We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[wgeurts]

Isn't it strongman?
Get out the hydra BRO
Or quote this for me.

[wgeurts]

But yeah, agree with Elusive on lucian. Lucian's scum.

[elusive]

My win-con is worded interestingly to make me think there is some other person (or maybe group?) I could win with but I don't know for sure.

Anyway, I'm the SK or at least one of them so if we're doing this then let's speed up to the part where I get to be in the dead QT.

[elusive]

Oh and Titus, did you suspect me? I mean I wasn't mafia so that helped me be better at not being town or did you suspect? House sort of suspected but he didn't pursue it.

[wgeurts]

What's your faction name?

[Oranje Crush]

Isn't it strongman?
Get out the hydra BRO
Or quote this for me.

But yeah, agree with Elusive on lucian. Lucian's scum.

What's your faction name?

[elusive]

I don't have a faction name (I am a Werewolf Avatar of Lycanthropy). It says in my win-con though that I win when only my faction remains so I assume another SK or something but I have no clue who they are. I assumed Drixx because why would he be BP to me? But then I don't know and I thought I was going to be NKed anyway due to the vengeful claim.

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 4.02

elusive (8)

- deathfisaro, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Oranje Crush, BRantz, BBmolla, Plotinus, Boonskiies, LucianRoy

BBmolla (5)

- Narninian, Toon Fighter, Drixx, Titus

Not Voting (4)

: Three-Pronged Trouser God, PeregrineV, elusive, ChriVi

With 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-01 16:23:15).

[wgeurts]

Hammer

[God of Power Outlets]

If you're SK, you're an anti-town element and must die. I don't work with third parties.

If you're vengeful, shoot me and end my pain.

Vote: elusive

When you get to hell, tell them kuribo sent you.

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 4.03

elusive (9)

- deathfisaro, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Oranje Crush, BRantz, BBmolla, Plotinus, Boonskiies, LucianRoy, Three-Pronged Trouser God

BBmolla (5)

- Narninian, Toon Fighter, Drixx, Titus

Not Voting (3)

: PeregrineV, elusive, ChriVi

With 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-01 16:23:15).

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elusive

-

Indigo Tourmaline Werewolf Avatar of Lycanthropy

- Lynched day four.

LucianRoy

-

Town One-Shot Vengilante

- Nuked from orbit day four.

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Vote Count 5.00

Not Voting (13)

: Narninian, Toon Fighter, Oranje Crush, Plotinus, Three-Pronged Trouser God, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, ChriVi, Boonskiies, Drixx, PeregrineV, BRantz, deathfisaro, Titus, BBmolla

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-02 10:26:22).

[God of Power Outlets]

Oh look, Molla was telling the truth and night was skipped.

Hey Titus, why were you so against that again?

[God of Power Outlets]

Like, I mean, I get that you were finally down for it day 4


but we had more investigatives alive Days 1 and 2

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

you weren't going to be killed. People weren't believing our claims. I had to make sure. Your role made sense in a sense of being mafia. You aren't mafia. I don't see any possible way you are a wolf. Wolf kept you alive for a possible mislynch. You won't be getting lynched anymore.

Not really sure I agree with the target, but I understand the logic here.

Its the fact that he was looking specifically for the SK and the non cop deaths that makes it clear not all claimed cops can be town. Re death.

Hilariously Unbalanced Mafia 1. /argument.

Also, yeah, we're lynching you.

Town can't have more then two cops. One is dead and from houses flavor he was not crippled in any was as an investigator. That means one more cop is possible. I'm not sure who it is.

I was going to nk Lucian bc vyse interactions point to Lucian scum but I wasn't 100 percent sure and deadline passed.

Insinuating your slot has forgetten every time? Unless you'd like to tell us your target history.

My real role and not my fake role states that any night I make a kill I am BP.

That sounds like a faction-scum role, not an SK role.

Agreed.

Wgeurts, how hard is it to stay in your hydra?

Also, before someone DOES hammer, does anyone care to talk about where we might go next pending elusive's flip?

If Elusive flips WW SK (or just WW anything) I think that should clear death (at least, if we take boon's result as true, but I'm more apt to think he's town than not. So, from my perspective, our lynch pool is down to (Oranje, BRantz, BB, Plotinus, boon, Lucian, Narn, Drixx, Titus, PV, death pending elusive flip). Cutting out those most likely to be town based on role (Oranje, BRantz, BB) and assuming here that elusive flips as death proclaims, that narrows us down to (Plotinus, boon, Lucian, Narn, Drixx, Titus-ish, PV)

Plotinus and Drixx both leave sour tastes in my mouth (Plotinus because of AD, who had a reasonable enough explanation for the stuff around Drixx but still left a bad taste; Drixx because, well, I think that what happened D2 and his actions in the aftermath, regardless of what anyone thinks about it, has left a sour taste in more than a few people), but I'm not that convinced about lynching them. Yet.
Boon I think will be exonerated a little if elusive flips WW because that will at the very least prove death's role, and then make Boon a little more credible via his result. I still dislike how he's literally not here at all for all but a few moments in time, though.
Lucian I've just had an icky feeling about in the back of head for most of the game and I suppose I just don't want to be blindsided by going "eh, town" on him when he's actually scum this game, so.
Narn I believe may have a town role, but I'm not quite sure about yet.
Titus I have because of the outlier that she's a 3rd party role of some sort. I'm pretty sure she's not scum, just some kind of third party if she's not town.
PV because he's the last of the lurkers along with boon and I can't really place him anywhere else.

