8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[ooba]

actually ooba i want to ask you something interesting.

what is your top TOWN read outside of the blok?

GreyIce - miles ahead top town for me.

another guy other than grey btw?

Wgeurts - The 'If nacho town, then kagami' lynch
ZZZX - for reactions yesterday and the random 'What about Kagami guys?'

All of the above are town.

[ZZZX]

I am a Daycop. I have a guilty result on Sotty7. Please commence lynching of Sotty7.

VOTE: Sotty7

GreyICE, I've heard of you. They all talk about how you are a good scumhunter. Well, this is me experiencing it for myself.

just went to check first few pages and this is iconic LOL

[wgeurts]

Ooba please explain the MS, I'm interested.
However please vote grey, we're following a plan and if grey flips town then we can look into wagoning MS or Zar.
The last scum are in Zar/Grey/Mollie/ABR in order of likelyhood.

[ZZZX]

wait i have a briliient idea

let me check something.

[ooba]

Got this interaction from Metal's ISO - does this really look like Kagami-scum talking about GreyIce-scum buddy?

I'm reading Sotty as town because GreyIce wants to lynch him?

GreyIce was Kagami's crutch. She literally talked about nothing else D1 to avoid talking about others. [Exactly - like her lynch day]

Kagami, got anything to say that's especially interesting? Why are you into the vengeful thing?

Because sotty is going to flip town, and it will make this game infinitely simply when day 2 begins with a theory discussion between greyICE and hoopla about why it's important to follow our hearts and how we shouldn't let dead townies tell us what to do.

Why do you think sotty will flip town?

In large part because greyICE wants to lynch him.

Why do you think he's scum, and why do you think grey is town?

I read that, serephim. It's not compelling. I agree that sotty's play isn't amazing, but I've seen far worse from town being tunneled into the ground.

GI's posting is bizarrely inconsistent, which is ironic given he says the same of sotty. The best point he makes is the token thing.

He complains that sotty is willing to town block with players who haven't even posted against, pointing to a list that is probably just people sotty likes/has played with before. Later hoopla shows up later saying she'll sheep GI and ABR and just gamble that they're town. Hoopla gets a solid town for that because hoopla understands the need to town-block.

He should have had hoopla as town at 114, given his suspicion of sotty. Instead, there are sprinkles of "hoopla might be scum" in the token conversation and hoopla's opening is "deliberately uninteresting." He decides hoopla is town at 272 for whatever reason. I asked him about it, and apparently GI doesn't do pre-flip associations. Meanwhile, Eddie is revving a chainsaw in 258.

sotty is apparently pathetic and the worst liar ever. And is a legendary scum player in the next post.

There are other little things too. I don't believe town greyICE would ever utter "scum caught for the wrong reasons." He's just too smart to believe that. 277 is another ridiculous thing I don't think town-GI would say. "One of my townreads is scum" reads as "I'll have to 180 on one of my townreads once my scumreads are all dead."

And yes, a lot of this oddly revolves around a greyice-hoopla interaction. I think they're scum together. The early hoopla-scum sprinkles might indicate town-hoopla, but it looks like it was just distancing that grey decided not to bother with since he inexplicably has a townread from everyone.

So on to that townread. Why is greyICE town, seraphim?

[ZZZX]

Do you have any thoughts that happened during your enormous lurk-fest?

You are using this "wagon" on me as an excuse to avoid everything else that happens in this game. You get to be a

Tabula Rasa

by tunneling. Is your plan to hope to get out of it on day 2? Or just salvage the SilverWolf slot by pushing one town lynch before you go down, and leave the least information possible in your ISO?

Who is town, Kagami? Who is scum? Do you have a town read on Seraphim? I know you have one on Sotty because "I voted for her" which is hilarious in and of itself.

Scum

GreyICE (TBD)
Hoopla (Confectionery Animals)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
Nachomamma8 (Gestalt)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

EddieFenix (The Leftovers)
Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)
Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)

Town


Now it's your turn.

