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No matter how much i trust ika he is not god, people can be wrong.
also i feel you are town but something is fishy about you. i cant grasp it but my gut is telling me not to trust you.[/quote]
there is nothing fishy about my play. I mean if you think there is you cld always point to it and ask me questions.
sometimes your gut tells you that you ate bad pizza. I think I hold the record for "gut scum reads" when I was not actually scum and ironically it seems to come from scum. the irony being that I am a gut player.
you are leaving me as a lynch option and there is no denying it and I am trying to understand why.whew!- ZZZX
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↑ pirate mollie wrote:
No matter how much i trust ika he is not god, people can be wrong.
also i feel you are town but something is fishy about you. i cant grasp it but my gut is telling me not to trust you.
there is nothing fishy about my play. I mean if you think there is you cld always point to it and ask me questions.
sometimes your gut tells you that you ate bad pizza. I think I hold the record for "gut scum reads" when I was not actually scum and ironically it seems to come from scum. the irony being that I am a gut player.
you are leaving me as a lynch option and there is no denying it and I am trying to understand why.[/quote]
Frankly if you followed my latest posts everyone is a lynch option for me tbh until a moment ago. you might say I am paranoid of everyone and I am still looking for the one confirmed town i can trust 100%.
about you as a lynch option think about it like this:
i have 3 town reads. and its 4p with 1 scum.
i would go for my least town read
got my logic? I honestly think nacho is right about you . I never said you are scum.Implosion: I see ZZZX was lynched. For shame, people. For shame.
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↑ pirate mollie wrote:sometimes your gut tells you that you ate bad pizza. I think I hold the record for "gut scum reads" when I was not actually scum and ironically it seems to come from scum. the irony being that I am a gut player.
as a fellow gut player I know what you mean. however most of those people are not originally gut players. I am pretty sure you know that I am a gut player.Implosion: I see ZZZX was lynched. For shame, people. For shame.
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okay then logically explain as to the scum motivation for swapping into a game with a player who cld read me with 99% accuracy.
cos no1 has been able to do that yet. and yet somehow I am in every1's lynchpool for no reasons that I can decipher.
it messes up my game cos I cannot figure out where this shit is coming from.
eta: if you think nacho was right about me (which he was, when he said don't lynch mollie ever) then why am I the "least" townread?whew!- ZZZX
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↑ pirate mollie wrote:okay then logically explain as to the scum motivation for swapping into a game with a player who cld read me with 99% accuracy.
actually this is a good point. I never thought about it this way.
btw was nacho ever wrong in reading you? (just asking)Implosion: I see ZZZX was lynched. For shame, people. For shame.
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↑ pirate mollie wrote:okay then logically explain as to the scum motivation for swapping into a game with a player who cld read me with 99% accuracy.
actually this is a good point. I never thought about it this way.
btw was nacho ever wrong in reading you? (just asking)Implosion: I see ZZZX was lynched. For shame, people. For shame.
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ZZZX, if ICE flips town.
Then what? Venge?
I'll support ooba-ZZZX block. Alch I need to make my mind up.m
Mollie, Okay what reason were for the ooba/ZZZX scum read?
What are your thoughts on ICE?"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
"let's have 2 rules against wgeurts" -DeathRowKitty
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2 GreyICE (TBD) - Town
Venge: wgeurts
6 wgeurts (Young and Beautiful) - Town
Venge: MS?
1 Alchemist Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)
2 Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
3 Ooba Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)
4 Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)
5 Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
6 ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)
ZZZX, Following Nacho's plan requires one condition. You will honour any townies vengeful lynch - irrespective of what you think.
On multiple times today, you've said "ABR and MS cannot be scum together." -> I think that's totally wrong. Do not throw the game on that. If we follow Nacho's plan - do I have your word on that?
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ZZZX, she's stated this point before
And others have
"i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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↑ ZZZX wrote:↑ pirate mollie wrote:sometimes your gut tells you that you ate bad pizza. I think I hold the record for "gut scum reads" when I was not actually scum and ironically it seems to come from scum. the irony being that I am a gut player.
as a fellow gut player I know what you mean. however most of those people are not originally gut players. I am pretty sure you know that I am a gut player.
then explain how are you pivoting the game with a gut scumread on me cos I don't understandwhew!- wgeurts
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Mollie,
I don't think ZZZX actually has a scum read on you. I don't think he's spent too much time actually considering you really."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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I will honor any vengeful. That much I promise.
