Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Titus]

Can you walk me through why TTH is town holding my hand and talking to me like I'm 5?

Like you're 5, and I'm an adult?

Alright.

Because I said so.


(What, that's what my parents did to me. No explanation, just 'because we said so'.)

THE FUCKING LISTEN TO ME. SINGER IS NOT SCUM.

Maybe I can agree with your tth read, but as long as you believe singer is scum we have nothing to talk about. I will try to discredit every single post of yours and will push for you to be lynched.

This really makes me reget pushing for you to be booned.


What is with this game when everyone

but the notorious hardheaded townie

adopts a my way or the highway approach?

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok so I don't like all of the major wagon.
This must be FFXA v2.

[Oversoul]

No one ever answered my question of why Espeonage is leading wagon
Also why was Vezok booned. That seemed not very good play and very odd coming from Fferylt from what I remember

[Titus]

Ok so I don't like all of the major wagon.
This must be FFXA v2.

No one ever answered my question of why Espeonage is leading wagon
Also why was Vezok booned. That seemed not very good play and very odd coming from Fferylt from what I remember

FFXA v2?

Espy is tied for the leading wagon because he has had a lack of scumhunting and a refusal to take stances. Under pressure, the reason he reached for was many pages back.

Vezok was booned because he was the best option out of FFery's pool.

[fferyllt]

No one ever answered my question of why Espeonage is leading wagon
Also why was Vezok booned. That seemed not very good play and very odd coming from Fferylt from what I remember

going to vote me for it?

[Untrod Tripod]

What is with this game when everyone but the notorious hardheaded townie adopts a my way or the highway approach?

hey

I'm all for cooperating

don't lump me into that bullshit

[TellTaleHeart]

You will-do list contains:

*nothing
*more nothing
*Maybe I will post a prod dodge or something.

Don't be an ass.

[TellTaleHeart]

This game would be so simple and easy for me if people in the camp pushing me had more scum than the ones defending me, but Anti's telling me that's probably not the case (the opposite, is probably more accurate). Looking back over the game and individual ISOs, I'm getting this sinking feeling he's right.

Marquis is still full of crap, regarding Post 1762. The difference between this and Spring Dance or whatever it was he flaked out of was that he has me bugging him about this game still and I'm still relying on him as a resource even though he's not a primary poster. Also, I never said you were hard scumreading DV, I said you weren't townreading him which is true and you concede is true. (Or, fine, if you want to play around with semantics and say your read is "shakey." The original point of "vezok's result shouldn't have been definitive proof of guilt" still stands and you know it.)

Other than hammer on precisely nothing and visibly getting nowhere with Titus, you've done precisely nothing despite having an impressive 119 post count. Congrats.

Also, Anti said Quickness called and it wants Feu et Vol back. I thought that was funny since you mentioned that game.

[Gammagooey]

Also why was Vezok booned. That seemed not very good play and very odd coming from Fferylt from what I remember

vezok was booned because he's obvtown and making ABSOLUTELY sure we didn't give the boon to scum was a very high priority.

[singersigner]

This game would be so simple and easy for me if people in the camp pushing me had more scum than the ones defending me, but Anti's telling me that's probably not the case (the opposite, is probably more accurate). Looking back over the game and individual ISOs, I'm getting this sinking feeling he's right.

After looking back at individual ISOs, what are your thoughts on the people pushing for your lynch versus not? What does Anti feel now that he seems to be following along with the game enough to have that opinion?

[TellTaleHeart]

He just gave the generalization that since scum already know it's a true claim at least some of them are probably going to line up on my side since that bolsters credibility once the shoe drops. (This was prompted by me ranting to him about how scummy people pushing me are.)

[Oversoul]

Also why was Vezok booned. That seemed not very good play and very odd coming from Fferylt from what I remember

vezok was booned because he's obvtown and making ABSOLUTELY sure we didn't give the boon to scum was a very high priority.

By that logic, fferylt should have gotten the boon.

[singersigner]

#660. It's the most important post in her entire ISO.

This is really weak reasoning to stubbornly call her town. In fact, from what I've heard, it's pretty easy to say that Empire would never replace into a scum slot, so while it might be used a legitimate reason to townread my slot, the fact that someone does it doesn't mean a whole lot for their alignment. It's null at best. What it does do is make you look worse for putting so much stock in that as to call her town because of it.