-Ivy

P-EDIT: Welp, forget Lucian , then. And I think I can cut Boon from my lynch pool.

Feel like we're down to 1/2 TVL/Berlin. Probly should look at Vyse for potential buddies (I'm not entirely sure von would be able to give anything)

BRantz should use his last shot today, and if elusive really is vengeful I suggest she shoots...well, I don't think she should shoot death, but I do think her shot should be within (narn, Drixx, Plotinus, PV). I'd include Titus but she's stumped today, so meh.

[Oranje Crush]

Isn't it strongman?
Get out the hydra BRO
Or quote this for me.

But yeah, agree with Elusive on lucian. Lucian's scum.

What's your faction name?

Hammer

[Oranje Crush]

VOTE: p5

[deathfisaro]

Wow elusive died without saying anything useful. I don't know how she hoped to win by trying to become a henchman to town.

At least the missing kill mystery is solved. Both mafia factions remain alive. The eviscerate kill flavour holding faction is gone, I can't imagine all werewolves would fail to submit night actions if SK werewolf was 2+ members.
So 3/3/1 setup looks most likely. Counting the deaths, 2 Berlin / 1 TVL / 0 werewolf remains? What's slightly annoying is how elusive was color coded, there is a small chance a beholder type 3rd party exists but I guess we'll only consider it if we kill 3+ scums but game doesn't end.
So 11 town vs 2 scumB + 1 scumV. This is like a 13 player game plus 1 extra town, doesn't that tip the balance to town favour already =P?

[deathfisaro]

Would Drixx still be BP to elusive's vengeful? Because technically...

[Drixx]

Dammit ... I didn't get a chance to revel in the fact that I was right about that slot being the SK. Dammit, I keep being right and now all of a sudden everyone is in a hurry and I don't get to gloat.

Oh look, Cerberus was indeed being honest. Oh look, that slot was the SK, just like I said. Oh look, ChiV is conftown just like I said.

Logic ... don't leave home without it.

[Drixx]

Would Drixx still be BP to elusive's vengeful? Because technically...

Technically? That was bullshit is what it was. But I'm perma-immune to werewolves so on the 0.000000001% off-chance that wasn't bullshit, she can take her best shot.

[Drixx]

Its the fact that he was looking specifically for the SK and the non cop deaths that makes it clear not all claimed cops can be town. Re death.

There's a glimmer of possible logic here. Like, if there's an SK, the SK has to kill all the scum to win, so sorting through all of the flailing, the idea that scum would have a cop to find the SK is plausible.

But yeah, agree with Elusive on lucian. Lucian's scum.

O Rly?

If Elusive flips WW SK (or just WW anything) I think that should clear death (at least, if we take boon's result as true, but I'm more apt to think he's town than not. So, from my perspective, our lynch pool is down to (Oranje, BRantz, BB, Plotinus, boon, Lucian, Narn, Drixx, Titus, PV, death pending elusive flip). Cutting out those most likely to be town based on role (Oranje, BRantz, BB) and assuming here that elusive flips as death proclaims, that narrows us down to (Plotinus, boon, Lucian, Narn, Drixx, Titus-ish, PV)

Plotinus and Drixx both leave sour tastes in my mouth (Plotinus because of AD, who had a reasonable enough explanation for the stuff around Drixx but still left a bad taste; Drixx because, well, I think that what happened D2 and his actions in the aftermath, regardless of what anyone thinks about it, has left a sour taste in more than a few people), but I'm not that convinced about lynching them. Yet.

You have a serious bias. There were two people involved in that fight day 2, and I didn't

start

it. You seem to think that I should somehow just take whatever abuse any random person wants to heap on me and just eat that shit sandwich with a smile? Would you? No ... you wouldn't ... because me talking in the 3rd person for a few days was enough to make you whinge about me every chance you get. Just get over it already. You are such a hypocrite telling me to leave it behind and get back into the game, and here you are, dragging that shit back up again to whinge about it.

Who benefits from bringing that huge cloud of distraction back up again? Scum do. I've been right about a whole bunch of other stuff, so why not about you being scum?

Seriously ... stop being a hypocrite. You were four feet up my ass because I was tired of the bullshit and just decided to have fun the way I wanted to, and you told me to move on, and I have, but you can't seem to take your own advice. Just drop it. Seriously. You just look like scum trying to drag that shit back up again.

Lucian I've just had an icky feeling about in the back of head for most of the game and I suppose I just don't want to be blindsided by going "eh, town" on him when he's actually scum this game, so.