Also no Mollie I don't have you as expendable. Happy? Sigh you are making this way more serious than it has ever been.Implosion: I see ZZZX was lynched. For shame, people. For shame.
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I am calling you out on your shit reasoning for me being an expendable lynch when you are not reading me as scum.
in this list:
↑ ZZZX wrote:↑ wgeurts wrote:ZZZX what was your plan?
Leave the main conflict till last?
Why don't we compromise, lynch Metal now to end the conflict and then us two figure out the rest. Metal's flip will shed light on my and ooba's alignment, my flip will just show that my wagon was a counter wagon to MS.
I OFFERED YOU MINE AND OOBA'S VOTE, WHY WOULD I DO THAT AS SCUM?
frankly let me give you a really simple thing to look at
at ooba and metal there is a MAX of 1 scum.
if we lynch everyone but:
Grey
Metal
ooba
me
alchemist
then we are 95% sure to get a scum already,
once we get a scum it will a 4v1
we can lynch both metal and ooba then, and then if we didnt hit scum (which will be rare) it will be a 3p lylo which we can handle easily (we will never reach this unless some dark magic happens anyway)
while you get rid of metal now if they were actually town like my hunch then following ur plan it will be a 5p lylo 3 days later.
the pple you are leaving out are me, zarella and wguerts.
me - for unknown reasons other than gut which is terribly wrong, but supposedly I am not a legitimate
zarella - for lurking, low active poster
wguerts - for something, I am sure
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↑ pirate mollie wrote:
ank has ooba and zzthing as a scumteam.bulba is yelling at me for voting metal. I have yet to see a good reason as to why metal is town except for nacho's and a bit of the aTe. if ooba is scum then comes down to a definitive fuck you to ooba from me.
this is where I am at.
I kinda wanna lynch grey now cos of the fade on pinpointed scumreads. I feel like he is trying to blend in.
eta: oh wow a grey wagon has sprung up. zzthing where did you mention that looked at organic chemistry? cld you plz link?
Ank must think I'm a high higher class of scum player than I actually am. This would not have been my entry as a replacement to the game:
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Mollie excuse me but....
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
I told you I WAS WRONG NO NEED TO RUB IT EVERY 3 posts FOR FUCKS SAKE
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IGETIT yes my read was wrong okey
Do you want me to write it on stone next?Implosion: I see ZZZX was lynched. For shame, people. For shame.
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Replies to all of you: beginning page 127
yeah i have a phone but some responses are too long to type on a phone and those things were posted at an ungodly hour for me. like how ooba gave me a sunday surprise but luckily it was sunday and not any other day.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:↑ Metal Sonic wrote:
Huh! this is allowed! I should have done that when i was crying
but it is a one-shot thing. maybe i shouldnt.
hi alchemist!! I reade you as a bit town in your game but wasnt strong enough to call molla to STOP YOUR WAGON. I was right
erm. this has already happened in this game as in I swapped with eddie?
i thought that players can only swap before day 2. so after day 2 i was surprised that abr cld swap. but actually i learned that dead players can swap in at any time.
w.r.t wgeurts the issues already self resolving. will post holistically later.
ok this guy really has issues. too many absolutes. a problem that mollie helped me to cure
this is where i begin to think that you are town, honestly. It clearly makes sense to me why I was your top town read during your read-through Day 1 and then stuttered down. and its complicated.
i want you to give me the benefit of the doubt. this is essentially what your read boils down to "MS's play makes no sense to me" and it is the root of the problem.
it's me, not you.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:I mean I can sit back and just be a bargaining piece of chattel cos that is more or less how you, zzthing and metal are treating me.
mollie i need to have a word with you. postgame.
me and grey were the first people to get sotty scum. nacho later endorsed it. you came into the picture only much later and somehow you want to claim credit for what we have been working on. look i give credit where credit is due, even if I was scumreading grey the entire time and I wanted every1 to lynch him but nacho said NO and I listened.
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:
I'm discussing things with Titus and BBT right now. They're both running VCA's. We're all in agreement MS is likely Town, and 1.4 here shows he was a likely counterwagon to two players that flipped scum.
