8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[ZZZX]

had enough mafia and head destruction for a day... will see 2moro.

[wgeurts]

Mollie, I want to lynch MS to see wether he's right.

[ooba]

Metal,
As your flip could actually be scum
And I want to sort ooba as he may be scum
And I made a deal

He was on kagami wagon I believe.

when is this sorting of ooba supposed to be happening cos i don't see you doing it.

Thats because the plan sorts out my alignment by itself.

We lynch MS today
-> If he flips town, I get lynched
-> If he flips scum, insta town cred to ooba

What is especially surprising is that

everyone who scum reads me

does not agree to this plan as 1 town:1 scum trade for the town when we are at 6:2 is a near insta win.

[wgeurts]

Like actions alone he's town,
But I need associatives as he's going a different direction to most

[ZZZX]

Metal,
As your flip could actually be scum
And I want to sort ooba as he may be scum
And I made a deal

He was on kagami wagon I believe.

when is this sorting of ooba supposed to be happening cos i don't see you doing it.

Thats because the plan sorts out my alignment by itself.

We lynch MS today
-> If he flips town, I get lynched
-> If he flips scum, insta town cred to ooba

What is especially surprising is that

everyone who scum reads me

does not agree to this plan as 1 town:1 scum trade for the town when we are at 6:2 is a near insta win.

i might just fucking do this already

[ZZZX]

if you two exist in hte game any more i might end up voting my self >>

[wgeurts]

VOTE: Metal Sonic
I'm sticking to my plan.
May need to find someone instead of zzzx
Zar is a good later lynch, we shouldn't leave the dangerous scum for last

[pirate mollie]

God one of you three is scum.
If not both
You're GOING TO LOOSE TOWN THE FUXKING GAME

How? You keep talking about the holes in Nacho's plan, but you won't explain anything.

Nacho's plan is based fully of his skill and randomness.
This was fine at that point and it worked.
However if me and ZZZX or anyone can get a town bloc of two and kill one scum we'd WIN.
Hell I'd lynch myself if such a bloc appeared to aid it's cause
I only am fully sure of ZZZX so I reached out to him

according to ooba you reached out to me!

[ooba]

Metal,
As your flip could actually be scum
And I want to sort ooba as he may be scum
And I made a deal

He was on kagami wagon I believe.

when is this sorting of ooba supposed to be happening cos i don't see you doing it.

Thats because the plan sorts out my alignment by itself.

We lynch MS today
-> If he flips town, I get lynched
-> If he flips scum, insta town cred to ooba

What is especially surprising is that

everyone who scum reads me

does not agree to this plan as 1 town:1 scum trade for the town when we are at 6:2 is a near insta win.

i might just fucking do this already

ZZZX, I've literally been begging people to do this. Do it please.

And its good for me too - because I'd rather hang my head in shame and walk out of the door if MS is town. (Also I think I'm a bit obsessed now with the game)

It's good for the game state - because if we both are town - you need to get this resolved ASAP. Do you really want a Day 6 with the same shit?

[wgeurts]

Also, I'll follow up with a venge ICE if I'm going down.

[wgeurts]

God one of you three is scum.
If not both
You're GOING TO LOOSE TOWN THE FUXKING GAME

How? You keep talking about the holes in Nacho's plan, but you won't explain anything.

Nacho's plan is based fully of his skill and randomness.
This was fine at that point and it worked.
However if me and ZZZX or anyone can get a town bloc of two and kill one scum we'd WIN.
Hell I'd lynch myself if such a bloc appeared to aid it's cause
I only am fully sure of ZZZX so I reached out to him

according to ooba you reached out to me!

I did!
You ignored me and didn't talk to me. I want to get my own read on you as well as nacho's

[ooba]

Also, I'll follow up with a venge ICE if I'm going down.

Wgeurts - never a good idea for anybody to reveal venge lists before it's L-1 or something similar. Cause you allow scum to plan mislynches better.

[Alchemist21]

Also, I'll follow up with a venge ICE if I'm going down.

Why? Given the resistance you gave to the Nacho plan these past few pages I thought you were Townreading GI.

[wgeurts]

Nope, I originally wanted him lynched to follow the nacho plan.
But then I accepted a deal that I'd vote MS and that ooba gives me his vote D6 if MS is town.
That and we can freely lynch him without any complaints if MS is town.

[ZZZX]

ill come back when metal is back to discuss stuff with him here.

[Alchemist21]

Nope, I originally wanted him lynched to follow the nacho plan.
But then I accepted a deal that I'd vote MS and that ooba gives me his vote D6 if MS is town.
That and we can freely lynch him without any complaints if MS is town.

Then why did you keep complaining how full of holes the Nacho plan is when it got us 2 scum and from your POV was about to give us a 3rd?