Why do you keep talking about a confirmed dead townie as potential scum? I notice that I'm confused.

BRantz should use his last shot today, and if elusive really is vengeful I suggest she shoots...well, I don't think she should shoot death, but I do think her shot should be within (narn, Drixx, Plotinus, PV). I'd include Titus but she's stumped today, so meh.

Why do you want BRantz to use up his get out of lynch free cards today? Do you want the WiFoM of whether to target him with your nuke from orbit to be gone? Would really suck for your team if he holds that last one and outguesses you huh?

And if Elusive wasn't blowing smoke up our collective tailpipes about vengeful, it would be

very good

if she targeted me so the shot would just fizzle on my

Silver Lining

.

I'm done screwing around. If you bring the day 2 shit up (this goes for

everyone

) I'm gonna be like Wolverine with his claws out and coming after you. Just leave that shit alone. If I can completely drop it, there's no reason for any of you to kick that distraction back into the game. Especially not like Ivy here who couldn't resist a little character assassination.

[Drixx]

I realized I wasn't clear. Telling a probtown power role when to use an ability (escape from lynch or what looks like a delayed kill) that could avoid a town loss in endgame is just about the

most anti-town

thing I've seen in this game. There is no conceivable town motivation for telling such a role what to do. At this point, BRantz is playing a game within the game against the scum faction that kills at the end of the day (presumably it's a delayed night kill). Anyone telling him to use his ability shoots to the top of my suspect list.

Anyone wanna join Ivy?

VOTE: Bulbasaur Commonwealth

[deathfisaro]

The category goes from most likely to lynch to least. Player order within category bears no significance.

Lynchables

OC - what were you so afraid of that you had to constantly commute? There were so many likely NK candidates like investigative claims. Who would want to shoot a claimed commuter over claimed investigatives? Questionable. Or did you secretly un-amenisiac'd yourself?
BC - reflexive JK is still a very powerful scum role to have in this game. Can't be cleared by cop, can't be expected to be killed by scums, only way to check is a day lynch or elusive's shot (I don't think vengeful during the day would be reflexive JK'd). If vonflare was town I wouldn't put BC but that's not the case so...
PV - Funny to say I have a nullread on PV at post #5600+. I don't even remember PV joining the massclaim. Someone quote his claim if I missed it please.

Safety guaranteed

Drixx - role seems very underwhelming. SK dying early influences game balance a lot so SK was given vengeful. But SK dying creates a VT if Drixx was simply town BP to SK. A safe best worst case scenario pick

Neutral

Boonskiies - now I look back and regret opening up as soon as D4 started. If Boon cleared me before I outed elusive, I would put Boon in a comfortable town pool. Honestly didn't expect that investigation choice from such role.
Titus - Vote sharks is a good scum role. Titus' power can be seen as a more well-disguised repeatable vote shark with some drawback. But it crushes faction's win chance if LyLo falls on an odd day. Also crushes town's win chance if MyLo / LyLo falls on an odd day.

Townlean

Narninian - kill redirection choices have been improving since the seemingly counter-intuitive N1's
Plotinus - AD was meh but BP makes sense
BBmolla - Berlin having Volcano miller is a very creative idea but that crosses the boundary of this game design, and nightskip is such a anti-scum utility I don't know how scum would use it, would hurt a lot if unintentionally triggered at a key point in game

Oddball

BRantz - didn't remove himself from the game the night TVL went down to 1 player. Coincidence? D1 removal was voluntary and proactive, D2 removal was upon request IIRC, but if he is TVL he couldn't have removed himself from the game D3 due to Vyse's death overnight and vonflare lynch. If he uses the power today and one kill flavour is missing, likely TVL. If we still see 2 kill flavours, could still be Berlin. Would like to request removal today and observe tomorrow.

Mason claims

- let the scums do the work for us in confirming these two, or they will be playing a losing game at Ly/MyLo.
Toon
TPTG

Conftown

ChriVi - mod confirmed
deathfisaro - investigation confirmed, became vanilla at the beginning of D4

[deathfisaro]

Would Drixx still be BP to elusive's vengeful? Because technically...

Technically? That was bullshit is what it was. But I'm perma-immune to werewolves so on the 0.000000001% off-chance that wasn't bullshit, she can take her best shot.

In the big picture, you're immune to werewolves. But I don't know whether it's to werewolf NKs or in general werewolf kills. Only you know that.
Given the frequency of werewolf NKs happen at 1/2 of the mafia NKs, you'd be pretty underpowered to be only immune to werewolf NKs, compared to AD/Plotinus.

[ChriVi]

ChriVi:

1) Why did you claim?
b) Who did you target N3?

1) I'm conftown. Scum will already be trying to kill me ASAP, so I might as well give town more information (my role).
2) I probably missed N2, and those two selections were for N1 and N3 (I was gone for a while there if you didn't notice), though if I didn't miss N2 I probably targetted Cerb again.