Personally, I think that interaction between Ooba and Mollie looks like Town-Town, and Wgeurts went away when I pointed out an incinsistency in his play. I'm thinking a wgeurts-greyIce team is likely, and Titus and BBT agree with at least the wgeurts lynch (they both think Ooba could be scum, and Titus has ZZZX in her lynchpool, but that's her least confident read.)
VOTE: wgeurts
If you guys still want to do Nacho's plan, I could switch to GI.
I DID NOT notice this. wow. hindsight is 20/20. I was a counterwagon to 2 scum, and in my mafia experience it should clear me as town. but that only happened once in my first game ever, and nope! I got lynched anyway. but yeah, tidbits.
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:mollie it is 2 am in the morning and I am going to die in the night again!
I work best under pressure ----> remember red wedding mafia I caught scum only at l-1 and I flipped town but 1. town didn't listen to me 2. I died
Let's not have any of that happening in this game cos I want to be involved every part of this game unfold
mollie u didnt respond to thiss!
3231 is comedic. quote the whole fucking wall and post a 1 line reply like that is just caught scum. speaking of which ooba it appears you fail to rebut my case!
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:
She said no, and you should be talking with your team about what you should be doing as Town.
Lol.
please ooba, tell me what I should be doing as town. please mollie, tell me what I should be doing as town.
Ooba a little message here:
If you're town, and you genuinely believe that venging me is the best move for the town, I WILL honour your venge. I trust that you are level headed.
If you're scum, ha ha!
Here's the same test for you w/r/t game awareness that I gave wgeurts earlier, if you see this please reply:
Why did I strongly disagree with a vengeful plan Day 1?
then venge zar you moron
because nobody is going to honor it regardless of what you flip, genius
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:We've got MS, ZZZX, and Mollie who've all played with me.
I don't actually remember you bro! I do remember asking you about your Kirito avatar but that is the best memory I have, sorry~
this sounds familiar....
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:i am going to fight you as hard as I can.
so I guess he learned what to do as town then...?
Lol. Scum are only 2 people. Town dominate the game. Thats why I like town as nightless, i'm unkillable (or so I thought) and fuck scum.
What exactly is this referring to?
The fastest wagons in the game were the ones that lynched scum. My wagon grew fast... up to 2. I begged ZZZX to give 24 more hours to ~test something~, and lo and behold! What has sprung up in the meantime could not possibly have been from scum, hence I am probably not scum. But lets continue!
I think you ignored the entirety of GreyICE's case and that is very bad!
you actually expect people to read your cases when you don't read theirs? hypocrite.
w.r.t Kagami's sad post, I read "team PTs" as her <team> PT with Cabd, rather than scum PTs. I've seen Kagami-scum as brilliant before, see Inuyasha Mafia and Serum and Steel. Meanwhile check out Touhou 2 by GIF. It was a disappointment for me to see Kagami's scumgame so poor.
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ROBOT HERE DISAGREES WITH FAULTY LOGIC TRAIN.
As in, why are you fundamentally disagreeing with analazying associatives?
And FTR, there's no way I'm going to be your Hoopla 2.0 here. I mean, a big part of your argument for this day has been "follow the Nacho Brick Road" (yes Nacho, you're going to have to pay me royalties after branding your plan), which as much as it got us two scum I will say isn't infallible since I know I'm town and GreyICE is very much confirmed town at this stage. Besides, evaluating and re-reading for partnerships is the actual correct play here since a) there is no such thing as a "scum bloc" anymore and b) rushing out to mislynching is only going to help scum to go about the venge-kills to their benefit.
ZZZX: is there a particular reason you left the VCA up to the Hoopla wagon instead of going further?
Stop asking questions and start providing reads holy SHIT
your logic is so good but your overall presence is SO USELESS
who do you think is scum at this point in time? would you be so kind to provide reasons why?
i think you are scum and playing perfectly crafted posts to be immune to my scanning but because of relativity you are lagging far behind.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:I feel like metal has made some spectacularly scummy posts.
mollie we need to have a chat post game. like it is #1 urgency.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:↑ Alchemist21 wrote:That's one of the main things I look for. It may not = scum every time, but it does enough times to warrant looking into imo.
