8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[GreyICE]

Zar too. I keep forgetting him. Enormous gaping hole. Not crack.

[ooba]

Ooba too, probably should die. It's easy to state how townie people are at the 11th hour. He wanted to go off message yesterday. But you did the day before even that.

What are you talking about?

Every since I joined the thread - I've been on Sotty's case.

The 11th hour thing is bullshit because we literally got a substantial wagon on Sotty on D2.

D3 - pushed fully on Sotty.

ZZZX's not scum with Kagami - his 'Hey Guys What about Kagami' is unlikely to come from a partner.

[ooba]

Grey, what do you think of these three posts where MS tries to get Nacho to change his list that leads with {Sotty, Kagami....}

Here's the main posts where its obvious for those who don't have the time to go through other points.

#2235-8: He pleads with Nacho for any changes to his list.

LAST WORDS! LAST WILL! ANY CHANGES???? (I KNOW YOU WILL)

EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS VERY IMPORTANT

IF WE LOSE IT IS ON YOU.

YOU WILL LEAD US TO VICTORY.

BE THE KING AND LORD FOR ALL OF US AND BRING US TO VICTORY

yeah if you have any changes to your plan because of that shitty opportunistic wagon composition (note: mollie + grey on the same wagon, sotty not even voting you) you really should give them before your heart stops

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[Albert B. Rampage]

Grey Ice, be my ally.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Grab a shovel and help me bury this scum team.

[GreyICE]

It's shit. I want to say he's town. I really do. He lives and breaths town.

But that early lying stuff. Yesterday.

Yeah, I can see it. Let me mull.

Nacho's plan is the sword of damocles. I haven't played well enough to justify living under it. Too easy, too many questions anyways.

Pedit:

Scum are : Nacho and pirate

I'm willing to vote GreyIce because he keeps sheeping Nacho.

Think that ship has sailed my friend.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nacho is a good scum player and you know it. If he was scum, and successful at lynching Sotty and Kagami-scum, he would be unstoppable. He would single-handedly win the game for scum. Risk mitigation. Are you even 30? Stop your idealist bullshit, this is the real world.

[GreyICE]

But Ooba

He hasn't cited his predecessor at all. But if he was scum, he should. He really really should.

I will post more substantially tomorrow with some questions and substance but I thought I'd post some reads copy-pasted from my notes:

TOWN
ZZZX (obv)
Empire (or Zor, now?)
ABR (obv)
wgeurts (ABR interaction looks good)

NEUTRAL
Nacho (town/null reading here)
Metal Sonic (still gives me a headache)
GreyICE
sotty (I need to sit on this thing with GreyICE)
Hoopla (hasn't posted)

SCUM
Eddie (don't like posting)
SilverWolf (agree w/ ABR)

Unvote
Vote: SilverWolf

Unvote
Vote: Kagami

My vote should be here, it didn't registered for whatever reason.

Meaning that the scumteam is within:
Kagami, sotty, Eddie, Hoopla, Nacho

Unvote
Vote: sotty

Why do you think sotty will flip town?

Unvote
Vote: sotty

I've mulled things over. All things considered, I still want a Hoopla lynch; her being scum is a sure thing for me at this point. But I figure that's something we can do in the future, I think.

Here's my concise rationale for my vote. No way are GreyICE and Kagami scum together; same with GreyICE and sotty. A scumflip from either of them means a cleared GreyICE. The reason I want sotty over Kagami is that sotty-scum almost certainly implicates Kagami but vice versa does not hold up as well. Sotty is actually distancing away from Kagami's defense and the subsequent smackdown with GreyICE in some of her posts, as she does not respond to them at all. (Take a look back thru ISO) I could imagine Kagami as scum trying to start noise to defend her scumbuddy and push the wagon onto GreyICE. Frankly, this is not something I would expect Kagami to do unless they were scum together or Kagami was town. I can explain this more if people want but I don't have time now.

I also resent being told that I'm lurking when I have a perfectly respectable post count thank you.

For someone who posted a shit sandwich of posts, whined about how bad his play was, and lurked like a motherfucker his heart was in the right place. The exact right place.

Ooba-scum should be fucking citing this like it's the holy grail. Don't think anyone in this game spent more time with their vote on scum than Seraphim did.

Pedit: I do not negotiate with terrorists.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Seriously, fuck your feelings. This is mafia, I ain't got time for sensitivity training for little bitches, get with the program or go fuck yourself GreyIce.

[GreyICE]

Vote: ABR

[ooba]

Vote: ABR

While play has been hilariously bad, I can actually see him being town.

