Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[GuyInFreezer]

marquis you can always talk to me!

Remember that even if I don't post as much I'm skimming this game time to time!

[ChannelDelibird]

Have skimread the last few pages but not really taken it in beyond the level just above surface level due to lack of sleep and a meet cold. I should be back up to speed over the weekend.

[fferyllt]

llamarble thinks that espeonage is a perfectly reasonable lynch.

I agree.

[Espeonage]

llama is still bitter about the theater from red wine.

[Espeonage]

Let the records show that I feel my wagon is likely town driven and at least one of the people defending me is WKing. Not sure who, but it seems like a keen play to make.

[Cheetory6]

I just finished a detailed Titus ISO. I now know everything there is to know about Titus in this game. I got kind of lazy in the last 75ish posts because oh my god 3 pages is too much for it being only D1 technically. I probably won't post all my notes because believe me when I say that they're extensive and I don't want to flood the thread.
For now though, some questions for you Titus! :
i) Why did you consider GiF suboptimal as a boon choice?

ii) Given that you were vehemently hardcore against baneing, but made it clear you were just kind of going with the flow on that to not cause problems, why were you okay with baneing a townread? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to be okay with baneing only if it was on a scumread of your's?

iii) In 507 you refer to something as a reaction test. Can you walk me through what you meant here?

iv) You called TSO a townread because he was being hotheaded early on in the game, but changed your mind here:

Don't make me reconsider my townread on you.

because of this:

If I had an insta-Vig, I'd shoot Untrod Tripod for a multitude of reasons.

How is this not TSO being hotheaded and why would this go against your reason for considering him town?

v) Why are you scumreading CDB?

vi) Why in the world does ika make GiF such a strong townread to you? Can you point to literally anything which makes you feel that way? Because this read just seems out there to me and I don't understand where you're coming from on it at all.

[Cheetory6]

Also, can I get your read on Shadoweh?

[Cheetory6]

Fuck sorry one more thing. Should have formatted notes and organized things before I posted questions q.q
What reads did Alchemist have that were similar to mastin's? Can I get some specifics on that?

[fferyllt]

llama is still bitter about the theater from red wine.

Discredit? That's all you've got?

[GuyInFreezer]

Yep I changed my mind

VOTE: esp

[Espeonage]

It was intended to be a playful jab. Like it comes down entirely to what your opinion of my play is. The case as I understand it is that people don't understand my stances and thus think they come from scum. Others think the very same posts only make sense as town. Its a weird case where people are on one side or the other and its not something I can defend against.

Tbh I don't really know what to do other than try and leave stuff for people to look at after I am lynched.

[Espeonage]

So guf. Why did you change your mind now of all times?

[Titus]

@Cheetory - It is antitown for me to be direct with a few of your questions. I do not want attention on GiF but ika and I have a method of communicating. It's not perfect and not a code but we have a shared meta that expands about two years and at least three sites. So I'm not going to directly answer that unless GiF gets in trouble which will not happen IMO. I would rather be lynched than reveal that.

I think 507 was referring to Bulba's interactions with Espy and that he was oversensitive. Generally I read people by real time interactions. I need to use the word it less.

TSO's behavior started to seem more like he was emulating his hot headed nature rather than it being genuine. TSO tend to be hotheaded but not a unilateral actor IMO. Plus UT seemed pretty town at the time so it made me go wtf why doubtcast? His insistance on being booned later also was not helpful as whatever he'd do with it likely would not be good regardless of his alignment.

CDB appears to go after GiF, who I know is town. He disappears for awhile after that. It is highly unsettling in that regard but my team recommends waiting on CDB to do something beyond lurking because I will never get someone lynched based on them pushing town all and being stubborn without proof is bad.

@Singer, Stop with the discrediting. People have gone over the read. You have postured at every turn and stopped actually hunting scum. My team recommends not interacting with you to reset but I don't see how you could EVER flip anything but scum here. Zar, Empire, now you all had major issues.

As for meta, looking at personality to see aberrations is not meta. Otherwise everything is meta. Also people can have obvious meta tells. There are only a few with this.

[GuyInFreezer]

So guf. Why did you change your mind now of all times?

I happened to not like your posts now of all times.