I disagree. town are inconsistent all of the time. in fact, the more static a read is for a player the more likely I am going to think them scum.
this feels like a poke to me
I only made my reads static only recently cause I was letting scum OFF THE HOOK because I fell for their toxic words.
I think my organic chem play was even more inconsistent than my town play so theres that!
ooba don't you ever wonder why it took SO MUCH COERCION from you to get him to VENGE me
lets be logical here
wgeurts yells loudly that im scum and I should die -> his first venge should be me
wgeurts never thought that grey was scum -> why did he pussyfoot to grey then ABR then ONLY AFTER YOU MADE HIM DO IT then me?
I honestly can't see this from good town play or good scum play so let me call it bad flailing.
its true and you know it.
↑ ooba wrote:↑ Metal Sonic wrote:He tried to venge Abr and grey.
You may want to ask yourself why he isn't venging me or zar if we are both his top scumreads.
Ooba isn't thinking.
Grey venge was a knee-jerk reaction. ABR-venge is in line with his thoughts all throughout the day.
now you are making up reasons to fit the conclusion that "wgeurts cannot be scum" in your mind + "MS is conf scum NO NO NO" in your mind.
this is not a point against wgeurts. its my comment about your thought process which I am making all efforts to figure out because for ~magic~ zzzx has you as really high town. I want to understand it.
yeah well why did you change? "because I made a deal to ooba"
thats worse than ooba's reasons for voting me like.
talk about "makes no sense"
I countered this:
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:
If you don't honour the town block that nacho set,
You have already shown that the town has gone to nothing
And nacho's plan would never have worked from the beginning.
with this.
↑ ooba wrote:↑ Metal Sonic wrote:His thoughts were "zar is scum" and "sonic is scum". He was helping you all the way today in pushing for my mislynch.
Before he posted the above venge, I was about to post something along "looking at wgeurts venge choices, I'm never honoring his venge". Ah, but I guess that now it's on me, it makes me shady doesn't it.
The top sentence talks about him as if he was scum. If he's scum, we're obviously not honouring the venge.
The bottom sentence doesn't make sense - we go ahead with a town vengeful lynch irrespective of how wishy-washy you personally think that town was.
Oh yeah, I was phone posting. different things altogether.
↑ wgeurts wrote:
Varying levels of frustration and more when we actually got 2 scum lynches in a row.
Why were you frustrated when we got 2 scum lynches in a row?
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Nacho's plan never included wge in the town block. But it has ooba in it. That is why I am fidgety, because I think that ooba is playing extremely well from a scum perspective but reasonably paranoid (an oxymoron) from a town
Wasn't the other half of the Nacho plan to keep following his scumreads until a Townflip? It seemed earlier you liked the plan because it had given us 2 scum and hadn't been wrong yet. It seems like you've praised one half of the plan, but you're saying the other half was never going to work out.
P-edit: Ah. Remind me what the full Townblock of Nacho's looks like.
↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:Mollie doesn't die.
Ooba doesn't die.
ABR doesn't die.
Metal Sonic doesn't die.
ZZZX doesn't die.
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:
Mollie said the wgeurts wagon looked like a CW to you as well, but I didn't see you say anything to her about it.
She didnt put in the magic words "likely scum counterwagon".
Counterwagon is counterwagon. it is a noun.
"likely scum" is just painting it as scum. that is a different thing that wgeurts is trying to do.
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:If MS flips Town I'd personally much rather lynch wgeurts over Ooba.
This is why I am looking hard at wgeurts. If I make the assumption that ooba is town, then wgeurts and... someone that he is bussing hard will be scum.
His pattern is to call someone scummy but not vote them. So we use that pattern.
not use pre-determined-in-your-head-patterns when the player you're looking at, is blatantly unorthodox!!
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:"Ooba would be a cuckold?"
I posted that and it was a bit nasty because it was 2 in the morning. I apologise for any offence caused.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuckold
pretty damn urgent
and I thought you were going to venge alch
and I thought alch was following his scum game.
wow
um you done a 180 to try to mislynch me
of course the town will do the right thing and save me
ooba done a 180 too but 1. he is on nacho's town block 2. he has reasons even if they are wrong 3. he doesnt change his venge 3 times randomly
hey I changed my read on greyice okay!!! and ooba too (a bit)
I am going to try to talk to him as if he is town. I tried that earlier when he was talking to me like I was town but his cooperation = 0
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:So I am going to fight you like I would normally have.