GreyICE (TBD)

Hoopla (Confectionery Animals)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)

Nachomamma8 (Gestalt)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

EddieFenix (The Leftovers)
Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)

Sotty7 (The Kliq)

Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)

lets look at this.

random read list can contain a lot of info,

there is a scum in sera/eddie for sure. (ooba and mollie) if this is as i expect.

I doubt kagami would be scum reading a scum buddy as a main scum read in readlist.

[ooba]

Ooba please explain the MS, I'm interested.
However please vote grey, we're following a plan and if grey flips town then we can look into wagoning MS or Zar.
The last scum are in Zar/Grey/Mollie/ABR in order of likelyhood.

This time you're asking me to vote a very strong town read vs what is an obvious scum read.

Let me post that MS case and let's see what you think of it first.

[ZZZX]

ICE is scum, sotty will request a venge on him. He will try to wiggle out. We'll lynch him and his team will be painfully obvious from the events of today.

You of all people should be happy about that, eddie.

If we're lynching sotty, I want greyICE dead tomorrow on a town-flip.

If we agree on this, I'll even bring the rope to the hanging tree. Yes, I get that ABR is a maverick, but I want some recognition that this should be a thing from everyone else.

Sadly, I don't actually believe anyone is going to let sotty dictate the lynch. I don't think that will happen even if we get to 6:4 (which is pretty much identical to 7:4 in terms of town-needed-to-be-dumb), because the greyICE-hoopla theory chat was probably just soft-distancing.

It legitimately is not a bad idea, though, and despite MS's statement to the contrary, mislynched town often have the best reads. That's usually why they're mislynched.

Kagami is suddenly absolutely convinced I'm scum, but willing to hang Sotty first, because he likes my points on tokens.

Nope, but nice try. Sotty is town, you are not. The reason I'm ok with lynching sotty is that there's otherwise zero chance in this gamestate of lynching you, the actual scum. For strange cosmic reasons, a lot of people think you're town and they simply can't all be partners. Once you're lynched, your team has no prayer. As you correctly stated, this setup is a snowball-fest.

And please point me to when I "suddenly" became convinced, because I had you as scum on my first read through.

GreyICE is scum.

Grey wants to lynch sotty. GreyICE pulls back when confronted with actual repercussions on a town-flip. That makes sotty 907% town.

Grey wants to townblock with hoopla, like, really wants to. For no reason. Then he's called on it. Now hoopla is maybe, kinda, not town, but definitely not someone he wants to lynch. Hoopla is a buddy.

Reread the game fresh with a greyice-hoopla scum perspective. It's magical how much things make sense.

I haven't "cleared" anyone, except maybe ABR and sotty after a GI scumflip. While I recognize it to be an unpopular opinion, "townblocking" is stupid. A vengeful strat has a wildly higher EV

That was back at 291 and can't possibly be confused as a vote associated with

"Seraphim is the one who intercepts, asks for why, and I oblige. This is where scum-seraphim votes kagami; it's a perfect alternative wagon for divided votes that ensures town lynches stay in the lead. I don't think I had votes at the time, but had plenty of negative sentiment, which is the juciest jump of all. He doesn't, and I see no scum motivation to change direction on GI regardless of grey's alignment. (I didn't really think of it in such depth initially, but it's worth being out there)"

This is a paragraph about seraphim being town. Not scum.

Collection of interesting quotes of kagami

will check sotty now.

[ZZZX]

I will not lynch: ABR, wgeurts, GreyICE,

Kagami

I am willing to lynch:

Nacho, ZZZX

, Zar
I want to lynch: Metal, Mollie, Ooba

hmmm....

[ooba]

Who's replacing out. Sotty is town and apart of our ideal town block (MS, Kagami, ZZZX, Zar, and Myself).

