increase ZZZX's level by 60 or whichever he claimed... yet there's no evidence that it had been done before. Skold never claimed to have had his darkness increased this much, and there's no other evidence around that someone else's darkness got raised so high on night 1. Spreading the darkness around without flipping people or only using it night 2 is a weird enough idea from town to bug me.

[ZeL1nK2]

That all kind of assumes that

(a) People think he's town (because it fails if people think it's a scum ploy)
(b) People think it's worth exploring

If no one claims to have targeted him and he targeted no one, how much further can the discussion go? "Oh, that's weird!" "Yeah!" "OK, well, whatever!"

I mean, if it was a scum strategy with some end-goal in mind, there are a few things I probably would have done differently (claimed a lesser amount, claimed I targeted someone, etc etc) so I doubt it was some well-thought-out scum ploy with a goal in mind like you're suggesting. He could be scum for simpler reasons, but the reasons you're suggesting are not good reasons to think so.

If it wasn't done with the simple intent of "I can't be scum, my darkness was increased!!" it's most likely something Loki came up with - either he's scum with ZZZX and asked them to claim that increase to make their role seem more viable or he's scum who did it to ZZZX-town as a means of proving it's possible to 70% darkness without dying or something like that.

[Witness Protection]

I'm not impressed with WP's posting this game phase.

What exactly are you not liking? Why? Shouldn't you either be showing others why I'm scum, or asking me questions that help clarify your read? It doesn't look that way to me. Rather it looks like an early attempt at a smear campaign. Can you show how your read on me progressed?

I doubt there was some grand scum plan in claiming to be at 70% unless he's doing it for some sort of town credit (as in, I doubt he's doing it with the intent to draw out claims since, you know, it's entirely possible no town player targeted him). I can perhaps think of one alternate explanation for it if he's scum but eh.

Drawing out the day phase to try to 'figure' it out while dropping fake info about how the scumteam works is a motive; if he exaggerated his darkness level, it could still be used to draw out town power and reveal even more fake info about the scumteam. The fact that he has posted several times since day started and literally all of them related to it doesn't help his case.

The main thing I see if this is the case is that Thorki is probably town.

Let me see if I got this straight. IF ZZZX is faking his 70% Darkness claim, then T&L are Town because ...???. Even if ZZZX flipped scum, how does that have anything to do with T&L's alignment? Am I missing something?

More frowns for Ank.

pedit What Zelink said. Ank's current case doesn't make sense to me.

The other issue is that I'm having a lot of trouble seeing a town player increase his darkness level like this. It doesn't make sense to me that someone town would increase ZZZX's level by 60 or whichever he claimed... yet there's no evidence that it had been done before. Skold never claimed to have had his darkness increased this much, and there's no other evidence around that someone else's darkness got raised so high on night 1. Spreading the darkness around without flipping people or only using it night 2 is a weird enough idea from town to bug me.

Now here you're going in the opposite direction of Zelink. What makes you think Town attacked ZZZX? Even if it was Town (and ZZZX is scum), what makes you think someone just didn't claim their increase Day 1, or that it's not a one shot, or an even Night ability? How does Skold (scum) never claiming a Darkness increase (he got run up pretty quickly) have anything to do with ZZZX?

A last thought on Darkness, pie doesn't list it with flips. Our only way to know Darkness levels of anyone else is if they claim it.

[Mikazuki]

Eeh... I'm gonna have to agree with Zelink on that one, seems a bit far fetched.

On the other hand; he did get a partial ability claim out of WP.

[Mikazuki]

I can't keep up with this, I'll come back later, ignore my last post.

[ZeL1nK2]

Now here you're going in the opposite direction of Zelink. What makes you think Town attacked ZZZX? Even if it was Town (and ZZZX is scum), what makes you think someone just didn't claim their increase Day 1, or that it's not a one shot, or an even Night ability? How does Skold (scum) never claiming a Darkness increase (he got run up pretty quickly) have anything to do with ZZZX?

You're misunderstanding his point.

He's saying it's unlikely a town player did that to him so it would have had to be a scum ability. So ZZZX asking for people to claim whether they targeted him makes not a lot of sense. I agree with this, sort of, but I don't think ZZZX is the sharpest bulb so I mean... Derp seems more likely than evil scum ploy.

The Skold thing is simply because he (and Shadowcat, I guess, but I don't know why he left Shadowcat out) are the only ones who aren't still alive today and could have had their darkness unexpectedly interfered with (because anyone still alive could have claimed it by now).

[ZeL1nK2]

Although I would like to know why he thought it made Loki more likely town if ZZZX is scum. Because I'm still not following that at all.

[Mikazuki]

Either way we're unlikely to get anyone owning up to it.
What is the connection between ZZZX and Thorki? I took that to mean you thought ZZZX was drawing out the day to slow the lynch but that in no way makes Thorki more town if ZZZX is scum.

[Mikazuki]

I don't see anyone really objecting to the Thorki lynch apart from themselves, let's not miss the 48 hours again guys.

[Ankamius]

Thorki is town from it because it's not a gambit that is likely to save that slot and it could easily drag ZZZX down with them. There's better gambit options than that if that's the scumteam.

VOTE: Thor and Loki since I can't guarantee I'll be here.

[Ankamius]

Be here before deadline*

[ZeL1nK2]

Hm. By the same logic, it seems an unnecessary move if ZZZX is scum and LokiBroki is town.