[ZZZX]

Ika told me to tell you this:
please stop your talk about "confirmed town plans" as its pointless. sadly even if people town read you (tip : not everyone does) you are not confirmed in any way and/or a 100% town read

[ooba]

Ika told me to tell you this:
please stop your talk about "confirmed town plans" as its pointless. sadly even if people town read you (tip : not everyone does) you are not confirmed in any way and/or a 100% town read

Who is this directed to?

[pirate mollie]

I have four people who I can literally clear as not-scum based on interactions:
- Grey
- Zar
- Wgeu
- ZZZX

I know MS is scum.

Which leaves you, ABR as possible partners to MS.

From memory ABR's D3 Kagami vote and wanting Nacho to start the list with Kagami throw some town points that way so I place him above you.

I need to analyse both for a closer call. I literally have

ZERO MOTIVATION TO DO THIS

before I see MS flip. My energies are now spent on avoiding stupid town lynches and getting scum lynched. I'll do day 6 stuff on day 6. Stop repeating the same questions over and over. I am not going to analyse your-Sotty interactions because I don't particularly care right now.

I have one mission and one mission only: lynch the obvious scum that is MS.

I am not the 1 who is doing the broken record routine.

I asked you to look at mine and sotty's interactions and you haven't, all you keep coming back to is "your scummy!" and "you are scum by poe" which is not good enough for me. I asked you why wld I intentionally swap into a game with some1 who cld read me with 99% accuracy and the best you can come up with is for wifom reasons and somehow think that I have the skill to pull it off.

I don't like a lot of metal's posts. what I am struggling with is that I can see him throwing a town game and deliberately scumming it up cos he thinks he can get away with it. I like your trajectories even less cos they make no sense if you are applying the same logic to zar as you are to me. and that is where I am struggling with you. I already said that I think you are scummy for going after me cos you think I am lynchable cos you were banking on abr's and grey's not liking me and zzthing, wguerts and metal doing absolutely nothing to try to stop it.

I have asked you to do a couple of simple things and you can't seem to do it and I am trying to figure out why.

[pirate mollie]

Ooba, lynch zar with us.
If he flips town it'll back up your reads.

I'll lynch MS if that wagon comes back. I can then attempt the plan with Ooba if Ms flips scum.
ZZZX is going to push my lynch on any MS flip, I can feel that happening.

I've calmed down.
Anyone got anything they want to ask from me?

Also mollie, you're an odd one as nobody really knows what to make of you. I think ABR would be scum over you unlike ooba though.

is it because I have breasts that I am the odd 1 out? cos it sort of feels that way

it feels like there is this giant sausagefest going on and I am not invited cos I don't have the right parts.

I mean I can sit back and just be a bargaining piece of chattel cos that is more or less how you, zzthing and metal are treating me.

[ooba]

I have four people who I can literally clear as not-scum based on interactions:
- Grey
- Zar
- Wgeu
- ZZZX

I know MS is scum.

Which leaves you, ABR as possible partners to MS.

From memory ABR's D3 Kagami vote and wanting Nacho to start the list with Kagami throw some town points that way so I place him above you.

I need to analyse both for a closer call. I literally have

ZERO MOTIVATION TO DO THIS

before I see MS flip. My energies are now spent on avoiding stupid town lynches and getting scum lynched. I'll do day 6 stuff on day 6. Stop repeating the same questions over and over. I am not going to analyse your-Sotty interactions because I don't particularly care right now.

I have one mission and one mission only: lynch the obvious scum that is MS.

I am not the 1 who is doing the broken record routine.

I asked you to look at mine and sotty's interactions and you haven't, all you keep coming back to is "your scummy!" and "you are scum by poe" which is not good enough for me. I asked you why wld I intentionally swap into a game with some1 who cld read me with 99% accuracy and the best you can come up with is for wifom reasons and somehow think that I have the skill to pull it off.

I don't like a lot of metal's posts. what I am struggling with is that I can see him throwing a town game and deliberately scumming it up cos he thinks he can get away with it.

I like your trajectories even less cos they make no sense if you are applying the same logic to zar as you are to me. and that is where I am struggling with you. I already said that I think you are scummy for going after me cos you think I am lynchable cos you were banking on abr's and grey's not liking me and zzthing, wguerts and metal doing absolutely nothing to try to stop it.

I have asked you to do a couple of simple things and you can't seem to do it and I am trying to figure out why.

Because you are asking me to do something which I just said I DONT WANT TO DO.
I DONT WANT TO DO IT TILL DAY 6.
I DONT WANT TO DO IT TILL DAY 6.
I DONT WANT TO DO IT TILL DAY 6.
I DONT WANT TO DO IT TILL DAY 6.
I DONT WANT TO ANALYZE YOUR STUFF TILL I SEE MS FLIP.
I DONT WANT TO ANALYZE YOUR STUFF TILL I SEE MS FLIP.
I DONT WANT TO ANALYZE YOUR STUFF TILL I SEE MS FLIP.
I DONT WANT TO ANALYZE YOUR STUFF TILL I SEE MS FLIP.