Lol

[ZZZX]

Votecount 1.4

Sotty7 (3) - GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
Metal Sonic (3) - Zar, Seraphim, wgeurts

Kagami (3)

-

Nachomamma8

,

Hoopla

,

ZZZX

GreyICE (2) -

Sotty7

, EddieFenix
wgeurts (1) -

Kagami

Not Voting (0):

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.6

Sotty7

(3) -

Nachomamma8

, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE
Seraphim (2) - Metal Sonic,

Sotty7

Kagami

(2) - wgeurts,

ZZZX

GreyICE (2) - EddieFenix,

Kagami

EddieFenix (1) -

Hoopla

Hoopla (1)

- Seraphim

Not Voting (1) - Zar

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.7

Seraphim (4) - Metal Sonic, Sotty7, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE

Kagami (3)

- wgeurts,

ZZZX, Nachomamma8

GreyICE (2) - EddieFenix,

Kagami

EddieFenix (1) -

Hoopla

Hoopla (1)

- Seraphim

Not Voting (1) - Zar

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.11

Kagami (4)

- wgeurts,

ZZZX, Nachomamma8

, GreyICE

Hoopla (2)

- Seraphim, Metal Sonic
GreyICE (2) -

Kagami

, EddieFenix

Sotty7 (1)

- Albert B. Rampage
Seraphim (1) - Sotty7
EddieFenix (1) -

Hoopla

Not Voting (1) - Zar

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.13

Hoopla

(7) - Seraphim, Metal Sonic, EddieFenix,

Kagami

,

ZZZX

, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE
Kagami (3) -

Nachomamma8

, wgeurts,

Hoopla

Sotty7 (1)

- Zar
Seraphim (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

A lynch has been reached.

Hoopla was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Votecount 2.1

Nachomamma8

(2) - Albert B. Rampage,

ZZZX

Kagami (1)

- GreyICE

Not Voting (8) - EddieFenix, Kagami, Metal Sonic, Nachomamma8, Seraphim, Sotty7, wgeurts, Zar

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.2

Kagami (4) - GreyICE,

Nachomamma8

, Zar, wgeurts

Nachomamma8 (2)

- Albert B. Rampage,

ZZZX

GreyICE (1) - Metal Sonic
Seraphim (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - EddieFenix, Kagami, Seraphim

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.3

Kagami (4) - GreyICE,

Nachomamma8

, Zar, wgeurts

Nachomamma8

(2) - Albert B. Rampage,

ZZZX

GreyICE (1) - Metal Sonic
Seraphim (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - EddieFenix, Kagami, Seraphim

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

GreyICE is V/LA through 4/11.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).[/color][/b]

Votecount 2.7

Nachomamma8 (4) - Albert B. Rampage,

ZZZX

, Metal Sonic, wgeurts

Kagami (3)

- GreyICE,

Nachomamma8

, Zar
Seraphim (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - EddieFenix, Kagami, Seraphim

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.9

Nachomamma8 (3) - wgeurts, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
EddieFenix (3) -

Nachomamma8

, GreyICE,

Sotty7

Kagami (2)

- Zar,

ZZZX

GreyICE (1) - EddieFenix

Not Voting (2) - Kagami, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.14

Kagami

(4) - Zar,

ZZZX, Nachomamma8

, GreyICE
Pirate Mollie (2) -

Sotty7

, wgeurts
GreyICE (2) - Pirate Mollie, Metal Sonic

Nachomamma8 (1)

- Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (2) - Kagami, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

*ahem*

CALM THE FUCK DOWN. IT IS A GAME.

That will be all.

Votecount 2.15

Kagami (4) - Zar,

ZZZX, Nachomamma8

, GreyICE
Pirate Mollie (2) -

Sotty7

, wgeurts
Nachomamma8 (2) - Albert B. Rampage, Metal Sonic
GreyICE (1) - Pirate Mollie

Not Voting (2) - Kagami, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

VOTECOUNT 3.1

Sotty7

(5) - GreyICE, Pirate Mollie, Ooba, wgeurts, Metal Sonic

Kagami

(1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (4) - Kagami, Sotty7, Zar, ZZZX

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/27 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-27 18:00:00).

[/quote]

p-edit: yup

[ZZZX]

notes:

- Metal/Eddie(mollie)/Sera(ooba)/Sotty were never on the kagami wagon

- Grey's voting patterns are almost always 100% town

- Wge is the same somewhat.

