8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[ooba]

I don't see why Ooba isn't voting Nacho if he's town. Even if he's right about Nacho, falling on his sword and getting mislynched today, and Nacho gets lynched tomorrow regardless, it's just a bad plan. Doing the vengekill is stupid. MS and I are as much confirmed town as Hoopla, yet no one save wgeurts wants to sheep us because "town can be wrong". That line of thinking is incompatible with the vengekill idea.

I meant I'll be happy to be mislynched tomorrow if Nacho is scum today.

Think of it on a strike basis.
- You and MS are town who pushed Nacho. Nacho flips town. You lose your chance.
- Nacho gets his chance.
And so on.

It avoids game loss if you're totally wrong.

[Metal Sonic]

I don't see why Ooba isn't voting Nacho if he's town. Even if he's right about Nacho, falling on his sword and getting mislynched today, and Nacho gets lynched tomorrow regardless, it's just a bad plan. Doing the vengekill is stupid. MS and I are as much confirmed town as Hoopla, yet no one save wgeurts wants to sheep us because "town can be wrong". That line of thinking is incompatible with the vengekill idea.

Nice insight. The vengekill is predicated on "the guy who just died is conftown so we sheep him".

But apparently we are conftown and nobody sheeps us!


I hope that if Ooba is town, he actually legitimately read the whole game and saw how much I opposed that nonsense of a vengeful plan.

Then again if he was scum, he would only be highlighted to the pertinent and important parts that help his cause.



Thanks for pointing out this insight, ABR.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Ooba

I'm not one to snub the town block, as opposed to everybody else here it seems.

[GreyICE]

I don't see why Ooba isn't voting Nacho if he's town. Even if he's right about Nacho, falling on his sword and getting mislynched today, and Nacho gets lynched tomorrow regardless, it's just a bad plan. Doing the vengekill is stupid. MS and I are as much confirmed town as Hoopla, yet no one save wgeurts wants to sheep us because "town can be wrong". That line of thinking is incompatible with the vengekill idea.

The vengekill isn't for that reason, it's because the only hope of organizing every single town on a wagon is a single, lone statement by confirmed town.

And no, no one is as confirmed town as someone flipped by the mod.

Thank you for the Kagami statement. I understand what you mean, and... I'm not sure. It's rhetoric, but it's rhetoric that has a strong backing. Nacho-Day 1 was about what I'd expect from scum Nacho, Nacho Day 2 was... less so. And I do so genuinely hate Sotty's posts.

Frankly I have zero desire to switch a wagon onto Ooba at the 11th hour. It won't succeed if he's scum, it might succeed if he's town, and that's that. Too easy for this town to just lurk out the deadline if he's scum, it's not going to give us a scum lynch. Fuck most of them don't post anyway (it is now 46 hours since the last Kagami post, and that post contributed jack shit)

Pedit: ABR it won't work if he's scum

[ooba]

VOTE: Ooba

I'm not one to snub the town block, as opposed to everybody else here it seems.

The town bloc is just town - it can (and in this and Nacho's case, is.) be wrong.

I get my vengeful lynch tomorrow.

[Metal Sonic]

I don't see why Ooba isn't voting Nacho if he's town. Even if he's right about Nacho, falling on his sword and getting mislynched today, and Nacho gets lynched tomorrow regardless, it's just a bad plan. Doing the vengekill is stupid. MS and I are as much confirmed town as Hoopla, yet no one save wgeurts wants to sheep us because "town can be wrong". That line of thinking is incompatible with the vengekill idea.

The vengekill isn't for that reason, it's because the only hope of organizing every single town on a wagon is a single, lone statement by confirmed town.

And no, no one is as confirmed town as someone flipped by the mod.

Thank you for the Kagami statement. I understand what you mean, and... I'm not sure. It's rhetoric, but it's rhetoric that has a strong backing. Nacho-Day 1 was about what I'd expect from scum Nacho, Nacho Day 2 was... less so. And I do so genuinely hate Sotty's posts.

Frankly I have zero desire to switch a wagon onto Ooba at the 11th hour. It won't succeed if he's scum, it might succeed if he's town, and that's that. Too easy for this town to just lurk out the deadline if he's scum, it's not going to give us a scum lynch. Fuck most of them don't post anyway (it is now 46 hours since the last Kagami post, and that post contributed jack shit)

Pedit: ABR it won't work if he's scum

this post is good.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We don't need a majority to lynch, just the most votes. Lurking town doesn't matter as long as the active town sheep the town block. This will also encourage scum to sheep the town block to meld.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Ooba

I'm not one to snub the town block, as opposed to everybody else here it seems.

