We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[House]

Have you folks stopped to think that BBM's role places him in the highly vulnerable position of allowing scum to derphammer him in the case both wagons reach anything close to L-1?

Be fucking smart about how you run that wagon up.

Please continue to whiteknight the suicide bomber.

I'll WK any-fucking-body I want to. What are you going to do, NK me?

Oh wait, y'all already did that.

[House]

Cerb had ZERO. TOWN. MOTIVATION. for outing a mod confirmed townie when they had no wagon. He simply could have said he was an informed townie that was given an innocent at the start of the game, because that's all his FAKE AS SHIT "1-way Mason" bullshit is, if he were actually town.

[House]

He's counting on your paranoia of lynching real masons to deter you from voting his fakeclaim bullshittery.

[House]

Cerb had ZERO. TOWN. MOTIVATION. for outing a mod confirmed townie when they had no wagon. He simply could have said he was an informed townie that was given an innocent at the start of the game, because that's all his FAKE AS SHIT "1-way Mason" bullshit is, if he were actually town.

^ Seriously, ChriVi didn't have one single vote, nor were they so much as being grilled.

If you let Cerb skate, WE DESERVE TO LOSE.

[Cerberus v666]

Ah man house. I really really really hope town lynches me tomorrow, since it's pretry clear scum won't shoot me with such wonderful words coming from you about me. When I see you in the dead thread, as two mod confirmed townies to each other, what shall you do?

[Cerberus v666]

Can you give us more of a readwall house, just in case you're wrong about the three you listed? Any other thoughts to share with us?

[vonflare]

bullshittery

lol

[God of Power Outlets]

Vonflare if you really want your team to have a chance of winning, you need to share with the town who you think the SK And other scum team are


You're down two men, so you could at least toss the town a bone and point us in some direction instead of hoping for fortunate night actions

[deathfisaro]

Okay so now both mafia factions have no indication that they contain werewolves, I'm strongly sticking to my setup spec, not that it would matter much when I'm dead tomorrow morning.
Berlin Mafia: Nuke from orbit - delayed NK (NK on N# happens at the end of D#+1)
Tropical Volcano Lair Mafia: incinerate
Werewolf SK: eviscerate

Also what's a Renovator? Wiki search turns up nothing.

The only issue with this is that Vyse (who is also Volcano) ended up incinerated, and we have no claimed role that can redirect a kill from a faction back to that faction (If I remember correctly Narn specifically said that he couldn't do this?) So the kill flavors are probably wrong?

Right. Actually, swithing Berlin and TVL may make more sense, honestly.

I still believe bus drivers and roleblockers are the best scum PRs to survive this investigative overloaded game to have any fighting chance.
I don't think you'd claim scum bus driver as scum bus driver.
But in the end which faction has what kill flavour doesn't matter too too much in terms of scumhunting, since we never discussed "why would Berlin shoot magua" vs "why would TVL shoot magua" nor have we questioned why Pika's buddy would shoot Vyse, etc.
vonflare's mode of entertainment seems to be trolling post-death, my mode of entertainment is setup speccing pre-death.

[God of Power Outlets]

I mean, I feel you, I've been scum in multi ball. Three times.

Hell, I've been last scum standing for my team in multiball

It's in yourbest interest to use this twilight to help town find anyone else that doesn't share your wincon so we can lynch them


Or you can just keep fucking around and trolling, I could give a shit honestly

[deathfisaro]

Vonflare if you really want your team to have a chance of winning, you need to share with the town who you think the SK And other scum team are


You're down two men, so you could at least toss the town a bone and point us in some direction instead of hoping for fortunate night actions

Yup, I'm not buying either scum faction is fewer than 3 people a piece.
3 men scumteam's wincon is to let 20+ die before 3 of them die.
2 men scumteam's wincon is to let 22+ die before 2 of them die.
You don't need to playtest it to figure out the brokenness of the latter case.

Main point: Taking names of werewolf suspects. Don't care if you're town or scum, I'll accept them.

[God of Power Outlets]

Vonflare you owe it to the town for not having the decency to make your reads clear

You owe it to your scum team for lurkaderping to the gallows


You owe this game your scum suspects, God dammit. Give us what you owe us. You have a better chance of winning if you help us find the other anti town players. Don't rely on your partner to do it for you. Tell us anything you can, you don't have to incriminate anyone.

We just want to win. Same as you do. We both want Berlin Underground and werewolf to die. Only difference is i also want volcano to die

Do the right thing. Help us help you. The enemy of your enemy isn't your friend, but in this case we can find your enemies.

[elusive]

House, are there any night results or anything at all that you want to share or reiterate?

vonflare, scumboi...why are you always so scummy? How many other people from your team are inactive brats who couldn't take the heat?

Also, did you team get any of the mafia at all?

Nuking from orbit is some sort of scum or sk day vig role? It can't be night activated or why would they choose House and why would it happen right as mafia is killed? Its happened more then once which is why Lucian needs to explain why his is one-shot. Lucian, I'm on to you.

More thoughts later tonight, but yeah re checking my ISOs of Vyse and Vonflare because those two co-defended and there might be more where that came from. If some other town could ISO the people I haven't done that would be awesome so we can narrow it down.