Sorry nacho but this is getting interesting...

So both my town reads of mollie and metal are crumbling atm....

UNVOTE:

[ZZZX]

anyway its 2:00 AM so dont you fucking dare lynch anyone until I am back

[ooba]

So both my town reads of mollie and metal are crumbling atm....

Welcome to the light my friend!!

[ZZZX]

So both my town reads of mollie and metal are crumbling atm....

Welcome to the light my friend!!

I still dont find you too towny btw but if anything i am seeing you better at this moment.

[ooba]

This talking\interacting thing is great. I literally stumbled upon this because we had this chat.

I wanted to point how literally impossible a Kagami scum grouping was to you.

Then
- I actually got a group
- I actually got a wiggle it might be right
- Then confirmation!!!

Spoiler:

Kagami is flipping town.

- D2: I wanted to lynch Sotty when Nacho was the play
- D4: I want to present my lynch choices when Kagami is the play
See any similarities?

You WILL GODDAMN WAIT AND LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

See the differance is this:
while nacho was obvtown and very contenful kagami was not and a lurksack + the "follow the plan" is in motion so that affects the situation too.
Thus your analysis is misguided.

We're past the point where isolated scum tells such 'Kagami is a lurksack' is valid reasons enough to push for a lynch.

You have a scum flip. You now have proved scum-??? interactions. You analyse them - you find scum and you lynch.

When pushing for a lynch - you now have to keep asking yourself 'Who the hell is scum with this person. So Sotty + Kagami + ??? + ??? - those other two'

Ok - you say GreyIce as a possible third? You analyse 'GreyIce' ~ 'Sotty' interactions. You'll come with the feeling that "HEY - THATS NOT A BUS" - and you'll know Grey is town.

So Grey is town? Who else can it be?
- wgeurts: Improbable because he had already made comments to the tune of 'Hey if nacho flips town lynch Kagami' on D2. Not going to do that with a scum partner.
- ZZZX: "Hey Guys what about Kagami?" on D2 and the pace of voting now - impossible to be a scum partner
- ABR with his instant vote on Kagami D3? - Nope
- Zar voted Kagami D2 when bussing was the best and far superior option. - Nope
- ooba? My first entry of the game was "Nacho-Ice sure town. One of Sotty\Kagami def scum" -> Really a double bus first post? Nope

That leaves MS and mollie. I can't remember anything from memory that particularly counters these pairings.

So could be {Sotty, Kagami, MS, mollie} - literally the only pairing that makes sense with Kagami scum. But when you have a town lean on mollie - but a 'at least I townread this slot before; I shouldn't question my early town reads' on MS - you realise even that is kinda not probable.

Hence your initial assumption was wrong. The building comes crumbling down - and only one thought survives the chaos that ensues. 'Kagami is town' and you are pretty certain of it.

[ZZZX]

Read list after my mind got fked:
Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Ooba, Pirate Mollie, wgeurts, Zar,

Towniest to less townie:V
ZZZX
ABR
Wgeurts
Metal
GreyIce
Mollie
Ooba
Zar

[GreyICE]

I'm town.

ABR is scum.

Give me 48 hours.

[ooba]

I'm town.

ABR is scum.

Give me 48 hours.

I can see where you're coming from.

Do me a favor and help me with his D3 Kagami vote? Why really prefer Kagami to sotty there? That's why I'm town reading him currently.

Also let me know what you think about MS. Read after when Nacho builds his list.

[ooba]

So Nach do you prefer Sotty or Kagami lynch tomorrow?

Also here - why even ask for a preference amongst two scum buddies?

[ooba]

Ok. The case against MS is based on two things
a) First his voting when scum wagons were a good alternative
b) His reaction to Nachos list.

a)

Wagoning and Defense of scum

Spoiler:

D1 softy push

- Voted sotty but immediately afterwards
- #599: "I am going to state that I would prefer Hoopla or Seraphim dead today rather than Sotty."

