i have come into a small conclusion after the small shitstorm. I will not focus on what suggestions anyone who didnt already flips town does. it will affect my judgement. we need to hit one scum in 4 lynches. that much i believe we can do.
↑wgeurts wrote:As for the hypocrisy, nacho/greyICE flip reveals a lot more info than sotty/kagami flip whatever alignment they flip. You know this so my deal should of been fine.
↑wgeurts wrote:EVERYONE WHO IS TOWN
LYNCH KAGAMI TOMMOROW
IF SOTTY FLIPS TOWN WITHOUT VENG TARGET
ONE WRONGN TOWN VOTE WILL END TOWN
↑wgeurts wrote:If kagami's town I'm blacklisting her, I don't even.
↑wgeurts wrote:No VOTE: ZZZX
Ooba, Mollie, Ice and Kagami are town.
ABR and ZZZX can get out the town bloc.
Metal Sonic, ICE, Mollie and me should be the new one.
↑wgeurts wrote:ZZZX was setting up to lynch kagami at sotty any alignment, he was recovering what he could. If ZZZX flips scum kagami is town.
Ooba gets town cred, my only doubts lie on seraphim and his super-strong nacho read. His ICE is fully correct
No way ICE hard bussed Sotty.
ICE, work with me as a new Town Bloc.
Mollie, I now trust and believe you. Work with me, I'm fine with your play so lets prove ABR wrong.
ABR is looking dodgy, however I get this nagging feeling he's town.
Zar is probably scum.
Kagami is a lot townier with this however he's wrong on ICE, I need ZZZX to flip first. If ZZZX is town we lynch kagami.
Metal Sonic, vote ZZZX.
these are the scummiest posts for wge. but generally his reasoning later felt towny. so he is leaning town.
When you have time, lay out all reasoning, with evidence and all analysis necessary for all pertinent reads that you have.
This is important before I take any of your reads into account.
Fails to deliver.
I threaten ooba here:
↑Metal Sonic wrote:vezokpiraka says that the way ooba entered the game is like a desperate scumslot's attempt to save the slot when his scumbuddies thought that he was dead meat.
he want to remind us about the fact that seraphim was extremely scummy, but nobody ever really pushed for it.
he also makes the statement that he thinks that ooba is more guaranteed scum than nacho
thats a little harsh but i am relaying this direct. personally i dont see what vezok is seeing so strongly, but he can be a genius at the game. thats why he's on my team!
finally he would like to remind us of the fact that weaker players tend to be more alignment indicative than 'stronger' ones. basically seraphim's scumminess was obvious but a skilled player the likes of ooba is able to expertly fix it up, especially with coaching and daytalk.
i am afraid of the modkill :[
And give a very clear reason why I didn't want to vote Sotty
What I read from Vezo’s statement is a lot of paranoia.
My town game is simple - find scum, lynch them. My reads are my shield.
- Capcom, pressured by a lot of slots - dayvig asks for a shot. I give them adorable. Shoots him - flips scum. I’m Conf town - die to a nightkill that night.
I see a Sotty lynch in the same light. Sotty flips scum - game breaks open.
If I was scum, a Sotty lynch does nothing for me
- with Nacho, I would have milked the bus for all it’s worth. A town Sotty flip would only make Nahco\me even more scum in your\ABR eyes. There’s no long term value there.
- and Nacho is town - I would have taken the Nacho mislynch. I don’t want a town player of his caliber staying along.
@ZZZX:
I’m scum reading you for the interactions amongst those I don’t have as town. Wge read. The three scum reads who I have as possibly town {def. Nacho, Grey}. Plus a lot of D2 not spent talking about game that much. ('Can you put reads in this format?')
unfortunately he didn't have much ammo. retracted.
↑pirate mollie wrote:why the fuck are metal and abr in a town block that anybody is listening to when they just lynched hoppla and then nacho? and took great pains to interfere with my process to sort out nacho?
They haev done a lot of bullshit. I know.
But they are town. That much havent changed. Do you think one of them is scum?
Clearly.
- Both lynched Nacho by creating an air of fear, uncertainty and doubt about that player slot
- When faced with opposition, they reaction with "But a town Nacho flip will tell us lots. We can use that in the days going forward"
- ABR in particular is guilty of the following things:
a) When I pressured him as to who exactly we lynch when Nacho flips town, he replied with Kagami to which I pointed out that Nacho changed his reads
b) Even when Nacho explicitly put Sotty at the front of the list, he tried changing that with a "So Nach do you prefer Sotty or Kagami lynch tomorrow?"
c) And voting Kagami today is just hilarious
- MS
a) Suddenly he wants Sotty to come in - town it up and "doesn't want to follow Nacho's plan"? After all that bullshit about Nacho being the best player on site and how it'll help us if his reads are "100% confirmed"
Both aren't scum - but my intuition says one is. This analysis is obviously predicated on Sotty being scum. I'll figure it out after the flip. Either way - I'm going after this bunch last. Lots of other scum to fry.
apparently ooba learns that going 1:1 with ABR will leave him ripped to shreds
- D2: I wanted to lynch Sotty when Nacho was the play
- D4: I want to present my lynch choices when Kagami is the play
See any similarities?
