8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[wgeurts]

Mollie, beware.
MS could be manipulating your emotions.

[wgeurts]

This whole emotion thing from MS feels like a last attempt at manipulating those that aren't sure of him.
He's gone from, I'm town and you are wrong to I suck lynch me.
That's not town motivated, or I'm paranoid.

ZZZX, lets test ooba for a new town bloc.

[ZZZX]

Cant trust anyone at this stage

Trust me and vote MetalSonic, if Ooba's wrong we've got his vote tommorow. If he's right then us 3 should work together as a new town bloc.
All I really want right now is one more scum lynch so I can get a 2 man town bloc to win. I trust you most currently and ooba I've made this deal to see if I can trust him.
ZZZX, lets work together.
Ignore the chaos, if me, you and ooba can now become a new town bloc we can guarantee victory.
First I want to test ooba though. Please help by lynching MS.

let me read the only scum-game of ms i can think off

[ooba]

Nacho explicitly said to follow whoever flips town in reads.

Dont you agree?

I don't. Grey's been pretty town right from the start. Nacho overthought himself on that one.

I will try to form a new town blok - rebuild the game to make sure things do not go wrong.

Before i start is there anyone who doesnt agree to the fact that I am town? Because if that exists I cant really go ahead.

I believe you are town. Also, wouldn't you be better served building the new block after you see this flip?

I'll be honest - I want to push for the win.

I pushed for Sotty D2 because I wanted Nacho by our side to figure stuff out. I push for MS now because his flip has two effects - lynches scum, clears GreyIce.

If we lynch GreyIce today and he flips town, I don't envy trying to get four votes for MS while being bombarded by ABR's (either misguided or scum) push on me + MS's own efforts.

ZZZX, there's no angle for me as scum here. Join the righteous wagon!

[Metal Sonic]

I am the victim here.

[ZZZX]

Howabout we strike a deal. If grey ice agrees we push for him and if he flips town we go for metal.

Is that fine with you?

[ZZZX]

I am the victim here.

Sorry man but my trust in you has crumbled to below 0 right now...

[Metal Sonic]

That is fine, but GreyICE must agree first.

I have no right to play after grey flips town, it was the deal I made from the beginning

[ZZZX]

frankly ooba i dont trust you but the points you put against metal are pretty valid.

p-edit: This is cool with me.

[Metal Sonic]

I am the victim here.

Sorry man but my trust in you has crumbled to below 0 right now...

Ok bro.


Pedit: ooba's points are valid, and I know I am town, that is why I am wondering how I can be so bad at the game

[ZZZX]

ZZZX's voting record is an enormous gaping hole. Not a crack. His participation is an enormous, gaping hole. Not a crack.

i love how after the flips my voting pattern is hte best in game lols

[ZZZX]

also p-edit: I am happy you understand sonic. I want to trust you i reall do but i cant after i re-read

[Metal Sonic]

frankly ooba i dont trust you but the points you put against metal are pretty valid.

p-edit: This is cool with me.

I want you to reread organic Chem then tell everyone that I am not that way.

we lost because a tracker guilty cut our team, which I did not expect.

If I were scum I would follow nacho with 0 doubt knowing that everyone will be trusting me except mollie. Because she was not here in the early game for her to sort me.


If your trust on me is less than 0 then it is valid. I trust you.

[ZZZX]

frankly ooba i dont trust you but the points you put against metal are pretty valid.

p-edit: This is cool with me.

I want you to reread organic Chem then tell everyone that I am not that way.

we lost because a tracker guilty cut our team, which I did not expect.

If I were scum I would follow nacho with 0 doubt knowing that everyone will be trusting me except mollie. Because she was not here in the early game for her to sort me.


If your trust on me is less than 0 then it is valid. I trust you.

in organic there were a few major things:

Minimum interactions with scum buddies.
Soft defending scum buddies
Putting scum buddies in the middle.