D1 Kagami push when Hoopla was a counterwagon

- First calls all the votes on the Kagami push “fucking scum theatre”
- Vezo suddenly comes out to say “Was Kagami in organic chemistry? I don't remember her. Vezokpiraka would like to say that he has Kagami as town because of orgo chem”

#991
Defending sotty against GreyIce’s “If Sotty returned for a last hurrah, it's very easy to think that she would select scum for it. “

D2 Kagami push when Nacho’s also on the block

“nacho wagon magically off the hook.

i dont like the smell of this. i think that kagami is mislynch bait.”

Followed by tons of defense

Our wagons today never went above 4.

Meanwhile troll wagon on kagami hits 4 every since time

Want to make a deal on it?
I'll vote whoever you wish for two days if greyICE/Nacho both flip town?

There's no way I'm for voting or lynching either of these two players. We need scum flips faster. Want to make a reverse deal?

Lynch Sotty today. Should flip scum. If not, lynch Kagami tomorrow. If both flip town, you have my vote for the rest of the game - including a self vote on me.

If both flip town... There won't be a game to play

What is this dude?

Guys what about kagami?

@Gray/Metal what do you think about kagami?

Focus.

The nacho group ran over to Kagami too right just now.

You should come to ooba.

b)

Nacho's list reactions

Nacho's death list had two scum at the start of the list. Now I re-read ZZZX's reaction and it was painfully calm - didn't act like how a scum dude would react to two scum buddies heading the list. Now just see MS's reaction:

Spoiler:

My personal death list is:

Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar.

Are you going to follow those names when I flip town, Grey?

Step 1: Ignore Nacho directions - set up a grey mislynch.

I really want to be lynched guys.

Not happening. You just town cleared yourself and we're about to lynch your scumread Nacho.

can we then lynch grey?

cos that is what my team terribly wants.

Yes. Grey after nacho

#2205: Nacho specifically quotes MS above post and says “No. Follow the plan.”

#2207: MS specifically asks about the “Did you discard page 56 plan cause that one was actually the plan I was going to follow! I think you know that I dislike dynamic plans!”

Then there’s the Kagami hammer and even more defense of the slot

The funny thing was it may possibly come from town!


You can get a low player evaluation too!

#2215: Nacho reiterates “Follow the plan.”

#2216: MS: “But you changed reads! I can't follow a read changer!!!!!! HELP ME ASDGHHJKKLL”

#2219: Nacho: “This is my dying breath, my time taken away by a scum quickhammer. Do not deviate, do not delay, do not get distracted.”

#2220: MS: Talks about other plans Nacho came up with

#2225: “OKAY I WILL FOLLOW YOUR PLAN SENPAI”

Starts setting up a “Oh what if Nacho is wrong angle” that he pursues on D3

#2226:

EVEN THOUGH I THINK GREYICE SHOULD DIE IN A PIT FIRE FIRST



BUT NACHO TOWN IS ALWAYS RIGHT YAS?

#2235-8: He fucking pleads with Nacho for any changes to his list.

LAST WORDS! LAST WILL! ANY CHANGES???? (I KNOW YOU WILL)

EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS VERY IMPORTANT

IF WE LOSE IT IS ON YOU.

YOU WILL LEAD US TO VICTORY.

BE THE KING AND LORD FOR ALL OF US AND BRING US TO VICTORY

yeah if you have any changes to your plan because of that shitty opportunistic wagon composition (note: mollie + grey on the same wagon, sotty not even voting you) you really should give them before your heart stops

D3:
He votes for Sotty but suddenly descends into an *Argument* with mollie

#2339: Suddenly he wants Sotty to come into the thread and town it up so that they don’t have to follow Nacho’s plan. Remember, tis is the same person WHOS been on every single scum list of his, along with a detailed case on why GreyIce-Sotty are scum together.

#2341: You have the ‘What if Nacho is wrong’ series

this is like jumping off a building and hoping that jesus nacho will carry us to the heavens!


let's not think about what happens if this goes wrong!

#2347: “i was talking to myself about what if sotty was town.”