You WILL GODDAMN WAIT AND LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
See the differance is this:
while nacho was obvtown and very contenful kagami was not and a lurksack + the "follow the plan" is in motion so that affects the situation too.
Thus your analysis is misguided.
We're past the point where isolated scum tells such 'Kagami is a lurksack' is valid reasons enough to push for a lynch.
You have a scum flip. You now have proved scum-??? interactions. You analyse them - you find scum and you lynch.
When pushing for a lynch - you now have to keep asking yourself 'Who the hell is scum with this person. So Sotty + Kagami + ??? + ??? - those other two'
Ok - you say GreyIce as a possible third? You analyse 'GreyIce' ~ 'Sotty' interactions. You'll come with the feeling that "HEY - THATS NOT A BUS" - and you'll know Grey is town.
So Grey is town? Who else can it be?
- wgeurts: Improbable because he had already made comments to the tune of 'Hey if nacho flips town lynch Kagami' on D2. Not going to do that with a scum partner.
- ZZZX: "Hey Guys what about Kagami?" on D2 and the pace of voting now - impossible to be a scum partner
- ABR with his instant vote on Kagami D3? - Nope
- Zar voted Kagami D2 when bussing was the best and far superior option. - Nope
- ooba? My first entry of the game was "Nacho-Ice sure town. One of Sotty\Kagami def scum" -> Really a double bus first post? Nope
That leaves MS and mollie. I can't remember anything from memory that particularly counters these pairings.
So could be {Sotty, Kagami, MS, mollie} - literally the only pairing that makes sense with Kagami scum. But when you have a town lean on mollie - but a 'at least I townread this slot before; I shouldn't question my early town reads' on MS - you realise even that is kinda not probable.
Hence your initial assumption was wrong. The building comes crumbling down - and only one thought survives the chaos that ensues. 'Kagami is town' and you are pretty certain of it.
↑ZZZX wrote:also we are following the plan of the conf town. and i find that the most vaible option,. straying from that (and breaking promises) is anti town at best
I didn't make any single promise to Nacho. I've always wanted just the single vengeful lynch to go through.
If we are mislynching Nacho, I want us to follow the vengeful lynch route.
But if it is, let's make it vengeful. I'd like Nacho to state in thread who tomorrows lynch should be.
Every new flip gives you new info - you use that new info - something the conf townie didn't have access to on D2.
Just a random thought: If it is {MS, Mollie, Sotty, Kagami} - it's pretty funny that MS started lisetening\being nice to me only after I made this post.
↑Metal Sonic wrote:i have a duty to preserve the legacy of nacho
even if i strongly disagree with them!
Nacho was wrong about all other three names on his list. You'll see why once I show you the light.
↑ooba wrote:You know what - the more I think about it, the more this makes sense.
I thought it was ZZZX\Wgeurts\ABR - but somethings did make me pause on that today:
- Wgeurts sudden turn around - I really cannot see scum making a dramatic turn around like this. Plus I would have pegged ABR to be the one they select to slaughter their own team mates.
- Read back on ZZZX's promise. He seems incredibly calm to following Nacho's lynch list - even with Sotty leading the list. Now, the other three names would be town in that scenario - but he knew town would have stopped at town-kagami.
So let's go ahead with Kagami
- A Kagami scum flip would clear all of these - ABR\Wgeurts\ZZZX for me
- And on a town flip - I can tell you why I thought ZZZX\Wgeurts\ABR makes sense as a team
- D2: I wanted to lynch Sotty when Nacho was the play
- D4: I want to present my lynch choices when Kagami is the play
See any similarities?
You WILL GODDAMN WAIT AND LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
See the differance is this:
while nacho was obvtown and very contenful kagami was not and a lurksack + the "follow the plan" is in motion so that affects the situation too.
Thus your analysis is misguided.
We're past the point where isolated scum tells such 'Kagami is a lurksack' is valid reasons enough to push for a lynch.
You have a scum flip. You now have proved scum-??? interactions. You analyse them - you find scum and you lynch.
When pushing for a lynch - you now have to keep asking yourself 'Who the hell is scum with this person. So Sotty + Kagami + ??? + ??? - those other two'
Ok - you say GreyIce as a possible third? You analyse 'GreyIce' ~ 'Sotty' interactions. You'll come with the feeling that "HEY - THATS NOT A BUS" - and you'll know Grey is town.
So Grey is town? Who else can it be?