It's either {MS, mollie} or {MS, ABR}.

Better to go with MS first.

[GreyICE]

It's the same shit Ooba. The same shit. He's a bully who threatens people. Fucking done with his bullying bullshit. No Kagami, I have a piece of meta. No Sotty, we have to do Nacho first.

Mollie is a fine lynch. MS, I dunno. I feel too much town. But Mollie/ABR? So possible. Eddie was "definitely town". Look how hard he flipped out at Mollie. It's entirely possible Eddie never even ran it past ABR. Eddie was lurking up a storm, and Mollie doesn't think of these sorts of things.

Whatever. Lynch me, I flip town, I call ABR/Mollie. 4:2 is still very winnable with the setup we have but I don't have any feeling at all it'll be that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No Kagami, I have a piece of meta. No Sotty, we have to do Nacho first.

That's what Titus + BBT thought, 2 vs.1. They overruled me.

[GreyICE]

Yes when I think ABR I think "wow I am totally the sort of person who likes democracy and rule by consensus"

Hilariously I overruled my team. They wanted Sotty and Kagami.

But that's neither here nor there. At the end of the day I am GreyICE, and you are ABR, and whatever people are whispering in our ears each of us is the one solely accountable for our actions

[Albert B. Rampage]

Right, and I listened to them. Their idea, not mine.

[Albert B. Rampage]

As I said, even though I disagreed with them that Nacho was scum and Kagami was town, I maintain lynching Nacho would 1) break the game wide open and 2) was a good risk mitigation tactic.

[ooba]

Grey, I can see a universe where ABR-town convinced himself on Nacho scum (with help from his team mates) and stonewalled us on D2 for Nacho. It might even be this one.

I cannot see any universe where those posts of MS come from a town alignment. Or at least somebody who didn't like Sotty, Kagami leading those lists - hence, scum. He had {Sotty\You} as a scum team. Why would he unhappy with that list?

I think this might be an incorrect course of action where both town you, ABR die.

MS is a great "risk mitigation tactic." - I'm certain he's flipping scum. I wouldn't have switched on Kagami yesterday if this wasn't as clear as the light of day for me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If I was town, I would bus all my scumbuddies all the way to the end and claim an easy victory on the back of an excellent town looking post history and mostly accurate reads. Townblock it to the end. Why damage my own credibility to lynch Sotty and Kagami who are useless lurkers? Anyone who thinks I am scum is overthinking it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If I was scum*

[Albert B. Rampage]

Too tired to post, good night.

[GreyICE]

Day 1 you asked for Hoopla. And she was shit, and it needed to happen, despite my town read.
Day 2 you asked for Nacho. And I gave it. And that's my fault.

Why is ZZZX town?
What is your read on Metal Sonic?
Do you really think Seraphim spent day 1 shitting on his scumbuddies?

I wish to quote you:

You, me, and zzzy are the most widely townread players in the game. The fact that all of us are voting for Nacho carries a lot of weight.

ABR, Sonic, ZZZX. The "most town-read players in the game". On a town wagon vs. a scum wagon.

Am I supposed to believe that's three townies? That's not a thing that happened. Kagami and Sotty defended each other hard. This was not a bussing game.
Ugh though this

You unvoted Sotty so she could post more, even though you have a scum read on her, and decide to vote for Hoopla who posted even less content than Sotty.

Vote: Seraphim

Is one of those fucking amazing pieces of logic

Unvote

Ooba, do you think I will survive today after Nacho gave 2 scum
Why are you hard buddying me

[Metal Sonic]

lol grey are you town?

[Metal Sonic]

no really are you town

[Metal Sonic]

By meta dive, you'll actually tunnel in with a view that I'm scum.

Answer me this:

I flip town, you admit you've screwed up and I get the vengeful lynch. YES\NO?

NO.

That deal only applies to GreyICE

If these three conditions apply:
a) You're town
b) Nacho's town
c) You lynch me and ignore my vengeful instructions

expect me to single handedly tank your player ratings because you lost this game for town.

YES.

I will accept responsibility if I lost this game for town.

But I want to add another clause:

d) GreyICE's town.


Give me a lower player rating than Hoopla if that ever comes true.

Deal.

Acknowledged.

i have to suck ooba's dick if you are town

[GreyICE]

Of course I am town

Your "slam" list was 2 town:1 scum. Oddly, in an 8:4, that's what you'd expect Random.org to give you. If you're town, you might wish to reflect on that.