White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

To me, it makes much more sense to push your first scum read then, no?

As a scum flip from Regfan makes CES more likely to be scum, in your opinion.

I understand voting CES because it's the bigger wagon but it's not like you're short on time.

[Cheery Dog]

We're done to 4 and a half days left, I think that's time enough to start looking at the other options, as I'm only going to have one more completely free day this week, and that doesn't count myself getting distracted.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.15

Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Ankamius, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee, Cheery Dog
Aneninen (2) - Zachrulez, Regfan
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika
Cheery Dog (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
ika (1) - theelkspeaks

Not Voting (2) - Aneninen, Tammy

With 11 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, April 25, 2015, at 4:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-04-25 16:30:00).

Moderator Comments

Equinox is V/LA until April 22.
Regfan is V/LA until April 22.
BlueBloodedToffee is V/LA until April 23.

[Aneninen]

I have a very busy day so it's possible that I won't show up 'till tomorrow.

[Zachrulez]

Where are Regfan and CES?

I was just sleeping.

I'll be the first to say just in case it's true: our scum team here is Cheery Dog, ika and Regfan

(despite the town token).

Vote: Cheery Dog

'marble, with me!

Note bolded. Where did this comment come from? Regfan had not yet posted claiming his use of town tokens.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Zach, did that CES discussion happen with your team?

[Zachrulez]

I was just looking through posts and found that this morning.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I get that.

You said you wanted to have a discussion with your team over the weekend about CES.

I'm inquiring as to whether that happened, and if it did, what was said?

[Zachrulez]

Everything that's come up regarding that I've pretty much already said. We replaced Marquis' slot, and Jason hasn't really said much more on it, so I'm mostly depending on Sotty catching up there now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, how far along is she?

[Zachrulez]

Page 17

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hmm, we only have four days left...

[Zachrulez]

I know that, but I can't physically force her to read the game faster. It's not like I can't make a call on my own either, I would just prefer to have her caught up and have her reads to work with.

[Zachrulez]

Regfan, Sotty is curious about what your team's preferred games were.

[Tammy]

I feel like such crap.

Zach - I think you're picking up a thread that will lead nowhere. Not to wander into your line of questioning, but I doubt CES will be around to answer your question until tomorrow, and I'd hate to see you get stuck with too many briars.

Skimmed through the space game last night, and with hindsight there was something off with regfans tone and I think he was playing up to empire. I'm not noticing the same stuff here, so I'm going to set aside my concern right now. I think it's mostly nothing, and there's a good chance he dies tonight anyway and then this bit of concern will be silly. I had him as pretty town early yesterday, and really only started to be concerned when marble did, so.

Have a weak town read on ankamius that is growing stronger as I type this. I'll look through a scum game or two to be sure as I've not seen him as scum, but I like the listing of his scum games and insistence that it sucks. It feels like he feels like he'd be caught here, and his thought processes and questions don't feel like someone concerned about their scum game. The only way I think he is scum here is if he's being helped a whole bunch by his team, but if you look at his teammates that's unlikely. And I think his posts would demonstrate more team involvement if that's the case. I would still like mollies take on ika, so I can feel better about my read there.

[Tammy]

So the town reads I feel really good about are zach and antihero.

I feel relatively good about Regfan, ika, and ankamius

Leftovers, need to read through:

Anenin/psyche - psyche did literally nothing, can't read that, waiting for anenins catch up.

Bbt - had a strong scum read there that I'm wavering on, probably in part because everyone seems to think I'm wrong. Bbt - what made you drop your scum read on my slot?

Ces, cheery dog.

I'd probably be fine with lynching most of the leftovers. I just don't think the whole scum team is in there which has me wondering where I went wrong on a town read.

Antihero - when did Oversoul become a decent town read for you? I thought Regfan was your only town read on the aero wagon.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

With more information about Regfan having brought up wallflowers and then bussing that early in the game. The thing about trying to do associate tells is overkill there.
It by itself isn't much to go on, but it's mostly fake content as that type of reads just doesn't get there accurately that early in the game.

Now you're just trying to claim the post is suspicious regardless of what happened.

No, voting townreads is not a better play for me if I'm town. It's a better play for you as it might get a different townie lynched.

This is also just you trying to make things as suspicious when they aren't. Obviously I'd rather have you vote for one of my scum reads.

Regfan is doing what most scum do - trying to get read as town.

For example, his recent unvote of me about me being more genuine, and his teammates not thinking that's the case, that's an attempt to get on my good side after calling my post from teammates as in-genuine. His teammates reads giving the opposite opinion is making the read of me straddle the fence, and he could come back if other people were joining my wagon.

If Regfan is scum, he must have some sort of plan to win this game. Last White Flag he got nightkilled Night 1 with immaculate reads; you're already applying Burden of Proficiency apparently and it can only get worse from here if he continues to survive without winning us the game. Can you imagine a Day 5 where we just accept that Regfan is still alive?

And Zar's comment on you was good insight. Did that read as faked to you?

[Tammy]

I think I'd be fine with a cheery dog lynch. I just caught that part about Regfan unvoting to get on cheery dogs good side. I can't imagine a world where scum!regfan would need to get on cheery dogs good side, and I don't believe he even believes that.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If you look at a lot of Regfan's posts, his team differ with him on a lot of opinions/reads. This allows him to reverse his reads quite quickly if he wants to because 'he's following his team.' What do you make of this CES?

I think it would really look weird if Regfan just decided to follow his team. If you haven't noticed by now, he does rather highly rate his own scumhunting.

Note bolded. Where did this comment come from? Regfan had not yet posted claiming his use of town tokens.

Regfan didn't have to claim it for me to know it. His (otherwise very non-serious) inclusion on that scum list was also based on the idea that his absence up to that point made him slightly more likely to be scum based on his dislike for playing scum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I think it really is about time Cheery Dog got lynched. He hasn't made a credibly motivated vote all game and his last few posts are pretty much just mudslinging.

We can sort out the Aneninen/Psyche slot tomorrow.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bbt - what made you drop your scum read on my slot?

Oversoul's posting before he left.

There is no way scum goes through all that effort before replacing out.

738 in particular.

[Zachrulez]

Sotty's shutting me down on CES. She's firm on him being town and honestly I think this game is starting to confuse me to the point where I'm trying to see things that aren't there now.

Hard scum read on Cheery Dog, and that's what I really needed, for someone to confidentely put Cheery Dog into one category or another.

It's time to put old yeller out of his misery.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Cheery Dog

[Zachrulez]

I'm also happy to play with CES again as its been awhile, I just think he drew scum

Divine Sottyvention says he's town.

Why do you think he's scum?

What do you think of the way Cheery wormed onto his wagon?

[Equinox]

ika, Regfan, and theelkspeaks have been prodded.

[Cheery Dog]

And Zar's comment on you was good insight. Did that read as faked to you?

There was nothing new in his comments.