8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[GreyICE]

I think you're missing some really important context.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: kagami

hehe

There was a general "fuck Hoopla" thing there.

[Alchemist21]

I think you're missing some really important context.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: kagami

hehe

There was a general "fuck Hoopla" thing there.

That's a small part of what I'm getting at. The important thing is that when D2 came around he chose to vote Nacho over Kagami despite his previously expressed desire to lynch Kagami D2.

[GreyICE]

Cool. Wguerts did the same thing.

Help me here.

[Alchemist21]

Ok.

VOTE: Wgeurts

That's L-1.

[Zar]

Why is he town? cus he does one post every week which is prob crafted to be a mechanic as possible? he didnt do anything deserving of a town read. both me, nacho and prob even grey will tell you that.

I want to vote zar tbh but i dont want to fail nacho

ROBOT HERE DISAGREES WITH FAULTY LOGIC TRAIN.

As in, why are you fundamentally disagreeing with analazying associatives?

And FTR, there's no way I'm going to be your Hoopla 2.0 here. I mean, a big part of your argument for this day has been "follow the Nacho Brick Road" (yes Nacho, you're going to have to pay me royalties after branding your plan), which as much as it got us two scum I will say isn't infallible since I know I'm town and GreyICE is very much confirmed town at this stage. Besides, evaluating and re-reading for partnerships is the actual correct play here since a) there is no such thing as a "scum bloc" anymore and b) rushing out to mislynching is only going to help scum to go about the venge-kills to their benefit.

ZZZX: is there a particular reason you left the VCA up to the Hoopla wagon instead of going further?

[Zar]

Yah, town can be wrong, but where are these opinions even coming from. Wguerts has never asked Sotty a single question. Go back and check. Not even ever. Kagami either. No questions, but reads erupt. He asks lots of people questions too... but not Kagami. Not Sotty.

Actually, I do have a question for wgeurts, back when you wrote the reasons to town read sotty, I responded to your read on her in 1130 but you never followed through. Why didn't you?

[Zar]

ABR keeps repeating that I have produced no content, but I have been here every day posting trying to draw up my reads. Seraphim is still very much my number one shot for scum. I'm starting to wonder a little about Nacho. He is feeling off his game. I was thinking it was because we are team mafia'ing it up but he still hasn't settled down into something that resembles a natural Nacho. GreyICE is a weird one for me. His attacks on me all game have been shitty but when he actually sits back and details things from a whole game preservative I can kinda understand where he is coming from. Metal is all over the place, I feel like he is posting a lot without really saying much. I have a town read on wgeurts, ZZZX and Zar but all of them need to post more (understanding V/LA's) Everyone else is a little bit of a blur because I have been too focused on batting away the attacks on me, but I am hoping to look though over the weekend and sort what is left.

Here Sotty doesn't really give a read on ABR's slot; still pushing Seraphim and has wish-wash on both Nacho and GI. The only other slot she's seems to not mention so far are Kagami and Eddie, Eddie she responded to regarding GreyICE but never commented on her opinion of that slot.

I was going to say I wasn't sure Sotty was the type to forget metioning a partner (I honestly think it's more likely for scum to mention them somewhere) but realize Kagami was avoided talking about here. I guess Kagami was already too much in the limelight and Sotty didn't want to be held to her opinion on that slot at the time?

[Zar]

I'm happy with my Mollie vote right now.

Comes into the game with a strong GreyScum read but never really details why. Acknowledges a bad past with ABR and if they really had such a bad blow out I have no idea why she would want to jump in this game if not to make ABR look bad. Now the townie lone wolf is just fixated on her and the more personal it gets the worse ABR comes out looking. I can easily believe this was a scum tactic to but ABR back in lynching play. I also didn't like her attack on wgeurts playing credibility. I had no idea about any of those games she was talking about and considering that wgeurts has been playing relatively decently here, it just seemed like a shot below the belt to remove any kind of cred he may have been building in the game. "Watch out for wgeurts he screwed up these games in the past!" There was no need for that. It just looks like she jumped in to bail out Eddie and to just implode the town which she has really succeeded in.

Thinking this through, this looks a bit like throw everything including the kitchen-sink kinda vote on mollie. Since I really doubt Sotty and GreyICE are partnered based on how everything between them went, I'd expect part of her vote here to be reacting to a vote on a partner more than trying to vote for cred, so I'm guessing Sotty/mollie is unlikely.

[pirate mollie]

I am following you zar.

its just that if abr is scum then he takes butthurt to an entirely new level. but wguerts feels like a cw to metal.

there are 2 players in this game that I think scum!kagami wld give up on as a scumpartner and that is abr and grey. I can see sotty doing that too.

I am not kidding tho what he did was some of the sleaziest slimiest play if he is scum.

[Alchemist21]

Hi, Mollie.

[pirate mollie]

hi alchey

[Alchemist21]

Titus says MS is Egg getting married level Town.

[pirate mollie]

Titus says MS is Egg getting married level Town.

did she ever answer if she played with wguerts? if she has, can I have links to the games?

also for other pple who do not know what this is reference to this is to the uncouth game where titus had nobody special as town (so did I, I was nked after only 10 posts but titus had scum as a town read). she is saying that egg, who replaced nobody special as town is metal in this game who she thinks is town.

the problem I am having is I feel like metal has made some spectacularly scummy posts.