Preview Edit:
@TTH...I can actually understand where he's coming from with that because it's practically the same reason I feel that Bulb is attacking me for wanting you to claim. It's "the right way to react." If I were scum, I wouldn't need the claim to justify killing you.

Besides, as far as I'm concerned, you don't need to claim your sign, just the reason why you would visit DV. If your claim rings true, this isn't a death sentence on your part...unless scum use everything to target you, in which case I guess you'd really have to weigh the odds that there's either a doctor or scum will keep you alive for wifom. I suppose you could say the same without the claim, but seeing as my team doesn't believe you, this is our safest request.

Preview Edit x2:
Hito confirmed Ffery was immune from the Boon.

[fferyllt]

I can't be booned, voted or night actioned. I'm a tree stump with a shelf life.

oversoul what are your thoughts on espe?

[TellTaleHeart]

[ActionDan, Aronis, Bulbazak, GiF]

That's a pretty terrible lynch pool.

More details on this and updates:
I said it was a terrible lynch pool because it fits the profile for who scum would put in their lynchpool. There's two definite lurkers in there that's a pretty safe bet to push on: ActionDan and Aronis. They've both already demonstrated that they probably won't make much of an effort to defend themselves and no one can really justify a town read on either of them, barring role related information. GiF arguably fits into the "lurker" category too, but only in the sense that he's fairly low profile, not really making waves so far (not necessarily for lack of trying), and he's a question mark on a few other people's lists. ffery comes to mind as one of those people. This is also a pretty safe push. I refer to these as "safe pushes" simply because reasons for voting them aren't really there. Even with scum lurkers, those reasons usually exist and can be articulated, but DV hasn't really made an attempt to convincingly do so. Bulbazak, of course, has to make an appearance since DV was pushing him earlier. Even though the vote on ActionDan hasn't ever progressed past the "vanity" stage, the vote stays there even though a vote on Bulbazak (which is much more substantiated and much less neglected) would have the same impact on the overall vote count. So why is the vote on ActionDan?

tl;dr: On the surface, this lynch pool looks like a plausible team but it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny and the vote placement doesn't match real estate allocation in the DV's posts.

[fferyllt]

I should really learn to go to bed sometimes. Anyway, here's the readslist you wanted Ffery:

Town

Shadoweh
Oversoul
Mastin2
Titus
DeasVail
TellTaleHeart
GuyInFreezer
TSO
ActionDan

Null/Town

Cheetory6
Vezokpiraka

Null

Gammagooey
Marquis
Espeonage

Null/Scum

Untrod Tripod
ChannelDelibird
Aronis

Scum

Singersigner

Admittedly, the borders of these categories are a little more in flux than usual. I actually moved them back and forth several times. Reads like AD, Espeonage, and Aronis are right on those lines. Several reads are also strongly influenced by my town reads as well as my team.

You are godt tier townreading Shadoweh for her reasoning about Empire and your strongest scum read is the player she reasoned was town.

[fferyllt]

[ActionDan, Aronis, Bulbazak, GiF]

That's a pretty terrible lynch pool.

More details on this and updates:
I said it was a terrible lynch pool because it fits the profile for who scum would put in their lynchpool. There's two definite lurkers in there that's a pretty safe bet to push on: ActionDan and Aronis. They've both already demonstrated that they probably won't make much of an effort to defend themselves and no one can really justify a town read on either of them, barring role related information. GiF arguably fits into the "lurker" category too, but only in the sense that he's fairly low profile, not really making waves so far (not necessarily for lack of trying), and he's a question mark on a few other people's lists. ffery comes to mind as one of those people. This is also a pretty safe push. I refer to these as "safe pushes" simply because reasons for voting them aren't really there. Even with scum lurkers, those reasons usually exist and can be articulated, but DV hasn't really made an attempt to convincingly do so. Bulbazak, of course, has to make an appearance since DV was pushing him earlier. Even though the vote on ActionDan hasn't ever progressed past the "vanity" stage, the vote stays there even though a vote on Bulbazak (which is much more substantiated and much less neglected) would have the same impact on the overall vote count. So why is the vote on ActionDan?

tl;dr: On the surface, this lynch pool looks like a plausible team but it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny and the vote placement doesn't match real estate allocation in the DV's posts.

he

was

a question mark.