Maybe I've cleared someone in the town list that shouldn't be cleared {Grey, Zar, Wgeu, ZZZX}. Maybe it's ABR. Maybe MS is town and I can just get out of here. Realise that lynching MS today - and him flipping scum - and seeing who resisted the wagon and how it built up - is more info I can use tomorrow.

Also the bolded rationalisation is the most ridiculous I've ever heard of. What have you ever seen from MS to think he would throw a game? Esp. one which he has declared is more prestigious than all other games.

If you think I'm scum - lynching MS is the easiest way to see me lynched tomorrow.

[pirate mollie]

Metal,
As your flip could actually be scum
And I want to sort ooba as he may be scum
And I made a deal

He was on kagami wagon I believe.

when is this sorting of ooba supposed to be happening cos i don't see you doing it.

Thats because the plan sorts out my alignment by itself.

We lynch MS today
-> If he flips town, I get lynched

-> If he flips scum, insta town cred to ooba

What is especially surprising is that

everyone who scum reads me

does not agree to this plan as 1 town:1 scum trade for the town when we are at 6:2 is a near insta win.

this is the logic train that you keep consistently failing wrt me despite me asking you to clarify.

I wanted to lynch sotty d2, pointed out to nacho how opportunistic sotty's vote on me was, voted her d2 and d3. I wasn't around for kagami, that happened while I was at a board game convention.

I want you to walk me through the process how I don't get town cred for lynching sotty but you wld if metal flipped scum. he looks like scum to me, but your constant non-stop dodging my questions when I am trying to pinpoint your reasoning for your thought progression is worse.

[pirate mollie]

Because you are asking me to do something which I just said I DONT WANT TO DO.
I DONT WANT TO DO IT TILL DAY 6.
I DONT WANT TO DO IT TILL DAY 6.
I DONT WANT TO DO IT TILL DAY 6.
I DONT WANT TO DO IT TILL DAY 6.
I DONT WANT TO ANALYZE YOUR STUFF TILL I SEE MS FLIP.
I DONT WANT TO ANALYZE YOUR STUFF TILL I SEE MS FLIP.
I DONT WANT TO ANALYZE YOUR STUFF TILL I SEE MS FLIP.
I DONT WANT TO ANALYZE YOUR STUFF TILL I SEE MS FLIP.

Maybe I've cleared someone in the town list that shouldn't be cleared {Grey, Zar, Wgeu, ZZZX}. Maybe it's ABR. Maybe MS is town and I can just get out of here. Realise that lynching MS today - and him flipping scum - and seeing who resisted the wagon and how it built up - is more info I can use tomorrow.

Also the bolded rationalisation is the most ridiculous I've ever heard of. What have you ever seen from MS to think he would throw a game? Esp. one which he has declared is more prestigious than all other games.

If you think I'm scum - lynching MS is the easiest way to see me lynched tomorrow.

I am not sure if you are scum or not neither am I sure about metal. this is why I am asking you questions cos I think you will be easier to parse than metal.

@ wguerts - I did not ignore you. I am scumhunting ooba and right now I am single focused.

[ooba]

this is the logic train that you keep consistently failing wrt me despite me asking you to clarify.

I wanted to lynch sotty d2, pointed out to nacho how opportunistic sotty's vote on me was, voted her d2 and d3. I wasn't around for kagami, that happened while I was at a board game convention.

I want you to walk me through the process how I don't get town cred for lynching sotty but you wld if metal flipped scum.

he looks like scum to me, but your constant non-stop dodging my questions when I am trying to pinpoint your reasoning for your thought progression is worse.

So maybe you are town and maybe MS partner is ABR\Alch\somebody else.

Which part of "I haven't got to it yet. And I will not do it today" is hard for you to understand.

If metal looks scum to you, vote him. And I will factor that in to the analysis process tomorrow. Because right now - all I'm seeing is a whole lot of noise of the "MS is bad - but you're worse" variety.

Do you think one of us is scum? - Yes\No
Do you think town would be better off if started off with 5 town: 1 scum on Day 7? - Yes\No

Then vote him

[ooba]

I wanted to lynch sotty d2, pointed out to nacho how opportunistic sotty's vote on me was, voted her d2 and d3. I wasn't around for kagami, that happened while I was at a board game convention.

If MS flips scum, I will read all of the above before I make my decision on who to lynch next.

I've never advocated an auto "Lynch MS. If scum, lynch Mollie" because that's stupid.

I don't have the energy to do it right because I am devoting my energies to get a lynch with an fairly unresponsive town.

Against an opponent who will go to every-level to discredit\scare\make me waver from this crusade.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6363536 <-------- caught 0 scum. nope, didn't catch me either!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6344274 <-------- big version, caught 1 scum and caught SK

let me take this opportunity to shower all over your reads

If you're town, I'll say the same thing I said at the start of the day. I asked you to join me on Sotty - you did. Join me again and we'll flip scum again.