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↑ wgeurts wrote:
Before:
Ooba's in that list Sonic,
ICE will venge Alchemist
Alchemist doesn't have full game knowledge and will probably fuck up
Yeah I'm pretty sure this a GREAT plan
I'll lynch ICE but if she flips town I'm going to not touch the venge.
Meaning you're going to need 100% of the other town on any wagon to succeed.
it's amazing what putting a knife on someone's neck can do to people.
i had one placed next to mine.
wgeurt had one placed on his
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I think i read someone tell me i did only vca until hoopla, but thats bullshit and lies.
its the 2nd thing i hate most as mafia, lying about things I did and the truth is i didnt.
and yo sonic.Implosion: I see ZZZX was lynched. For shame, people. For shame.
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Subject: InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)
Birds of Prey wrote:Titus's awesome wall of win
Version 2
Town no one should ever vote for
ProHawk - Claim CCs flipped scum before flip. The setup would naturally have a role like his in it. Early voted scum.
Oversoul - Scum chainsawing his slot Day 1. Town as it can get.
Beastcharizard - Rhaego stops bussing to vote Beast. It makes zero sense to stop bussing the buddy with the larger wagon to vote a buddy with a smaller wagon.
Zmuffin - Both confirmed scum voting him Day 2 early with no incentive to bus.
Probable town
Lord Mhok - Again voting patterns here.
SG - Double Voter claim, voted scum early. When she voted NC, two confirmed scum came on after her.
Neil1113 - Neighborhood.
Penguin Alien - Neighbirhood.
The Goat - Liked his early vote on YnB. Has not gotten in the way of scum wagons. He hasn't helped them either. Hasn't claimed N4 investigation. Weak lean town. He's the second weakest.
Egg - Caught Aronis scum. Has a problem with voting town without investigative help. I am paranoid both Egg and Aronis were scum. I wouldn't disagree with people townreading Egg fully though.
Null
Notscience - total lurksack. Hasn't cast a vote yet Day 5. TSO had to be dragged to vote YnB despite scumreading them. It was an early vote though.
Action Dan - He gets bumped up due to his efforts to communicate earlier without buzzwords or spam. I am not liking his lack of pushes towards scum suspects but he's at least trying to defend his YnB town position.
SK suspect
Shos - He flip flops on town v scum on a daily basis. Within each day he's consistent. Today, he is playing scum apologist despite the same people he's defending wanting him dead for so long without reasons. That makes zero sense unless he plans to kill them at night. He said Kagami slipped but no vote earlier. Now he's denying an obvious scumclaim from Kagami and trying to put lipstick on YnB's pig claim.
Scum suspect pool
- Killing the SK practically wins us the game. No honey. It puts us with 4likely scum in an 18 player pool. Bad OMGUS/SK on me.Kagami
Majiffy - Voteparked on shos. If his puppetry has an investigation, he should claim it already or start working with people. Has not engaged with people beyond shos. That is scum indicator that shos is the sk. It would explain missing kills.
- Hasn't done anything but misfirect, tunnel town and make an obvious bus vote. Fake claim is fake.Young and Beautiful
- Vouched for bad claim. Argued for no lynch on Leminiscate after bad bus trajectory. Never pushed xoelf as scum despite votepark. Satires BoP rather than producing contentBBMolla
Subject: InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)
Cephrir wrote:
notscience has been endgamed. He was.Kohaku, Town Human Shardholder Puppet
ActionDan has been endgamed. He was.Kaede, Town Human Poison Doctor
Egg has been endgamed. He was.Myoga, Town Demon Nonconsecutive Tracker
The-- consisting of:Naraku Mafia
;BBmolla -- Naraku, Naraku Mafia Demon Commutifier 1-shot Reviver 1-shot Self-Protector
; andYoung and Beautiful -- Byakuya, Naraku Mafia Demon Roleblocker 1-shot Double Roleblocker
...Kagami -- Kanna, Naraku Mafia Demon Nonconsecutive Modified Redirector
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