[God of Power Outlets]

Shit


What if it's:

1 setup with 3 scum

1 setup with 2 scumteams of two?

Ie, 2 werewolves, 2 Scum A and 3 Scum B?

There would be expectation of some sort of protection from cross kills
But is it inherently broken? Death said he thinks so but im not so sure: not with 3 daily kills plus a lynch

One of the games where I was scum in multiball, my scum team had 4 and very little power. Other team had 3 but got two kills per night because they also had a scum vig

[vonflare]

Vonflare you owe it to the town for not having the decency to make your reads clear

You owe it to your scum team for lurkaderping to the gallows


You owe this game your scum suspects, God dammit. Give us what you owe us. You have a better chance of winning if you help us find the other anti town players. Don't rely on your partner to do it for you. Tell us anything you can, you don't have to incriminate anyone.

We just want to win. Same as you do. We both want Berlin Underground and werewolf to die. Only difference is i also want volcano to die

Do the right thing. Help us help you. The enemy of your enemy isn't your friend, but in this case we can find your enemies.

I'm not giving any reads will be subject to wifom and therefore dicounted.

Also I have no reads because I've been gone from this game.

Also sorry elusive for disappointing you.

[deathfisaro]

Nuking from orbit is some sort of scum or sk day vig role? It can't be night activated or why would they choose House and why would it happen right as mafia is killed? Its happened more then once which is why Lucian needs to explain why his is one-shot. Lucian, I'm on to you.

It happens at the end of the day, today's was in the same fashion as yesterday's. It didn't happen D1, and the targets make more sense as night submissions than day submissions.
(If they wanted to kill House at the end of D3, they would have killed Ozgin at the end of D2 instead)

[deathfisaro]

Shit


What if it's:

1 setup with 3 scum

1 setup with 2 scumteams of two?

Ie, 2 werewolves, 2 Scum A and 3 Scum B?

There would be expectation of some sort of protection from cross kills
But is it inherently broken? Death said he thinks so but im not so sure: not with 3 daily kills plus a lynch

One of the games where I was scum in multiball, my scum team had 4 and very little power. Other team had 3 but got two kills per night because they also had a scum vig

2/2/2 is a bit broken IMO
3/3/1 is reasonable
3/3/1/1 is not likely because we're missing one kill flavour
3/2/2 might be more non-town favoured than 3/3/1 despite both having 7 total.
2 scum teams having different headcount never occured to me, so I never thought of this possibility. I might have more utility if this is the case.

[Titus]

Dear town:

Lynch the shit out of Cerb, BC, and if scum is still alive at that point, Drixx.

Sincerely,

Mod confirmed town

(See Cerb?

*I*

am mod confirmed town, you scum fuck)

No. Hell no. Yes Please.

Please be less of an ass. Ty. I would be more inclined to listen if you actually would have agreed to investigate these people.

[vonflare]

House, are there any night results or anything at all that you want to share or reiterate?

vonflare, scumboi...why are you always so scummy? How many other people from your team are inactive brats who couldn't take the heat?

Also, did you team get any of the mafia at all?

Nuking from orbit is some sort of scum or sk day vig role? It can't be night activated or why would they choose House and why would it happen right as mafia is killed? Its happened more then once which is why Lucian needs to explain why his is one-shot. Lucian, I'm on to you.

More thoughts later tonight, but yeah re checking my ISOs of Vyse and Vonflare because those two co-defended and there might be more where that came from. If some other town could ISO the people I haven't done that would be awesome so we can narrow it down.

I dunno if we got any mafia. I'll tell you something, and it's true, but only because I think it will help me.

I apologize if this is playing against my wincon, but I genuinely feel it will help.

I have reason to believe bulbasour commonwealth is a Serial Killer, based on Vysepresidents action N1. I'll explain more postgame, it's kind of confusing. I was going to post the whole explanation why, (I had it typed into the box and erased it), but I felt that that was toeing the line on a few rules. It was weird.

[God of Power Outlets]

Vonflare you have no reason to wifom if you're scumhunting the other teams

You have nothing to lose and only gain
I'm trying to be nice about this, so pretty please with sugar on top, who is the other fucking scums?

Pedit: if your team took a shot at him or role copped him, you can tell us without incriminating any remaining partners

[vonflare]

Vonflare you have no reason to wifom if you're scumhunting the other teams

You have nothing to lose and only gain
I'm trying to be nice about this, so pretty please with sugar on top, who is the other fucking scums?

Pedit: if your team took a shot at him or role copped him, you can tell us without incriminating any remaining partners

I don't know if posting the reason is against some rule. Maybe I should ask the mod?

[vonflare]

I feel like it's against some rule.

[God of Power Outlets]

How do you feel vyse died? Is your kill flavor incinerated?

You don't have to answer that but if your kill was redirected it might be helpful

[God of Power Outlets]

It shouldn't be unless you're going to out a scum buddy or post mod-communication

Remember from our point of view you could be lying


We're free to disregard your claim at will. If you must ask the mod tho that's fine

[God of Power Outlets]

Shit is it always this easy to get people to open up by being nice


IF it is I wasted a lot of fucking energy on this site yelling at people to drive them to an emotional response