Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.1

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Cabd (2): xRECKONERx, TierShift
xRECKONERx (1): Cephrir
shos (1): Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir (1): notscience

Not Voting (6): Cabd, EddieFenix, Iecerint, Rhinox, shos, T-Bone

V/LA: notscience (April 23rd)

Deadline for Day 2 is Sunday May 3rd, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-03 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
EddieFenix	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
Rhinox	-	47
shos	-	53
T-Bone	-	51
TierShift	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	52

[Iecerint]

Hmm.

Well, if Cephrir is town and Bins flipped town, that means a lot of the last-minute push on Katsuki was town.

Shos/NS/Tiershift are just next to that.

I will process and evaluate.

[Rhinox]

sure. While you are definitely strongly townreading a few players, you have no problem with exploring any other lynches. It feels a tad like you're buddying up to the few players and keeping all other options open.It's not much of a case, it's more of a reminder to myself that you're showing somewhat opportunistic stances, just as you're doing with shos.

Thanks for elaborating, but I still don't really get this. As far as I can tell, the only thing you're really referring to is the string of posts between me, shos, and a post from ns that wasn't directed at me from 680 to 688. And from that, you concluded that I'm "exploring all avenues explorable".

First off I was voting shos at the time and he was the only player I was interested in lynching at the time. The first paragraph was all about shos so I'm not sure how it contributes to your conclusion.

The second half is just me and shos going back and forth and is not me seriously exploring anything other than forcing shos to draw a line in the sand on a particular read at a point in time. It confuses me how you draw the conclusion you do because at the time I had only seriously voted shos, I outright dismissed 2 avenues and said I was not at all willing to explore (kats and NS), and I only humored shos to force him to defend why he thought you were scum. At the very very very most I can see how you would think that maybe I was considering exploring voting you at that point in time, if you're only surface reading words and not really understanding what was going on. But I wasn't, and the rest of the day don't recall ever considering voting for you or talking about you much at all other than to comment that I hadn't been paying much attention to you. And that is a far cry from "exploring all avenues explorable" and has begged the question by assuming that there is anything wrong with exploring other lynch candidates on D1 to begin with. And I mean you were just asking ceph about me NOT reconsidering on shos so at one point I'm not reconsidering at that raises your eyebrows and then another point I am reconsidering and that also raises your eyebrows so its just starting to look like you have an agenda you're trying to fit actions into rather than interpretting what the actions really mean.

Townreading him should have nothing to do with the main focus of the thread being elsewhere. Are you using the focus being elsewhere as an explanation of why you unvoted or of why you stopped scumreading him?

I never stopped scumreading him and started townreading him. I unvoted because I didn't feel there was enough support to get him lynched, and because some of my stronger townreads did not think he was scum. So I reconsidered. And also...

it's day 2 now

sure, do tell now.

I basically already said but when mollie just started calling shos town and wouldn't elaborate on it, and then when shos made 774 I had a thought that maybe mollie and shos were crumbing being masons and I didn't want to bring attention to it in thread. I've seen definitive unexplained townreads like that that usually end up having a reason and I thought 774 was like the most unsubtle thing ever had that been the case. I took my thoughts to my team tho and they pointed out that probably wasn't the case since mollie had already previously voted shos at some point but by then it was late in the day and we had a couple replacements and I wasn't going to try to start a shos wagon back up again. Shos said today he was referring to something else and here we are. FYI, here is the point it happened:

And also.... actually nevermind*. I thought I realized something but its probably nothing. Ask me about it later.

[Iecerint]

Cabd is still the most informative lynch, but scum opting not to push for Katsuki might indicate that both were town and scum were already satisfied with D1 and had emotionally checked-out.

[Iecerint]

In which case, someone who vote-parked and didn't really elaborate on his perspective is more likely to be scum.

Which immediately brings to mind Reck more than anyone else.

But I want to glance through again, since this isn't necessarily the kind of thing that makes someone stand out.

[Iecerint]

It's also possible that an earlier shift to Katsuki was scum and town just jumped in to hammer after it was inevitable, but my recollection is that Katsuki was not obviously a more "inevitable" lynch than Cabd, so I don't think this is quite as likely because scum would have gotten nervous and pushed it farther toward Katsuki in that case (unless the Katsuki wagon already had 2 scum or something maybe).

[xRECKONERx]

if Cephrir is town

or he could just be scum?

[Iecerint]

Less likely than baseline after T-Bone's claim, but still possible.

Though they could be scum together. But this seems too inelegant for that.

[Iecerint]

Regarding the double-miller thing, the original Theme game had lots of goofy stuff like that IIRC, so I don't think two millers is that implausible.

Katsuki probably neglected to claim that aspect because he had the same impression.

[Cephrir]

T-Bone's play actually makes a shitload of sense as scum with me. Shame I'm not scum.

[Iecerint]

Cephrir being scum would explain Katsuki being the lynch, but it would also highly imply that Cephrir was scum with Cabd.

[Iecerint]

T-Bone, if you had negative results on both Eddie and Cephrir, why did you only reach out to Cephrir?

[Iecerint]

You may decline to answer.

[xRECKONERx]

highly imply that Cephrir was scum with Cabd.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING

[Iecerint]

I think I have figured out your intentions now that I have reflected on it.

Answer however you think best.

[Iecerint]

highly imply that Cephrir was scum with Cabd.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING

See, my concern with this is that scumReck is probably going to stick to his talking points on this stuff, so the fact that you endorse that viewpoint makes me more wary of it, even when there's some unrelated circumstantial stuff that's consistent with it.

[Cephrir]

if i was scum with cabd i'd have tried harder instead of dithering for like 48 hours

[Iecerint]

Like, my impression is that you think that mainly because you already thought it, rather than that you are actually evaluating who is scum based on what is happening in the game.

[Cephrir]

Like, my impression is that you think that mainly because you already thought it, rather than that you are actually evaluating who is scum based on what is happening in the game.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING

[Rhinox]

Actually TS I'm moving from "interested in your thought process" to "your points are just bad and scummy as hell"

Anyway if you are coming off shos scum take a look at Rhinox, I need a shower.

Marking this as lead for NK

orly? so lemme show you what I just found rereading bins and copper:

ts, shos, ice,

rhinox for pretty town

So I killed copper because he thought I might be scum even though copper got force-replaced for bins who put me in his "pretty town" pile?

Turns out bins was a great guy and I wish he could have stuck around longer because I agree with how amusing this is:

I am a miller.

I agree with claiming past roles, particularly given my previous role:

1-shot BP Miller (Aligned with mafia. Yes, miller aligned with mafia)

This game is pretty high-profile and run by smart people.

There's absolutely no way they would allow setup spec based on the previous game to be useful for town here -- that would be terrible modding.

i found this funny but i'll probably never mention it again

juxtaposed with this:

Fortunately we have the other setup to reflect on. It had a million investigative roles presumably intended to eventually cause the town to realize we should stop thinking about counterclaims. That much, perhaps, we can take as a lesson here.

there are just too many scum in this game and maybe I do want to lynch you all and this is totally a conspiracy against me!

[Iecerint]

I had not noticed that silly Bins post from yesterday. lol.

[Cephrir]

I'm not really doing setup spec though

I'm advocating not doing setup spec

[Iecerint]

It's not about hypocrisy. The implication is that you are a mafia miller who thought it was unfair that discussion of a mafia miller in the previous game would invite scrutiny into your role.

That's a good response to it, though.

[Cephrir]

So basically the premise is that I'm retarded!

Man people have low opinions of me in this game. It's pretty tiring

[xRECKONERx]

tbf