MS’s interactions with me are also particularly telling
- When I’m certain in Nacho\Grey town reads and Sotty\Kagami scum reads
—> Replies with "My conviction is so high, its shocking"
- When I post my meta and state how different my town and scum games are (which anyone who’s played with me more than twice will no)
—> Replies with "Meta suddenly shouldn’t apply in team Mafia games"
- Wgeurts mentions how a Sotty scum flip would help my town cred
—> Replies with "Supposedly my reads are “Too perfect”"

The first post in which he literally turns around? The one where I express the view that Kagami might be a mislynch set up by scum.

i have a duty to preserve the legacy of nacho


even if i strongly disagree with them!

Nacho was wrong about all other three names on his list. You'll see why once I show you the light.

you intrigue me.

i like your play ooba. I like it too much.

I am going to have high expectations.

[ooba]

I'm going 1:1 with Metal Sonic. Your town bloc is broken and I need to take steps to fix it.

Lynch him. If he flips town, you can kill me tomorrow.

Vote: MS

Just literally open the tab where he pleads to Nacho to change the lists and tell me you don't see scum partner with Sotty\Kagami written all over it.

[ooba]

Here's the main posts where its obvious for those who don't have the time to go through other points.

#2235-8: He pleads with Nacho for any changes to his list.

LAST WORDS! LAST WILL! ANY CHANGES???? (I KNOW YOU WILL)

EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS VERY IMPORTANT

IF WE LOSE IT IS ON YOU.

YOU WILL LEAD US TO VICTORY.

BE THE KING AND LORD FOR ALL OF US AND BRING US TO VICTORY

yeah if you have any changes to your plan because of that shitty opportunistic wagon composition (note: mollie + grey on the same wagon, sotty not even voting you) you really should give them before your heart stops

[pirate mollie]

Kagami is flipping town.

- D2: I wanted to lynch Sotty when Nacho was the play
- D4: I want to present my lynch choices when Kagami is the play
See any similarities?

You WILL GODDAMN WAIT AND LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

See the differance is this:
while nacho was obvtown and very contenful kagami was not and a lurksack + the "follow the plan" is in motion so that affects the situation too.
Thus your analysis is misguided.

We're past the point where isolated scum tells such 'Kagami is a lurksack' is valid reasons enough to push for a lynch.

You have a scum flip. You now have proved scum-??? interactions. You analyse them - you find scum and you lynch.

When pushing for a lynch - you now have to keep asking yourself 'Who the hell is scum with this person. So Sotty + Kagami + ??? + ??? - those other two'

Ok - you say GreyIce as a possible third? You analyse 'GreyIce' ~ 'Sotty' interactions. You'll come with the feeling that "HEY - THATS NOT A BUS" - and you'll know Grey is town.

So Grey is town? Who else can it be?
- wgeurts: Improbable because he had already made comments to the tune of 'Hey if nacho flips town lynch Kagami' on D2. Not going to do that with a scum partner.
- ZZZX: "Hey Guys what about Kagami?" on D2 and the pace of voting now - impossible to be a scum partner
- ABR with his instant vote on Kagami D3? - Nope
- Zar voted Kagami D2 when bussing was the best and far superior option. - Nope
- ooba? My first entry of the game was "Nacho-Ice sure town. One of Sotty\Kagami def scum" -> Really a double bus first post? Nope

That leaves MS and mollie.

I can't remember anything from memory that particularly counters these pairings.

So could be {Sotty, Kagami, MS, mollie} - literally the only pairing that makes sense with Kagami scum. But when you have a town lean on mollie - but a 'at least I townread this slot before; I shouldn't question my early town reads' on MS - you realise even that is kinda not probable.

Hence your initial assumption was wrong. The building comes crumbling down - and only one thought survives the chaos that ensues. 'Kagami is town' and you are pretty certain of it.

pssst. pretty sure my bf can read me!

and no1 better hand me that nonsense about he wldn't vote each other cos nacho and I will each other every single time if we think the other is scum! the only time you shld be worried if we are scum together and well obvsly we are not.

[pirate mollie]

I have been beta testing board games all day and now i am headed out to reck's with gamma and nuwen but this is where I am up to at this point.