[GuyInFreezer]

in this page*

[fferyllt]

@Cheetory - It is antitown for me to be direct with a few of your questions. I do not want attention on GiF but ika and I have a method of communicating. It's not perfect and not a code but we have a shared meta that expands about two years and at least three sites. So I'm not going to directly answer that unless GiF gets in trouble which will not happen IMO. I would rather be lynched than reveal that.

I think 507 was referring to Bulba's interactions with Espy and that he was oversensitive. Generally I read people by real time interactions. I need to use the word it less.

TSO's behavior started to seem more like he was emulating his hot headed nature rather than it being genuine. TSO tend to be hotheaded but not a unilateral actor IMO. Plus UT seemed pretty town at the time so it made me go wtf why doubtcast? His insistance on being booned later also was not helpful as whatever he'd do with it likely would not be good regardless of his alignment.

CDB appears to go after GiF, who I know is town. He disappears for awhile after that. It is highly unsettling in that regard but my team recommends waiting on CDB to do something beyond lurking because I will never get someone lynched based on them pushing town all and being stubborn without proof is bad.

@Singer, Stop with the discrediting. People have gone over the read. You have postured at every turn and stopped actually hunting scum. My team recommends not interacting with you to reset but I don't see how you could EVER flip anything but scum here. Zar, Empire, now you all had major issues.

As for meta, looking at personality to see aberrations is not meta. Otherwise everything is meta. Also people can have obvious meta tells. There are only a few with this.

it is really difficult for me to comprehend this post coming off the Uncouth-titus keyboard.

[Titus]

In Uncouth, I didn't have a team advising me on how to get scum lynched. *shrug* After uncouth, people wanted different play. My reads are still front and center but following others leads as to how to communicate with otherss. Alch really liked the way I drew a wagon to myself to force the scums to make bad plays in playing with elements.

So the fact you say I sound wierd is a

good

thing. I do not want to sound like a lunatic but someone who is sane rational and followed. Unfortunately it's still taking mountains to get my own team to listen to ME so its rather frustrating.

[Cheetory6]

Just finished trip to Toronto, and settling in. Titus you missed a few of my questions, can you make sure you get to those as well?

[Titus]

Plus Alch's lynch was painful because I could say nothing because Titus is good as scum. My team thought it would save Alch to shut me up. Aside from people liking more, I am doubting how effective the advice is.


Which did I miss?

[Cheetory6]

i) Why did you consider GiF suboptimal as a boon choice?

ii) Given that you were vehemently hardcore against baneing, but made it clear you were just kind of going with the flow on that to not cause problems, why were you okay with baneing a townread? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to be okay with baneing only if it was on a scumread of your's?

Also, can I get your read on Shadoweh?

What reads did Alchemist have that were similar to mastin's? Can I get some specifics on that?

[Titus]

One is answered as directly as I feel is right in paragpagh one.

Alchemist's thoughts should be in his post dump I did. Maybe I forgot to post it. Teammates reads generally are in area tags.

Missed the Shadoweh question. Shadoweh is town. Obvious scum singer is pushing Shadoweh. Shadoweh has been active, clear and hrlpful. She hasn't doubtcasted nor done anything particularly scummy. I would like more before obvtown but she's townie.

[Cheetory6]

And this one?

ii) Given that you were vehemently hardcore against baneing, but made it clear you were just kind of going with the flow on that to not cause problems, why were you okay with baneing a townread? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to be okay with baneing only if it was on a scumread of your's?

[Titus]

And this one?

ii) Given that you were vehemently hardcore against baneing, but made it clear you were just kind of going with the flow on that to not cause problems, why were you okay with baneing a townread? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to be okay with baneing only if it was on a scumread of your's?

Because if people had cop checks, they could check Bulba and prove me right. It wasn't a lynch and we had to bane to boon. Being stubborn would have just lead to no one but me being happy. Plus I like being proven right.

[Titus]

If it was a lynch, I would have resisted.

[Cheetory6]

But you were like super worried about baneing in the context of it being used to eventually kill people if they're town.
Why wouldn't you fight to make sure the bane is on someone who you thought was scum if you were horrendously against the idea of baneing in principle?