8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[Metal Sonic]

i really need to go. I'm 5 minutes off.


zzz

[Metal Sonic]

By meta dive, you'll actually tunnel in with a view that I'm scum.

Answer me this:

I flip town, you admit you've screwed up and I get the vengeful lynch. YES\NO?

NO.

That deal only applies to GreyICE

If these three conditions apply:
a) You're town
b) Nacho's town
c) You lynch me and ignore my vengeful instructions

expect me to single handedly tank your player ratings because you lost this game for town.

YES.

I will accept responsibility if I lost this game for town.

But I want to add another clause:

d) GreyICE's town.


Give me a lower player rating than Hoopla if that ever comes true.

Deal.

Acknowledged.

[ZZZX]

ill check here every 10-20 minutes

[pirate mollie]

you cld lynch me.

and get it speedlynched through.

I don't mind. I never did mind the little things.

wld love to give a reads list before I go tho.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Ooba

I want a Nacho lynch. I'm voting you because deadline, Seraphim's bad play, your lack of substance (all you do is try to discredit me and Sonic, same as Hoopla), and lastly, you're unwillingness to work with me and Sonic.

I need my Nacho lynch. I will have my Nacho lynch. You throwing away your life and wasting our precious time arguing with us will do nothing to change our mind about Nacho. If he's scum, then you are singlehandedly fucking this town with your close minded lack of collaboration and compromise.

Sonic and I are already compromising by voting for you. We shouldn't be. We should get at least a chance to lynch who we want, but this town has opposed us at every turn. I am not happy.

If we lose, I blame Hoopla for fucking town over and setting the tone for the rest of the game. Then, I blame Seraphim and Eddie if they are town, for putting us in a terrible position with their replacements who have zero interest in working as a team with me and Sonic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Even if Nacho flips town, that information will help guide me and Sonic onward. All your flip does is remove an obstacle to lynching Nacho if you're town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm moving my vote to Nacho and I hope the town makes the right decision.

VOTE: Nacho

[GreyICE]

Fuck it. My town read on you is enormous, and I don't have any fucking indication that I'm wrong, BS about Hoopla aside, she was posting nothing and made her own lynch. Being on this wagon is creeping me the fuck out.

Vote: Nacho

That information will guide you and sonic to voting whoever the fuck Nacho says to vote, no matter what. And if that person flips red, I'm fine with following a fucking roadmap.

[wgeurts]

Whether or not Ooba flips scum, my vote is on Nacho tomorrow.

Pr-edit:

VOTE: Nacho
Back to him again I guess.

[wgeurts]

Also I love that there was a lot of resistance to ooba, he could well actually be scum (I think he is).

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm moving my vote to Nacho and I hope the town makes the right decision.

VOTE: Nacho

Fuck it. My town read on you is enormous, and I don't have any fucking indication that I'm wrong, BS about Hoopla aside, she was posting nothing and made her own lynch. Being on this wagon is creeping me the fuck out.

Vote: Nacho

That information will guide you and sonic to voting whoever the fuck Nacho says to vote, no matter what. And if that person flips red, I'm fine with following a fucking roadmap.

Yes...YES!!!

[wgeurts]

What have you achieved?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Besides the undue burst of aggressiveness on Kagami, here's another scummy transition that I noted:

wgeurts, I would be happy as shit if you unvoted.
I'm OK with being lynched, I need time to get shit done in this game. Llamarble died in his own game, and he's the best town player on the site. Not giving him the time he needs to do his thing is a really dumb mistake.

ABR, if Nacho flips town what will you then do?

I think that flipping GreyICE would be a great idea.

You don't think that if I'm town, my reads are not worth listening to?
You don't think Nacho/Llamarble/Ffery/Thor know shit about this game?
If I flip town, you treat my words like the fucking gospel because I've been putting work into this game. I'm not fucking around, I'm not playing poorly, I'm not getting lynched because I'm playing a bad game as town. Don't let me die and then ignore what I've put in this game: don't you fucking dare make all of this useless.

Nacho, backed into a corner, held Llama up as a reason to keep him alive to get Llama's reads, who had offered some to Nacho yesterday, so we know he's following at least a little bit.

Then, as pressure moves away from Nacho, this post happens:

i'm not gonna call llamarble's help for this one, i'd rather he focus on games that need it

It never felt as though there was a genuine attempt for Llama to get involved in scumhunting in this game. More emotional appeals, flattery, and pushing wagons of players who are barely present enough to defend themselves (ie: kagami, sotty) happened, but no actual scumhunting from either Llama, ffrelyt or Thor, who all died in their games. Nacho used them as a reason to keep him alive, and he went back on that. He's literally the last person on their team, why aren't they pouring all their energy telling him their arguments? I think it's because it's advantageous for Nacho to pursue Sotty and Kagami, and independent thought from his teammates would undermine the path he's on.

[Nachomamma8]

Mollie doesn't die.
Ooba doesn't die.
ABR doesn't die.
Metal Sonic doesn't die.
ZZZX doesn't die.

[Nachomamma8]

Grey, Sotty, wgeurts, Kagami, Zar

[GreyICE]

Grey, Sotty, wgeurts, Kagami, Zar

That list is crap anyway.

If you're town put me as #1 and I'll win this game for you.

[GreyICE]

Okay, it's not that terrible. But fucking ZZZX is not town.

I know this in my heart of hearts.

[GreyICE]

Besides the undue burst of aggressiveness on Kagami, here's another scummy transition that I noted:

wgeurts, I would be happy as shit if you unvoted.
I'm OK with being lynched, I need time to get shit done in this game. Llamarble died in his own game, and he's the best town player on the site. Not giving him the time he needs to do his thing is a really dumb mistake.

