8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[ZZZX]

looking at my own posts makes me feeling creepy >>

[ooba]

Fuck
This metal probably is scum with this counter wagon.

Wgeurts - change your venge then.

[ooba]

Again the speed of the wagon doesn't give anyone pause.

Who's he scum with?
- Not me, I know my alignment - Ooba Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)

The following people are voting him right now

Alchemist Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)

GreyICE (TBD)

Metal Sonic (team nocaps)

ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

He was ready for a Zar lynch earlier today
Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)

Which leaves movie - but she's would have probably voted MS long before to have both of us lynched if she was scum with Wgeurts
Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)

Mislynch. Clean and simple.

There's no way anybody goes "If Nacho is town, we lynch Kagami?"

[Alchemist21]

Hmm.. Ooba has a point. And ABR wants me to unvote.

UNVOTE:

[Alchemist21]

@ZZZX; @Ooba;

Who are your top picks for scum right now?

[ooba]

@ZZZX; @Ooba;

Who are your top picks for scum right now?

MS.

[GreyICE]

There's no way anybody goes "If Nacho is town, we lynch Kagami?"

Except for one important point: Kagami wanted to be bussed.

If kagami's town I'm blacklisting her, I don't even.

While I understand the sentiment, my behavior will be pretty well explained when the team PTs are opened at the end of this event.

Sufficed to say, team mafia has been a very negative experience for me.

Stuff like this says the scum QT was full of "I'm playing poorly" and "I might as well just lurk and hammer whoever". We don't know what the fuck was going on in the team thread, and it doesn't matter at all, but Kagami did not want to be playing and did not want to live.

[ooba]

There's no way anybody goes "If Nacho is town, we lynch Kagami?"

Except for one important point: Kagami wanted to be bussed.

If kagami's town I'm blacklisting her, I don't even.

While I understand the sentiment, my behavior will be pretty well explained when the team PTs are opened at the end of this event.

Sufficed to say, team mafia has been a very negative experience for me.

Stuff like this says the scum QT was full of "I'm playing poorly" and "I might as well just lurk and hammer whoever". We don't know what the fuck was going on in the team thread, and it doesn't matter at all, but Kagami did not want to be playing and did not want to live.

Granted. I can see that happening.

But a lot of our interactions today felt really town.

Anyways, partner?

[quadz08]

VOTECOUNT 5.5

Metal Sonic (3) - Ooba, wgeurts, Pirate Mollie
wgeurts (2) - Metal Sonic, ZZZX

Not Voting (3) - Zar, GreyICE, Alchemist

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

[Alchemist21]

@ZZZX; @Ooba;

Who are your top picks for scum right now?

MS.

Who would his partner be?

[ooba]

@ZZZX; @Ooba;

Who are your top picks for scum right now?

MS.

Who would his partner be?

I had it as mollie - but her voting him actually makes me reconsider.
You were and are my next best choice.

[GreyICE]

Anyways, partner?

Zar's vote has been living in the right place, even if he has milk carton posting rates
Mollie seems meh on so many levels.
You're a solid choice for a Wguerts partner, no questions. I like your posting, but the only concrete thing we got about Seraphim is he ran away from his Sotty vote day 1. And he thinks his own posts are terrible.
ZZZX seems no.
MS would be... bizarre. They'd have had to decide to spend the entire game sniping at each other.
Alchemist... was town reading ABR so strongly. Dunno why ABR is suddenly town reading Wguerts though.

So yeah, my thought is Mollie or you.

[GreyICE]

Actually wait.

The bullshit MS Chivalry argument on SilverWolf.

HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN THAT SORT OF SHIT BEFORE FROM MS?

[GreyICE]

HOW DID I FORGET ABOUT THAT SHIT

GOD READING HIS ISO WAS NOT FUN

[GreyICE]

Long posts kill my vibe but that's for the TLDR conclusion.

Conclusion

GreyICE's reasoning for his initial Sotty push was indeed for the 'wrong' reasons, and these only became apparent when I obliged him to write a longer paragraph detailing his thought processes. His actions after the wagon has started indicate a laid-back approach, as if he was expecting a large reward (town-cred) in return for his Sotty "push" -- the lack of true conviction in wanting a real scum lynched as compared to attempts receive the towncred is shown. Finally, both Sotty's and GreyICE's interactions and trajectories with regard to Hoopla are twisted, baffling, and bewildering, suggesting that they are scum together while performing an intricate strategy.

You think Grey v me is scum v scum but when this is actually going down you pretty much sat the fence, attacking me along side Grey while calling his point absurd (post 127) As for baffling Hoopla interactions you still haven't explained the Hoopla case, or if you did it was lost in your big posts. Instead you referred again to someone elses "bad case" as if that should explain everything. It doesn't.

Sotty:

I haven't played my normal game because of the nature of the game/playerlist, not for any shitty "Team Mafia" reasons. In this type of game, it's important to either A) form a strong town block of people and push the rest of the game out, or B) find two or three scum early game, run them into the ground, then let paranoia run a bit more rampant once you've built a comfortable lead. I'm hoping to do a combination of both approaches, but needed time to form more solid reads and see where the lines in the sand started forming before I got involved myself.

I just miss supertown Nacho. I don't really like TeamMafia Nacho that much. He's too dialed down.