[TellTaleHeart]

Besides, as far as I'm concerned, you don't need to claim your sign, just the reason why you would visit DV.

Your team has enough experienced mafia players to figure it out and I'm shocked no one has already.

Regardless, the mod will publicly reveal what it is tomorrow and at that point, everyone will slap themselves because it's something pretty obvious that I believe everyone is over-thinking right now.

[TellTaleHeart]

@TTH...I can actually understand where he's coming from with that because it's practically the same reason I feel that Bulb is attacking me for wanting you to claim. It's "the right way to react." If I were scum, I wouldn't need the claim to justify killing you.

I actually believe Titus to be the most worrisome of the bunch, though I can't necessarily articulate why.

[singersigner]

@TTH...I can actually understand where he's coming from with that because it's practically the same reason I feel that Bulb is attacking me for wanting you to claim. It's "the right way to react." If I were scum, I wouldn't need the claim to justify killing you.

I actually believe Titus to be the most worrisome of the bunch, though I can't necessarily articulate why.

Ah, I only really remember Bulb saying something to that effect, though I wouldn't be surprised I missed it in one of her 50 THOUSAND posts.

In any case, assuming all of the PRs also have to figure out signs before actioning, there is one role we can think of. One.

@Oversoul...can you clarify Tammy's mistake with her actions one more time?

[vezokpiraka]

[ActionDan, Aronis, Bulbazak, GiF]

That's a pretty terrible lynch pool.

More details on this and updates:
GiF arguably fits into the "lurker" category too, but only in the sense that he's fairly low profile, not really making waves so far (not necessarily for lack of trying), and he's a question mark on a few other people's lists. ffery comes to mind as one of those people. This is also a pretty safe push. I refer to these as "safe pushes" simply because reasons for voting them aren't really there. Even with scum lurkers, those reasons usually exist and can be articulated, but DV hasn't really made an attempt to convincingly do so.

Can you please tell me why you think ffery is a safe push when he is confirmed town? Is no one at all reading the damn thread?

[TellTaleHeart]

Irony, thy name is vezokpiraka.
I never said ffery is a safe push. I said ffery had GiF as a question mark in her reads.

[singersigner]

That's not what she meant. GiF was a "question mark" read on Ffery's list of reads, so mimicking a confirmed town's read is essentially a safe read.

[vezokpiraka]

Irony, thy name is vezokpiraka.
I never said ffery is a safe push. I said ffery had GiF as a question mark in her reads.

Oh this makes sense. Your phrasing was weird, but I understand now.

Carry on then.

[Bulbazak]

I'm seriously considering just going ahead and full claiming since holding back really isn't really accomplishing anything and I don't really have time to respond to everything people are throwing at me, which boils down to "she isn't posting enough."

Don't.

Also why was Vezok booned.

Because Ffery said so. Other than that, I could never get a concise answer.

vezok was booned because he's obvtown

How's he obv. town? I've smashed my head against the wall trying to figure this out and asking people about it, but I've never got a satisfactory answer.

#660. It's the most important post in her entire ISO.

This is really weak reasoning to stubbornly call her town. In fact, from what I've heard, it's pretty easy to say that Empire would never replace into a scum slot, so while it might be used a legitimate reason to townread my slot, the fact that someone does it doesn't mean a whole lot for their alignment. It's null at best. What it does do is make you look worse for putting so much stock in that as to call her town because of it.

It's actually incredibly strong, but I can't go into why. It does prove that he was thinking about the action in a non-scum way.

@TTH...I can actually understand where he's coming from with that because it's practically the same reason I feel that Bulb is attacking me for wanting you to claim. It's "the right way to react." If I were scum, I wouldn't need the claim to justify killing you.

Role fishing is not "the right way to react". What kind of BS are you trying to sell us here?

You are godt tier townreading Shadoweh for her reasoning about Empire and your strongest scum read is the player she reasoned was town.

I never said that her reasoning was correct, just that the way that she arrived at those reasons proved her to be town. I can't go into everything. Nacho might get it. In fact, let me know if he does, because you'll have to be just as vague.

Also, Mollie says that you both had the same mentor. It's not a mindset I agree with, since I keep PRs in mind when I scumhunt, but I can kinda see how you can get there.