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[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

lighter green or yellow?

[Plotinus]

I was aiming for lighter green but it ended up being more yellow than green. I agree that they're 99.9% green but visually it is hard to distinguish 99.9% green from 100% green. I thought I might try to help out but I'm not even sure how to tell which vote counts relevant.I guess the last one of each day is relevant for sure, and probably some of the rest (all? most?)

[Plotinus]

Vote Count 1.17

Jackel98 (13)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BBmolla,

Ozgin

,

Magua

,

Lihin

,

copper223

,

Om of the Nom

, Drixx,

Marquis

,

LucianRoy

, Oranje Crush,

VysePresident

,

Cerberus v666

PeregrineV (6)

- ActionDan,

vonflare

, Jackel98,

Pirate Ika

, deathfisaro, Narninian

Drixx (2)

-

Toon Fighter

, Boonskiies

BBmolla (1)

- ChriVi

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (1)

: Three-Pronged Trouser God

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

is this a better yellow-green?

[Plotinus]

forgot chivri sorry

Vote Count 1.17

Jackel98 (13)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BBmolla,

Ozgin

,

Magua

,

Lihin

,

copper223

,

Om of the Nom

, Drixx,

Marquis

,

LucianRoy

, Oranje Crush,

VysePresident

,

Cerberus v666

PeregrineV (6)

- ActionDan,

vonflare

, Jackel98,

Pirate Ika

, deathfisaro, Narninian

Drixx (2)

-

Toon Fighter

, Boonskiies

BBmolla (1)

-

ChriVi

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (1)

: Three-Pronged Trouser God

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

Vote Count 2.09

Lihin (13)

- Cerberus v666

,

Om of the Nom

, Boonskiies, deathfisaro, Oranje Crush, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Narninian, Drixx,

LucianRoy, ChriVi

,

VysePresident

,

Ozgin

,

Toon Fighter

Oranje Crush (2)

- BBmolla,

Three-Pronged Trouser God

Drixx (2)

- Titus

VysePresident (2)

- PeregrineV,

copper223

Cerberus v666 (1)

- Magua

Not Voting (3)

: ActionDan, vonflare, Lihin

With 23 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

[Plotinus]

Vote Count 3.16

vonflare (10)

- Oranje Crush, BRantz, Plotinus, Narninian, BBmolla,

ChriVi, Cerberus v666

, deathfisaro, Boonskiies, Bulbasaur Commonwealth

Plotinus (3)

- PeregrineV, Drixx,

Three-Pronged Trouser God

Drixx (1)

-

Toon Fighter

Oranje Crush (1)

-

vonflare

Cerberus v666 (1)

- House

BBmolla (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (2)

: elusive, LucianRoy

With 18 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-11 10:14:33).

Deadline is suspended while I search for replacements.

[deathfisaro]

Wow, Om picked a fight with the werewolf BP and voted the Seer D1. Could have seriously ruined my day if not replaced, deserves some honourable opponent cookie.

Vote Count 1.17

Jackel98 (13)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BBmolla,

Ozgin

,

Magua

,

Lihin

,

copper223

,

Om of the Nom

, Drixx,

Marquis

,

LucianRoy

, Oranje Crush,

VysePresident

,

Cerberus v666

PeregrineV (6)

- ActionDan,

vonflare

, Jackel98,

Pirate Ika

, deathfisaro, Narninian

Drixx (2)

-

Toon Fighter

, Boonskiies

BBmolla (1)

-

ChriVi

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (1)

: Three-Pronged Trouser God

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

Beats me why both TVL and Berlin were on PV wagon when Jackel was such an easy picking. Since TVL split up, can I also assume Berlin split up to dodge future VCA?
i.e. BC, BB, Drixx, OC containing one Berlin?

[BBmolla]

i.e. BC, BB, Drixx, OC containing one Berlin?

You really think I'm going to claim Volcano Miller as Berlin

or is the theory I'm a Berlin Volcano Miller

?

[BBmolla]

Can we try to split people into the two games? Might help us figure out the odd people out

[BBmolla]

VOTE: PeregrineV

[deathfisaro]

@Boon mod provided fake claims are a thing.