I re-read Kagami and I'm leaning town. His reasoning around his GreyScum read actually work pretty well for me. GreyICE did start to peel off me once the Vengeful plan was laid out and then has filtered back towards me after it's been pretty clear we're not doing that. At the time ICE would have been my pick hands down. Not so much right now, Seraphim maybe even Metal would be serious contenders for me at this point. But Kagami's point against Grey actually holds some weight. ScumICE could have easily backed off in an effort to self preserve. I get the feeling Kagami's scum reads are because he is holding an unpopular opinion which makes him easy fodder.

This looks MS town though...

[GreyICE]

No I'm right.

I like my vote.

This stays.

[pirate mollie]

wge if you are town state your venge and hammer. if someone lynched metal in this state it will be a mass confusion which is anti town.

why wld he do that when town has abandoned the venge kill plan in the first place?

[pirate mollie]

There's no way anybody goes "If Nacho is town, we lynch Kagami?"

Except for one important point: Kagami wanted to be bussed.

If kagami's town I'm blacklisting her, I don't even.

While I understand the sentiment, my behavior will be pretty well explained when the team PTs are opened at the end of this event.

Sufficed to say, team mafia has been a very negative experience for me.

Stuff like this says the scum QT was full of "I'm playing poorly" and "I might as well just lurk and hammer whoever". We don't know what the fuck was going on in the team thread, and it doesn't matter at all, but Kagami did not want to be playing and did not want to live.

Granted. I can see that happening.

But a lot of our interactions today felt really town.

Anyways, partner?

WTF I POINTED THIS OUT EARLIER

THIS IS WHY I THINK THIS FUCKING IS 1 GIANT SAUSAGEFEST COS NOT 1 PERSON RESPONDED WHEN I POINTED THIS OUT.

UNVOTE:

[ooba]

I get that you also brought it up earlier.

Why the unvote though?

[pirate mollie]

I get that you also brought it up earlier.

Why the unvote though?

cos you did not acknowledge it when I brought it up and you are acting like grey just presented this new and shiny thing that you had not thought of before. and lingering paranoia that you and grey are scum together.

[Alchemist21]

wge if you are town state your venge and hammer. if someone lynched metal in this state it will be a mass confusion which is anti town.

This post is bugging me a bit too. Not for the reason Mollie said though. Why are you asking someone to self-hammer if they're Town? Self-hammering is the definition of anti-Town.

[pirate mollie]

fuck it. I am sticking with what I was doing.

VOTE: metal

[ooba]

No I'm right.

I like my vote.

This stays.

Went through his ISO. While nothing was too strong to post 'this is categorically town' - he hits a lot of the right notes. I tried even seeing if there's a particular player he wants protected in the lynch->if town->if scum lynches, and I really couldn't find any angles from his posts.

He's also really hit some of the same paranoia notes that I have. If he's scum, he's faked that pretty well.

Overall: I still think MS is a much better lynch.

(Now obviously you have as a possible-wgeurts-partner, so take that how you will.)

[GreyICE]

As much as I like voting people trying to lynch me (they really do tend to flip scum) I remain remarkably unconvinced on MS. The lying stuff early game was awful, but this has been super town play.

Also I'm tired of having my vote cajoled around. If I'd played the fucking asshole and death tunneled my scum reads off the bat and told ABR to go shove his head up his ass, we'd probably be like... 8:2.

Wguerts is scum.

[Alchemist21]

D1:

Kagami (4) -

ZZZX

,

Nachomamma8

,

GreyICE

,

wgeurts

Hoopla (4) -

Seraphim

,

Metal Sonic

,

EddieFenix

,

Kagami

Green = prob town
Blue = town bloc
Red = people i dont mind seeing fried

i dont like how half of hoopla is people i like seeing fried.

Metal join the kagami wagon. I am liking it more atm

Kagami wasn't in organic chemistry, I'm not sure what he's talking about.

vezok has made a mistake, he remembered the wrong player

carry on.




@ABR lol we couldnt even get a Hoopla lynch, it's not possible to lynch nacho today regardless

Metal if I sheep you on hoopla will you sheep me on kagami 2moro?

Kagami wasn't in organic chemistry, I'm not sure what he's talking about.

vezok has made a mistake, he remembered the wrong player

carry on.




@ABR lol we couldnt even get a Hoopla lynch, it's not possible to lynch nacho today regardless

Metal if I sheep you on hoopla will you sheep me on kagami 2moro?

i dont sheep anybody sorry!!

You used to

but If at least 1-2 more join the other wagon I dont mind jumping on it.

Vote:Hoopla

...

D2:

Vote: Kagami

Nacho

Put a vote down zzzy. Let's see where you stand

I shall follow you this once.
VOTE: Nacho
Idk if my mind will change later when i wake up but. my lynch list looks like:

Kagami/serph/nacho.

Most wanted >>> Less wanted

but any is fine so far I believe.

Did anyone notice this about ZZZX? He voted Hoopla despite 2 scumreads on the wagon, and said he wanted Kagami lynched the next Day after Hoopla.

Then

when there was 1 vote on Kagami and 1 vote on Nacho, he voted Nacho.

I'm comfortable with a vote here.

VOTE: ZZZX