8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[wgeurts]

Also mollie, old games are in the past.
If you're going to attack me, attack my play so far this game.
Then judge for yourself what it's worth.

[wgeurts]

Oh, the conf-bias thing I mentioned is perfectly shown by my interaction with Metal early game.

[wgeurts]

Nacho, I'm willing to discuss Zar and Sotty.

[Metal Sonic]

i think that mollie went home to her team pt!

[wgeurts]

@Metal, are you starting to doubt your nacho read?

[Metal Sonic]

yes

[pirate mollie]

Eh ok mollie,
I'm rather terrible at actually getting myself invested into games, as happened with the Reck game. I started off fine with varsoon mafia, but lost my focus and I then screwed over the town as a result. I could of helped the town win amazingly that game, I was going for a town bloc at first, but by leaving my work unfinished and just not putting in effort lead to town loss.
My stronger points are VCA and finding strategies for PR's, sadly the second isn't valid in this setup and the first only takes effect late-game. I'm working on not conf-biasing myself, something I've caught myself doing. I'm making sure not to do so this game, as have I kept myself focused on this game.
I'm willing to get better and to learn as I know due to my inexperience I'm not as good as others here.

okay

your strengths in the varsoon game were that you only neighbourized town. <------ this is huge! it demonstrates an ability to find town.

I also had the ability to neighbourize (2 town neighbourizers, whoa) and also found town. between the 2 of us we had 5 town players I think? in a mini. that was/is a pretty good start.

where we all went wrong was not working with others. I had said in the game thread and in my hood that I wanted to add you but I felt om was a good bridge. I was kinda pissed about how you used your hood to pressure jon into day vigging kewl dog cos I was reading him as town. I was pissed that we lynched town on d1, and I felt strongarmed into doing that cos we needed a lynch and I was pissed that I got nked so early but it happens.

anyways

I don't understand this:

I used to look at a player thinking they're scum an making their posts fit their view, instead of making my view fit the posts.

cos you do know that scum cosy up to town all of the time yeah? you do also know that town will try to find town in order to sort things out yeah?

these questions are not superfluous they are kind of pertinent to my understanding of where you are coming from.

I feel like your strengths are in the intuitive category but your weaknesses lie there too. paranoia and overthinking are going to be the biggest hurdle that you will have to face.

look at motivations. fuck, look at mine. what advantage do you think I wld gain by replacing into a game as scum with a player who can read me so well? and is known for that? there is none. I am here so I can sort nacho and other players. eddie was townread by most peeps until I came into the picture. then it was like "lets lynch eddie!" and there might be a good reason for that none of which has to do with me being scum. COS I AM NOT. I think scum panicked. mebbe I am being arrogant or whatever but I am town and my team!mafia team trusts me to town the shit out of this game which wld be a shitty choice if this were actually a scumslot. we want to win as we all do not throw shit at the curb and gambit.

cld you plz talk to me about some of your reads?

[GreyICE]

I want to see you pledge that if you are wrong you will lynch four names, in the order I give them, until one flips town.

Is simple, Mollie. See, you know I'll flip town, so this pledge is your death sentence.

sure. I will play chicken with you.

the price is if you self-vote if I get lynched. cos I will flip town.

any1 worth their salt can bank on that.

See, that wasn't so hard was it? I know I can shoot the moon if you folks lynch me, so that's really all I wanted. We could learn to get along! Well, it would help if your posts were more comprehensible than the two teenage boys that were posting in the thread, or if you didn't seem to think that yelling loudly is the beginning and the end of mafia, or if you'd stop dredging up past games that don't fucking matter to insult people for no fucking reason.

Self vote for me shooting the moon. Deal.

[pirate mollie]

i think that mollie went home to her team pt!

am I gonna have to hate you again

I was responding to wguerts and trying to in a thoughtful manner

[pirate mollie]

I want to see you pledge that if you are wrong you will lynch four names, in the order I give them, until one flips town.

Is simple, Mollie. See, you know I'll flip town, so this pledge is your death sentence.

sure. I will play chicken with you.

the price is if you self-vote if I get lynched. cos I will flip town.

any1 worth their salt can bank on that.

See, that wasn't so hard was it? I know I can shoot the moon if you folks lynch me, so that's really all I wanted. We could learn to get along! Well, it would help if your posts were more comprehensible than the two teenage boys that were posting in the thread, or if you didn't seem to think that yelling loudly is the beginning and the end of mafia, or if you'd stop dredging up past games that don't fucking matter to insult people for no fucking reason.

Self vote for me shooting the moon. Deal.

I feel dirty cos I love you in this game.

but you are scum and I am town.

if you flip town then I can get lynched and town can do what I hope is a very hard reset. I am up for the challenge.

[GreyICE]

Cool. Now, you want to know what this lurker has produced since the 10th of April?

Please bring sanity, mollie.

The tenth.

Of.

April.

That's less than a word per day, what the fuck is he doing, chiseling them in stone tablets.

[pirate mollie]

Cool. Now, you want to know what this lurker has produced since the 10th of April?