Yeah, like we're given fake claims by the mod but I somehow magically out elusive as werewolf correctly.
And if I'm a Berlin rolecop, I'd let vonflare live after investigating him, and on the same day I declare "vonflare is not a werewolf." I'd self vote to drive myself to L-1. (Still not sure why the wagon fell apart. I was actually looking through game queues at that point.)

Also what's funny is when Boon claimed, I said I don't buy his claim. Boon appealed that he doesn't have the experience to fake something like a Skeptic Cop, and I replied to that saying in my last vanillaless every single scum were given safe fake claims by the mod so he didn't need any experience to fake a claim like that.

We not only publicly announce our faction makeup by Boon conftowning me, but also I tell the world how both our claims are fake given my the mod.

Someone nominate me for an Oscar, I think I deserve one according to Titus.

Now kinda hoping everyone's sarcasm sensors are working =P

[deathfisaro]

i.e. BC, BB, Drixx, OC containing one Berlin?

You really think I'm going to claim Volcano Miller as Berlin

or is the theory I'm a Berlin Volcano Miller

?

BBmolla -

Berlin having Volcano miller is a very creative idea but that crosses the boundary of this game design,

and nightskip is such a anti-scum utility I don't know how scum would use it, would hurt a lot if unintentionally triggered at a key point in game

I just pooled all the non-flipped (or non-conftown) on the Jackel wagon which happened to be only 4 people. I don't believe you're Berlin. I first want to know how many people think it's likely that there's a Berlin on Jackel wagon.

After Pika flip I ruled out some people from possibly being Berlin. I don't remember who, and whether they're still alive. It might have been just Ozgin and Lucian and that doesn't help. I don't want to dig nor think much about anything until the vengeful proc.

[Plotinus]

Can we try to split people into the two games? Might help us figure out the odd people out

I'm in the simple easy to understand role name group.

[Plotinus]

easy to understand dead:

10.

Jackel98

-

Town Public Tracker

- Lynched day one.

2.

Pirate Ika

-

Berlin Undercity Mafia Modified Roleblocker

- Shot through the heart day two.

18.

LucianRoy

-

Town One-Shot Vengilante

- Nuked from orbit day four.

[/spoiler]

no clue what these roles do:

17.

Never-melt-ice

Marquis

-

Town New Kid on the Block

- Eviscerated and incinerated night one.

24.

Dani

Lihin

-

Town Double Day Foreman

- Lynched day two.

19.

Soren

Magua

-

Town Forgetful Watcher

- Nuked from orbit day two.

26.

copper223

-

Town Facebooker

- Eviscerated night two.

20.

VysePresident

-

Tropical Volcano Lair Mafia ???

- Incinerated night two.

14.

vonflare

-

Tropical Volcano Lair Mafia Renovator

- Lynched day three.

5.

Ozgin

House

-

Town Private Investigator

- Nuked from orbit day three.

15.

Cerberus v666

-

Town One-Way Mason Theologist

- Incinerated night three.

22.

Om of the Nom

elusive

-

Indigo Tourmaline Werewolf Avatar of Lycanthropy

- Lynched day four.

hmm, maybe someone other than me should do this. shouldn't the groups be approximately equal?

[deathfisaro]

Can we try to split people into the two games? Might help us figure out the odd people out

Alive player pool: Narninian, Toon Fighter, Oranje Crush, Plotinus, Three-Pronged Trouser God, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, ChriVi, Boonskiies, Drixx, PeregrineV, BRantz, deathfisaro, Titus, BBmolla

Cerberus investigation results:

dramonic game:

Toon Fighter, Three-Pronged Trouser God

nikanor game:

ChriVi

Speculations-

werewolf game:

Boonskiies, Drixx, deathfisaro, Plotinus, Narninian
Boonskiies and deathfisaro are from the same game given the striking similarities between these two roles.
Drixx and deathfisaro are from the same game given they both have werewolf related ability.
Drixx and Plotinus are non-overlapping BPs. Plotinus being BP to both mafia factions make me lean towards the creator of this role having knowledge of a werewolf BP, or a non-mafia faction in general (which now is confirmed as werewolf SK).
What use is a kill redirect that fails if redirected to the initiator of the kill if there's only 1 scum faction? That's like a Doc and Cop in one. So narninian is far better suited in this game.
Investigative, BP, investigative, BP, semi-Doc. Would you even throw in a Doc into this pile? Leaning dramonic game.