ABR, if Nacho flips town what will you then do?

I think that flipping GreyICE would be a great idea.

You don't think that if I'm town, my reads are not worth listening to?
You don't think Nacho/Llamarble/Ffery/Thor know shit about this game?
If I flip town, you treat my words like the fucking gospel because I've been putting work into this game. I'm not fucking around, I'm not playing poorly, I'm not getting lynched because I'm playing a bad game as town. Don't let me die and then ignore what I've put in this game: don't you fucking dare make all of this useless.

Nacho, backed into a corner, held Llama up as a reason to keep him alive to get Llama's reads, who had offered some to Nacho yesterday, so we know he's following at least a little bit.

Then, as pressure moves away from Nacho, this post happens:

i'm not gonna call llamarble's help for this one, i'd rather he focus on games that need it

It never felt as though there was a genuine attempt for Llama to get involved in scumhunting in this game. More emotional appeals, flattery, and pushing wagons of players who are barely present enough to defend themselves (ie: kagami, sotty) happened, but no actual scumhunting from either Llama, ffrelyt or Thor, who all died in their games. Nacho used them as a reason to keep him alive, and he went back on that. He's literally the last person on their team, why aren't they pouring all their energy telling him their arguments? I think it's because it's advantageous for Nacho to pursue Sotty and Kagami, and independent thought from his teammates would undermine the path he's on.

I noted this too.

I'll tell you the sad part tomorrow, depending on the flip. It's really sad.

[Nachomamma8]

Grey, Sotty, wgeurts, Kagami, Zar

That list is crap anyway.

If you're town put me as #1 and I'll win this game for you.

You disagree with... one name on that list?

[GreyICE]

Zar and me. Although given I have a moderator note that says I'm town, I'm a tad biased about me.

Wguerts not sure I'm sold on muchly, that leaves Sotty and Kagami.

[GreyICE]

Although like.

I can read llamarble like fuck and he knows I know that.

And I miss his analysis. I also miss the fact he's involved in EXACTLY ZERO FUCKING GAMES AT THE MOMENT

[Nachomamma8]

My personal death list is:

Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar.

Are you going to follow those names when I flip town, Grey?

[GreyICE]

Wait, no I caught that fact

Pedit: Yes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mollie doesn't die.
Ooba doesn't die.
ABR doesn't die.
Metal Sonic doesn't die.
ZZZX doesn't die.

This is nonsense. You had wgeurts as solidly town. You were extremely confident Eddie was scum. Your read of Ooba, who hasn't posted anything reasoning for his suspicions, is dubious, as you also had him as scum.

i personally will not vote outside of {kagami, sotty, ooba}.
i will do everything in my power not to let {abr, mollie, zzzx, metal sonic, wgeurts} get lynched.
i'm not sure who's scum in {Grey, Zar}. whoever it is, they've played well.

Before I go, I need everyone to agree that they will follow my reads that when I'm gone. It is optimal town strategy to play popcorn lynching in this situation (two mislynches in a row in an 8:4 nightless) because our voting to power is going to go to shit when I'm gone. The lynches I want are:

Kagami --> EddieFenix --> Sotty --> Seraphim

I understand the Eddie over Sotty case is surprising and weird to most, but I'm scumreading mollie at the moment and that read takes priority over pretty much anything else (Kagami goes first because her scumflip is literally the best thing this game can get).

The townies in this game are:

ABR
ZZZX
Metal Sonic
wgeurts

---gap---

Zar
GreyICE

From this point on, you operate as a group. The best thing I can do for you is be the cement Hoopla talked about yesterday: if you have any doubts, any questions about that group, let me know and I'll get to them as soon as possible. I will not focus on defending myself as much anymore because I do believe my death can be a really good thing for town: I'm going down, but I'm going to make sure the scumteam is absolutely fucked when that hammer vote on me.

I know I'm a dramatic person. I'm sorry, I have a lot of fun when I'm playing mafia. That doesn't mean I'm being emotional about this. That doesn't mean that I'm wrong about optimal play here. Don't go "oh, nacho freaked out/nacho's a weirdo/nacho's dumb/nacho played poorly" because that's not the truth in any world. I don't get this way often about games, but this game turned out to be absolutely perfect for the things that I'm good at doing, and I'm putting in the work, I'm putting in the time, I'm doing my part for this town win.

You're making this shit up as you go. That's what people were accusing Kagami of. That's what you were accusing Kagami of. You're doing it.

Your reads make no sense. You have contradicted everything you said. You apparently poured your soul into this game and finding scum, and Seraphim's replacement changes your mind? You literally said you were scumreading mollie, now you are appealing to her? You had GreyIce as town.

GreyICE: I'm glad to play with you again, you're a fucking great player and I forgot actually how much I enjoyed playing with you when you're on your game. Don't get distracted by dumb shit, and please please please please please use my flip to its highest potential. I know you don't understand some of my play but you understand enough and you were my rock this game, so thank you for that. I'd love to play scum against you sometime in the future: I'm actually pretty proud of my improvements there and am pretty confident I'd steamroll the hell out of you

You were questioning all the accusations against Grey, but now that he's voting you, he's off your do not touch list?

I am missing the point of how Grey is so scummy in particular

Why is Grey scum?

The only thing you've been consistent about is supporting players who townread you, offering false flattery, and ingratiating yourself out of people's votes. You're good, but you're not that good that you can fool me.

[Nachomamma8]

ABR, there's no more talking other than "yes, I will follow your four reads" necessary.