[Alchemist21]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=60427

Just that one. ZZZX was in a hydra with Wisdom, I was there, ABR was there, wgeurts was there, and Titus was there.

[pirate mollie]

there are 2 players that I find it likely that kagami wld go down in the way that she did.

grey and abr. to a lateral possibility degree, metal, which is why I am voting him. pple are giving IMO grey a town pass for dumb reasons and I can't find the words to express what I will feel if abr is scum and pulled this stunt. like I said, it takes butthurt to an astronomical level but his replace was weird since no1 was fighting with him.

[pirate mollie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=60427

Just that one. ZZZX was in a hydra with Wisdom, I was there, ABR was there, wgeurts was there, and Titus was there.

thanks, looking at it now

[Alchemist21]

Titus just told me Egg made bad hammers, and T-bone pinged when he said she had no right to call the hammers bad, and his slot had been scummy before and after that.

She also said wgeurts is flailing amd trying to enter any townblock possible, and dismantling others.

Re ABR: He said he burned some bridges in this game, and could either try to salvage them or switch out.

[pirate mollie]

Titus just told me Egg made bad hammers, and T-bone pinged when he said she had no right to call the hammers bad, and his slot had been scummy before and after that.

She also said wgeurts is flailing amd trying to enter any townblock possible, and dismantling others.

Re ABR: He said he burned some bridges in this game, and could either try to salvage them or switch out.

I agree that wguerts is trying to form a town bloc w/o having any idea how to do so. I am not sure that makes him scum tho..

glork and I rammed his lynch through in reck's rehash game. in varsoon game jon got the bright idea of listening to him and vigged 1 town and town voted all the while ignoring scum!skull.

the reason that I asked titus about the game is cos it seemed like wguerts asking for titus to do a vca was a strange thing to ask for unless he had seen titus do it successfully. I have only seen titus do it successfully in uncouth (sort of, ap was a bad call) but it cld have been resolved through nka IMO.

and I do not think that metal has done 1 thing that he cld not fake as scum.

I am trying to sort things out.

[Alchemist21]

Titus just told me Egg made bad hammers, and T-bone pinged when he said she had no right to call the hammers bad, and his slot had been scummy before and after that.

She also said wgeurts is flailing amd trying to enter any townblock possible, and dismantling others.

Re ABR: He said he burned some bridges in this game, and could either try to salvage them or switch out.

I agree that wguerts is trying to form a town bloc w/o having any idea how to do so. I am not sure that makes him scum tho..

glork and I rammed his lynch through in reck's rehash game. in varsoon game jon got the bright idea of listening to him and vigged 1 town and town voted all the while ignoring scum!skull.

the reason that I asked titus about the game is cos it seemed like wguerts asking for titus to do a vca was a strange thing to ask for unless he had seen titus do it successfully. I have only seen titus do it successfully in uncouth (sort of, ap was a bad call) but it cld have been resolved through nka IMO.

and I do not think that metal has done 1 thing that he cld not fake as scum.

I am trying to sort things out.

Wgeurts has had some seriously inconsistent play. Same with ZZZX. They're my bets for the last 2 scum right now.

[pirate mollie]

inconsistency does not /= scum

surely you shld know this by now.

[Alchemist21]

That's one of the main things I look for. It may not = scum every time, but it does enough times to warrant looking into imo.

[pirate mollie]

That's one of the main things I look for. It may not = scum every time, but it does enough times to warrant looking into imo.

I disagree. town are inconsistent all of the time. in fact, the more static a read is for a player the more likely I am going to think them scum.

[pirate mollie]

hey wguerts!

can you tell me what espo, psyche and tboner have to say about all of this?

[Alchemist21]

That's one of the main things I look for. It may not = scum every time, but it does enough times to warrant looking into imo.

I disagree. town are inconsistent all of the time. in fact, the more static a read is for a player the more likely I am going to think them scum.

I'm not saying reads can't change, but when the reason for the change doesn't make sense, I look at it. You have to look at the reasoning behind the pushes, see what motivation they might have. I've caught scum because they've tried crappy pushes, more recently I've caught some because they've tried forcing awkward Townreads, and once I even correctly ID'd a bus vote on a D1 scumflip and people thought I was crazy for thinking scum would have bussed.

Inconsistency doesn't simply mean a change; it means an unreasonable change.

I'm digressing here though. Let's save theory talk for post-game discussion. Why do you think MS is scum?

[pirate mollie]

I'm not saying reads can't change, but when the reason for the change doesn't make sense, I look at it. You have to look at the reasoning behind the pushes, see what motivation they might have. I've caught scum because they've tried crappy pushes, more recently I've caught some because they've tried forcing awkward Townreads, and once I even correctly ID'd a bus vote on a D1 scumflip and people thought I was crazy for thinking scum would have bussed.

Inconsistency doesn't simply mean a change; it means an unreasonable change.

I'm digressing here though. Let's save theory talk for post-game discussion. Why do you think MS is scum?

with this logic change, what makes wguerts scummier than metal?

cos I feel like metal's in thread behaviour is not town at all. he is doing the same thing as wguerts.