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[SleepyKrew]

mastin's opinion only matters as much as you want it to

[SleepyKrew]

Though I'd love to hear why she thinks Boon isn't scum

[pieguyn]

I'll ask her. at the moment she just told me that she "wasn't feeling Boon as scum, for what it's worth".

[pieguyn]

(also, not hammering there and then a later Thor scumflip would've been pretty damning)

this is one of the reasons she thinks Boon is town, since Boon is known for lolquickhammering in most of his games; ergo, Boon-scum NOT hammering would be stupid. he wouldn't be able to get away with not hammering since everyone would figure it out and place him under scrutiny for it. on the other hand, Boon-town does whatever the hell he wants, so it makes more sense.

it's the opposite of Egg, who she thinks is town specifically bc he's the type of player who she thinks could get away with letting it go to a no lynch as scum.

she also thinks Boon is acting a lot like late game in Drawn on Arrival, so there's meta reasons behind it.

[SleepyKrew]

None of that was very compelling.

[Save The Dragons]

STD, I don't see how you can possibly think that as scum I'd expect town points for Thor's flip. I know you said you weren't leaning that way, but I found that bit laughable. And I think sthar actually said something similar before deadline.

A very simplified version of my stance is that you are getting town points for your behavior wrt Thor as opposed to not voting Thor and letting a no lynch occur. Ergo, if you are scum, the point is valid.

It's a pretty weak point though.

[Save The Dragons]

Maybe Pie, but probably not.

What exactly about Pie's play looks like bussing

Pie was literally like a beacon of hope for me, multiple times parting the seas and leading the way towards Thor as a valid lynch, her posts like a flaming sword to cut through the verbose, timewasting arguments to expose the scummy intent beneath for all to see.

A pie bus would have to be a long con.

[SleepyKrew]

second

[DeltaWave]

Delta, can you link to a previous example of you refusing to lynch a D1 PR claim (or a discussion in which you state that you would refuse to lynch a D1 PR claim)?

Apparently the last game I played was Event Card Mafia in April 2014, but I got replaced out due to inactivity. Before that, my last game was Jason's British Royal Family Kingmaker in Feb of 2013. So, in the past two years I've played two games not counting my current games. I really don't remember if I have any examples of that.

Thor's lynch was ultimately good but I still stand by my principle that I won't lynch a D1 PR claim (unless it is directly counterclaimed.)

Overnight I read the thread and I get the strong impression that Jason is town. I also think I was too hard on STD. He has been downgraded from Scum to Null. SK seems increasingly town. I previously said Pie is scummy but after reviewing the thread he's probably more on the null side.

Boon is way too meta-aware for my liking. I still consider him a scumspect.

I'm going to get around to some VCA at some point.

[Malakittens]

I haven't fully read up, but I will when I get home tonight. I'm about to go out to dinner.

Pie -- now you have said that Mastin is following/reading the game. Can I get an updated read on me? Mastin is probably one of the few on the site that can read me flawlessly without error. (Well maybe one or two games she's read me wrong) in regards to your team i would suggest getting her full read on me. That means she's should be reading my ISO/interactions and D1 play. I'm not sure if she's just reading the end of D1 or where she was read from and too. Between you, notty and Mara each of you hve had games that read me wrong full stop. Pie you seem to read me wrong, you ended up dayvigging last game and I think there's been another game that you were off base. Notty also misread me during that game and Mara used to be wrong at reading me. So what im saying is between your team, mastin should be the one with the moe influencal one with a read.

[SleepyKrew]

SK seems increasingly town.

Explain please.
VCA on D2 sounds like a waste of time.

[DeltaWave]

SK seems increasingly town.

Explain please.
VCA on D2 sounds like a waste of time.

Mostly your criticism of Egg and support of a Boon lynch. This all seems town motivated to me. Mostly because I'm on the same wavelength.

I really do think that strange things were afoot in those vote counts. I'll have to figure it out though.

[Malakittens]

Oh and I was trying to sort out SK last night, but my rereading didn't bring anything productive.

[Malakittens]

SK seems increasingly town.

Explain please.
VCA on D2 sounds like a waste of time.

Mostly your criticism of Egg and support of a Boon lynch. This all seems town motivated to me. Mostly because I'm on the same wavelength.

I really do think that strange things were afoot in those vote counts. I'll have to figure it out though.

One thing I have taken from trying to figure out why my game has been off lately is that thinking in this mindset is flawed. Just because someone thinks like you doesn't exactly mean scum or town etc. I was thinking that way a game or so ago and most of townreads flipped scum, there was two in the null area.

[SleepyKrew]

TIL there are people who have a higher opinion of my scum game than I do.

[pieguyn]

So what im saying is between your team, mastin should be the one with the moe influencal one with a read.

yeah, about that.

guess what mastin's read on you is? she feels preeeetty fucking strongly about it, and I agree.

[Malakittens]

So what im saying is between your team, mastin should be the one with the moe influencal one with a read.

yeah, about that.

guess what mastin's read on you is? she feels preeeetty fucking strongly about it, and I agree.

What I was asking has she read the game fully or is she just reading off of my end game of D1?

Also Pie seriously your tunnel on me pretty much all game is crap. You didn't consult with mara or Mastin when I reached out to you before, but now it's pretty clear Mastin has a read that deciding to fit your bill to a T.

[Egg]

But yeah, I noticed that about

Delta

being here but not active at deadline.

Seriously what the fuck are you talking about

Fixed

[Malakittens]

SK seems increasingly town.

Explain please.
VCA on D2 sounds like a waste of time.

I beg to differ tbh.

[SleepyKrew]

You said both of us
Why did you say both of us

PEDIT: well it shouldn't take too long to do so we can discuss the merits after he does it

[Save The Dragons]

Also Pie seriously your tunnel on me pretty much all game is crap.

Pie was tunneling you probably about as much as boon was tunneling jason

[Boonskiies]

Delta's interactions with SK seems forced. I'd be willing to vote Delta. Seems like he's trying to strengthen reads in whatever SK is, possibly trying to diverge attention from scum buddy Egg.

[Malakittens]

Also my reads currently are:

Town:
Jason, Star, pie, std, boons

Leaning town:

TH

Null:

SK, Vyse (want to hear more from)

Scum:

Delta, egg

I'm going to withhold voting Til im home and caught up with the current posts at the start of D2.

[Save The Dragons]

I'd personally like to see Delta's VCA before I go much farther with him

I am hoping it explains why he thinks myself and pie are null in the wake of Thor's flip

[Boonskiies]

jasonT1981
Save The Dragons

Malakittens
sthar8
Trojan Horse
Pieguyn

SleepyKrew

VysePresident

Deltawave
Egg

This is pretty much where I'm at right now; town to scum.