The town bloc is just town - it can (and in this and Nacho's case, is.) be wrong.

I get my vengeful lynch tomorrow.

No you won't. Me and Sonic will oppose any vengeful vote if you flip town. Don't front.

[Metal Sonic]

We don't need a majority to lynch, just the most votes. Lurking town doesn't matter as long as the active town sheep the town block. This will also encourage scum to sheep the town block to meld.

Correct. Plurality holds.


If our wagon is 5 or more, and idiot town are not on the counter wagon, we *should* push through.

[ooba]

Frankly I have zero desire to switch a wagon onto Ooba at the 11th hour. It won't succeed if he's scum, it might succeed if he's town, and that's that. Too easy for this town to just lurk out the deadline if he's scum, it's not going to give us a scum lynch. Fuck most of them don't post anyway (it is now 46 hours since the last Kagami post, and that post contributed jack shit)

Excellent reasoning.

^pedit: What's 'Dont front' mean?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Whether or not Ooba flips scum, my vote is on Nacho tomorrow.

[ooba]

Whether or not Ooba flips scum, my vote is on Nacho tomorrow.

Congrats - you've just lost the game for town.

If our wagon is 5 or more, and idiot town are not on the counter wagon, we *should* push through.

Two idiot scum already on the counter wagon to scum.

[ooba]

*two idiot town

[Metal Sonic]

Whether or not Ooba flips scum, my vote is on Nacho tomorrow.

Congrats - you've just lost the game for town.

If our wagon is 5 or more, and idiot town are not on the counter wagon, we *should* push through.

Two idiot scum already on the counter wagon to scum.

wrong answer.

[GreyICE]

Yeaaahh, point 2, I can't read Seraphim worth shit the man is a ham sandwich who takes pride in how terrible his play is, but no way in fuck do I want to lynch Ooba.

What the hell is wrong with a Sotty lynch I ask rhetorically.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well I can compromise on Zar.

I feel like he's scum.

Anyone want to vote Zar today?

[Metal Sonic]

no

[ZZZX]

It's not going to be a mislynch.

I love you being sure and all but you should also think about others opinions for a change too. you know we both were wrong once on hoopla

I said Hoopla had a 30% chance of being scum. We lynched her because she contributed nothing, didn't read the game, proxy'd her vote to Grey, and kept aggravating confirmed town for no reason.

My bad for misrep. There then.

[Metal Sonic]

Yeaaahh, point 2, I can't read Seraphim worth shit the man is a ham sandwich who takes pride in how terrible his play is, but no way in fuck do I want to lynch Ooba.

What the hell is wrong with a Sotty lynch I ask rhetorically.

i forgot why i didnt want to be on the sotty lynch. like I was okay with her lynch day 1.

see i learn that I should actually write down my reasoning cause i only remember conclusions and forget why! which people want.


fortunately there is this:

Sotty (4) - Nachomamma8,

GreyICE

, Ooba,

Pirate Mollie

see this wagon. there is a greyice and a mollie. supposed mortal enemies. i will not approach this place.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My reads are currently like this:

Tier 1: ABR, GreyICE, Metal Sonic
Tier 2: ZZZX, wgeurts, Nacho
Tier 3: Kagami, Sotty, ooba, mollie

Anyone in Tier 1 is not up for lynching for me, and I don't think I'll be voting anyone in tier two either today.

mollie

: have your reads changed at all since the discussion from the last couple of pages?

[Metal Sonic]

Sotty (4) - Nachomamma8,

GreyICE

, Ooba,

Pirate Mollie

see this wagon. there is a greyice and a mollie. supposed mortal enemies. i will not approach this place.

I mean, let's face it. Let me just say possibly, hypothetically, in the rare event that I am wrong. on GreyICE.

That still means that (at least) 1 person on that wagon is a sucker! Don't know who!

[ooba]

Well I can compromise on Zar.

I feel like he's scum.

Anyone want to vote Zar today?

Fuck yes. Miles ahead of Nacho. (and me obv)

The thing with Sotty is that - even in your 'Nacho is scum' scenario, Sotty has good chances of being scum buddy because of Sotty's apparent town read on Nacho.

Add:
And D1 voting shows Zar voting Sotty - so that slot might be town. Why do you oppose a sure scum flip in Sotty?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ooba do you want to lynch Grey Ice or Zar today?

[Albert B. Rampage]

ZZZY do you want to lynch GreyIce Ooba or Zar or Nacho?

[ooba]

Ooba do you want to lynch Grey Ice or Zar today?

Out of those - obviously Zar.