Please bring sanity, mollie.

The tenth.

Of.

April.

That's less than a word per day, what the fuck is he doing, chiseling them in stone tablets.

I am giving her time.

I played with kagami where the only vote she placed was an OMGUS vote on my town lover/dance partner. she lurked most of the game and then 7 minutes to a dl she left the dance which took out the final scum.

when I say she is a sleeper I am saying she is a sleeper. I am not in a rush to lynch her.

why is your vote still on me?

[Metal Sonic]

i think that mollie went home to her team pt!

am I gonna have to hate you again

I was responding to wguerts and trying to in a thoughtful manner

I missed you MOLLIE!


mfw MOLLIE hates me

[Metal Sonic]

I think that if I love some1 too much they will begin to hate me!

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Kagami

What is this shit Nacho

Mollie's reactions have been pretty town!

[Metal Sonic]

Vote: Kagami

What is this shit Nacho

Mollie's reactions have been pretty town!

I told you so!

[Nachomamma8]

UNVOTE:
Crumpets, why must this happen during sleep?

i know ur feels...

I am not even sure what i should be doing right now..

I have saved your butt in games more times than I can count and I kind of feel like you shld help me out for once!

bulba is NOT going to ask me to replace into a scum slot and he is NOT going to trade me into another 1. you shld show a little faith do want to know why?

these are my last 4 completed town games:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=60866 - lynched town d1 scum was vigged n1 flubber gave the rotating vig to us, lynched scum d2 vigged scum n2 game over town won.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=61141 - lynched town d1, found town!wisdom, lynched scum days 2, 3 and 4 town won.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60385 - 27 players, 3 scum teams of 3 each, we only mislynched once town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60729 - 27 players, mislynched town once, town won.

there are some pretty good reasons why I think you shld listen to me! if grey flips town (he won't) you can lynch me.

hey nacho for some1 who was screeching for me to interact with them you sure aren't right now!

When 100% of the posts I have made are either directly to you or about you, I'm not really sure what else I'm doing in this situation.

[wgeurts]

Mollie, the trouble is. If you're town, I need to rethink everything.
If you're town and ICE is scum, then Nacho/ICE/Sotty/Seraphim would be the now likely scum team. Which is going in the opposite direction I'm going now.
I'm only confident in Metal Sonic, ZZZX and ABR. I'm also very confident that Nacho is likely town.
You're early replace in play reminded me of a recent game you had as a hydra which is ongoing (I'll say no more). There's also who you replaced, who reacted awfully to the recent pressure before you replaced him.

The real tipping point is GreyICE, his alignment will clarify a lot. The problem is, I think he's town.

I need to reread the whole game, once I'm done I'm coming with strong reads on all the others I'm doubting.

[Metal Sonic]

If you're town and ICE is scum, then Nacho/ICE/Sotty/Seraphim would be the now likely scum team. Which is going in the opposite direction I'm going now.

This is the way we should be going! Good job! Let me add some town credit to your balance

[wgeurts]

The best lynches for today are Nacho or ICE information wise, Eddie's slot for play.
Need to make up my mind which.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, the trouble is. If you're town, I need to rethink everything.
If you're town and ICE is scum, then Nacho/ICE/Sotty/Seraphim would be the now likely scum team. Which is going in the opposite direction I'm going now.
I'm only confident in Metal Sonic, ZZZX and ABR. I'm also very confident that Nacho is likely town.
You're early replace in play reminded me of a recent game you had as a hydra which is ongoing (I'll say no more). There's also who you replaced, who reacted awfully to the recent pressure before you replaced him.

The real tipping point is GreyICE, his alignment will clarify a lot. The problem is, I think he's town.

I need to reread the whole game, once I'm done I'm coming with strong reads on all the others I'm doubting.

ask yourself

if grey really thought kagami was scum why isn't he voting her?

[Nachomamma8]

The best lynches for today are Nacho or ICE information wise, Eddie's slot for play.
Need to make up my mind which.

I really really really don't understand your line of thinking

[wgeurts]

Now or at which point this game?
The problem is, kagami's and odd one. She's playing terriby and I have this nagging feeling she's bad town instead of scum. I expect others also have this, I know Nacho does.

[Nachomamma8]

Why does lynching a town read of yours give information? Why doesn't lynching those same people that would be scum with a town flip from one of us give that same information?

[wgeurts]

Nacho, your flip as town will give your reads a lot of strength as you've said and will give the town a clear(er) path as to what we need to do. Your flip as scum will give us a lot of info on those that resisted your lynch, interactions like that should reveal some scum.
GreyICE has had a lot of interactions with many players, as town this would make Kagami look worse. We would be able to analyse how people have reads on her, seeing if they make sense or not. If she flips scum it'll give a lot of associative tells, we'll be able to use these as well.

As for eddie, his play was awful and scummy.

Pr-edit: Nacho, as I'm not confident in most of them besides you. I'd rather lynch someone I know will give us a clearer path than lynch some weak scum read that may flip town and will give us nothing (like hoopla).