Removal theme:

Oranje Crush, BRantz
Commuter and complete removal from the game is similar in the concept that they're removed at night. This could be a result of a mod thinking about this concept, therefore created 2, or could actually be common enough theme that each created one. I'm leaning towards one creator making both.

Vote count theme:

Titus, BBmolla
Titus influences the vote count. BBmolla nightskip is influenced by the vote count. Again, could be a result of a mod thinking about putting this specific concept in, or each coming up with one. Also leaning one creator making both. I don't think Titus vote flipper thing is elusive balancing measure. elusive had other plausible winning scenarios that doesn't involve Titus at all.
Werewolf game's got the cop. Throw House into that game and they're town is supercopping. So House into a different game. The way BBmolla is worded is more closely geared towards a faction investigation, exactly like House's. So my conclusion is that this theme is nikanor's.

The

odd ones

left are Bulbasaur Commonwealth and PeregrineV.
None of the non-towns had a very negative effecting targeted night action besides simply killing. So BC doesn't have an easy placement. If I had to choose, TVL one is more likely as reflexive JKing Pika's roleblock seems a bit silly. (Who gets roleblocked in the end?)
PV I don't think we have a claim from him.

[deathfisaro]

This is my list. No details attached as this was for my own entertainment.

Spoiler: dramonic game

Mason
1.Toon Fighter
2.Three-Pronged Trouser God
Investigative
3.Boonskiies
4.deathfisaro
5.Jackel98
Protective (self)
6.Drixx
7.Plotinus
Protective (other)
8.Narninian
Removal
9.Oranje Crush
10.BRantz
Vengeful
11.elusive
Berlin / Roleblocker
12.Pika
???
Unknown
13.PV

Spoiler: Nikanor game

Neighbourhood
1.ChriVi
2.Cerberus v666
Investigative
3.House
4.Marquis
5.copper223
6.Magua
Protective (self/other)
7.BC
Double Day
8.Lihin
Vote count
9.Titus
10.BBmolla
Vengilante
11.LucianRoy
TVL
12.VysePresident
13.vonflare
???

Jackel98 / copper223 are interchangeable, PV may be interchangeable with someone on the other side. Masons and neighbourhood is somewhat interchangeable (one-way mason thing works better in the werewolf game but town is a little bit OP, having so many investigatives and protectives.)
I looked at it from balancing point of view, but Plotinus way of looking at it may be more accurate as mod's personality could show on the role names.
Regardless of my accuracy, this was fun. I don't know why I didn't do this when Cerb first claimed.

[deathfisaro]

Oh I assumed 10v3 in one game and 10v2v1 in the other game so naturally Berlin went together with werewolf. (Berlin = 1 flip in this game, TVL = 2 flips in this game)
Mixing TVL with werewolf makes the 13p game 9v3v1 and I don't know if town has any chance in that game.

[Oranje Crush]

9:3:1 is standard for mini games with SKs.

[deathfisaro]

Oh right I was assuming 3/3/1. I don't know why I changed my mind. But meh, no big difference.

[elusive]

[BRantz]

Why are we assuming that elusive was telling the truth about being vengeful?

[Narninian]

VOTE: Peregrine

lurker voting has been suprisingly successful since my return to this site.

[deathfisaro]

Why are we assuming that elusive was telling the truth about being vengeful?

Frankly I decided to check her solely based on her vengeful claim, as it will bring balance to this 26p game.
If she fakeclaimed the venge, well... That's ironic.

Now that I think about it, in the original 13p game, the werewolf SK didn't need to be vengeful.

[Drixx]

Okay, so I see a lot of setup spec gaming and some vote count posts. You experts at using setup spec and vote counts to PoE your way to victory want to walk me through how to go from that to the win?

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 5.01

PeregrineV (6)

- Oranje Crush, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Plotinus, BRantz, BBmolla, Narninian

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- Drixx

Not Voting (6)

: Toon Fighter, Three-Pronged Trouser God, ChriVi, Boonskiies, PeregrineV, deathfisaro, Titus

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-02 10:26:22).

[God of Power Outlets]

the blood thirst is getting the better of me

i'mma hammer pere exactly one hour from the time of this post


if he has a problem with that, he can actually play the fucking game and take it up with me between now and then (or twilight)