- wgeurts: Improbable because he had already made comments to the tune of 'Hey if nacho flips town lynch Kagami' on D2. Not going to do that with a scum partner.
- ZZZX: "Hey Guys what about Kagami?" on D2 and the pace of voting now - impossible to be a scum partner
- ABR with his instant vote on Kagami D3? - Nope
- Zar voted Kagami D2 when bussing was the best and far superior option. - Nope
- ooba? My first entry of the game was "Nacho-Ice sure town. One of Sotty\Kagami def scum" -> Really a double bus first post? Nope
That leaves MS and mollie. I can't remember anything from memory that particularly counters these pairings.
So could be {Sotty, Kagami, MS, mollie} - literally the only pairing that makes sense with Kagami scum. But when you have a town lean on mollie - but a 'at least I townread this slot before; I shouldn't question my early town reads' on MS - you realise even that is kinda not probable.
Hence your initial assumption was wrong. The building comes crumbling down - and only one thought survives the chaos that ensues. 'Kagami is town' and you are pretty certain of it.
↑ooba wrote:Just a random thought: If it is {MS, Mollie, Sotty, Kagami} - it's pretty funny that MS started lisetening\being nice to me only after I made this post.
↑Metal Sonic wrote:i have a duty to preserve the legacy of nacho
even if i strongly disagree with them!
Nacho was wrong about all other three names on his list. You'll see why once I show you the light.
↑ooba wrote:You know what - the more I think about it, the more this makes sense.
I thought it was ZZZX\Wgeurts\ABR - but somethings did make me pause on that today:
- Wgeurts sudden turn around - I really cannot see scum making a dramatic turn around like this. Plus I would have pegged ABR to be the one they select to slaughter their own team mates.
- Read back on ZZZX's promise. He seems incredibly calm to following Nacho's lynch list - even with Sotty leading the list. Now, the other three names would be town in that scenario - but he knew town would have stopped at town-kagami.
So let's go ahead with Kagami
- A Kagami scum flip would clear all of these - ABR\Wgeurts\ZZZX for me
- And on a town flip - I can tell you why I thought ZZZX\Wgeurts\ABR makes sense as a team
Vote: Kagami
It's not auto win because you have MS in your town pile\bloc\whatever.
I want him lynched today.
↑ooba wrote:Guys just do me this favour and look at MS ISO with the knowledge that Kagami is scum.
Baby bear: ZZZX
Papa bear: ABR
Mama bear: Metal Sonic
↑ZZZX wrote:listen I am not lynching with relationship to be a scum partner to a living person. I am doing it for someone who is as useless as crap in a nightless. a town will never do nothing in a nightless unless he deserves to die. See hoopla
also do you think his lurking is fine? guess who the 2 lower posts were? Both fucking scum
lets finish this with oen thing: anyone less than 100 posts since hte start of the game deserves to get lynched. its clear as fuck.
p-edit: i have been trying to make him vote zar for half the damn game, i am pretty sure thats not a silver platter. he just follows the plan. so I want YOU to do the fucking SAME.
You come to a 120 page game and vote a slot that is so obviously town on these weak ass activity reasons?
I'm sick and tired of being called scum with every single person I call town because it SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO YOU IF YOU JUST READ THE FUCKING GAME.
- Nacho was town
- GI is town
- Zar is town
So if Zar flips scum - I'm partners with him?
What if he flips town - do I get your vote for the rest of the game?
↑ZZZX wrote:listen I am not lynching with relationship to be a scum partner to a living person. I am doing it for someone who is as useless as crap in a nightless. a town will never do nothing in a nightless unless he deserves to die. See hoopla
also do you think his lurking is fine? guess who the 2 lower posts were? Both fucking scum
lets finish this with oen thing: anyone less than 100 posts since hte start of the game deserves to get lynched. its clear as fuck.
p-edit: i have been trying to make him vote zar for half the damn game, i am pretty sure thats not a silver platter. he just follows the plan. so I want YOU to do the fucking SAME.
You come to a 120 page game and vote a slot that is so obviously town on these weak ass activity reasons?
I'm sick and tired of being called scum with every single person I call town because it SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO YOU IF YOU JUST READ THE FUCKING GAME.
- Nacho was town
- GI is town
- Zar is town
So if Zar flips scum - I'm partners with him?
What if he flips town - do I get your vote for the rest of the game?
but for now i want to keep him alive. until either zar flips scum or we flip one scum and we can flip you both (At that case your sacrifice will be for the glory of the town m8)
↑ZZZX wrote:i agree about many points you show here.
but for now i want to keep him alive. until either zar flips scum or we flip one scum and we can flip you both (At that case your sacrifice will be for the glory of the town m8)
p-edit :
If you respect my points and my case, and still want to try to lynch scum while keeping MS alive - lynch Mollie, not Zar.