You have done all 3 in both games.

also your posting pattern is frankly the same ine very sonic game. if i listen to you any more i will get affected by emotions . I will follow nacho's plan and if grey doesnt flip scum you might die.

This is it from me.

[Metal Sonic]

Ok.

[Metal Sonic]

i am going to take a nap now for real.

i am too emotionally invested in the game.

[Metal Sonic]

posting pattern is frankly the same ine very sonic game.

this.

is because of this guy

Spoiler: nobody reads my posts

According to you, ... is a certain scum tell.

You keep saying rubbish like this and are never able to back it up.

I quote:

You respond to posts. You do not address accusations in any of those. Not one.

In your list you even include 364, wherein you deliberately dodge the vast majority of 354, you only "respond" to the most minor of points.

You believe that you will be "caught for the wrong reasons" if you actually defend yourself.

You see, secretly I am reading you. Do my eyes glaze on MS walls? Sure. I didn't always read all of MOI walls either, and I avoid reading mastin's walls like they're plague (they make you less informed about the gamestate, so they kinda are). Do I read the posts my scumreads make. Fuck yes.

that is all. i am going to reflect. reflecting is pain.

[wgeurts]

Howabout we strike a deal. If grey ice agrees we push for him and if he flips town we go for metal.

Is that fine with you?

Or even better, we do it the other way round so we instantly know wether he's right.
I've already made the deal, perhaps ooba will extend it to if Metal flips town you and me control his vote?

[wgeurts]

ZZZX, first lynching ICE then MS has the downpoint we still don't have any more trust in ooba.
If we lynch MS first not only do we possibly catch scum, even if Metal flips town we are given Ooba's vote because of the deal I made.
So we either get scum and a new town bloc or not however we have control over his vote.
Mislynching metal tommorow will lead to a sticky situation, I'd rather we clear stuff sooner rather than later. Doing this gives us anther day to rethink and reform, lynching MS tommorow if ICE flips town means we need to figure stuff out in LYLO.
Not a good plan.

[pirate mollie]

ooba, since you asked me if I was town (even tho it was a bit of a loaded question) and you seemed to want help on the metal wagon can you plz tell me who your other scumspect partner is if it isn't me?

also zar is skating under the radar has any1 else noticed this

[ooba]

Howabout we strike a deal. If grey ice agrees we push for him and if he flips town we go for metal.

Is that fine with you?

frankly ooba i dont trust you but the points you put against metal are pretty valid.

p-edit: This is cool with me.

The 'Lynch MS today. Grey\Me tomorrow plan' is much more solid?

What advantages do you see in a Grey flip? (which IMO is going to be town)

[ooba]

ooba, since you asked me if I was town (even tho it was a bit of a loaded question) and you seemed to want help on the metal wagon can you plz tell me who your other scumspect partner is if it isn't me?

also zar is skating under the radar has any1 else noticed this

If it isn't you, it's ABR all the way.

Although to be frank, I really haven't analyzed Zar. I just feel good about that slot because they voted Kagami sometime in D2 + Empire was the one to bring about the whole 'You lied about tokens' thing on MS - so a MS scum-Zar scum doesn't make that much sense.

[wgeurts]

Mollie I mentioned Zar a few pages back

[ZZZX]

Grey/Metal each of you post a full read list including death list please

[ooba]

ZZZX, let whoever we choose to lynch post their death lists just before they're lynched.

I'm not in favor of both of them posting these lists beforehand. In the unlikely event that both flip town, I don't want scum choosing which mislynch to jump on based on what their vengeful list looks like.

It's not going to be a mislynch.

Well, if it isn't, I actually will have to stop playing!! (Overconfidence has been my Achilles heal so should teach me something about life)

But if it is, let's make it vengeful. I'd like Nacho to state in thread who tomorrows lynch should be.

I, on the other hand, do not want Nacho to state this until we're at the edge.

Because that tells the scum to hop on or back off.

Like this guy.