8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[wgeurts]

Wait what, ooba voted me?
Yeah I'm playing for survival because a town lynch is bad. Ooba, I'll get lynched eventually if I'm scum with ZZZX's idea. You and ZZZX can always lynch mollie if it gets to a 3 player lylo and you're town. Lets start with GreyICE/Zar team first. (Funny how you got the same thoughts as me, except c is wrong)

Venge GreyICE

Take me down boys

[ooba]

Wgeurts - you can always venge Grey Ice if you're so sure. It's the same thing I keep telling you.

Your convictions seem strong ('Oh MS is the definite counter wagon', 'GreyIce is scum - look at the resistance') - but as town, you should realise that your venge is a 1:1 on scum. Meaning we still win even with your mislynch.

So self vote and venge if you're that sure.

[pirate mollie]

nononono ooba

we are following through with the plan that we all agreed to before you threw egg ont it.

a scumteam of wguerts and I doesn't make any more sense than a team of metal and I and you know this cos you can't even come up with any explanation for it. you look like you are scum getting backed into a corner.

I am srsly town. this whiplash is giving me a headache cos like with grey there is no fucking back-up for your thought process.

[ooba]

a scumteam of wguerts and I doesn't make any more sense than a team of metal and I and you know this cos you can't even come up with any explanation for it. you look like you are scum getting backed into a corner.

This one is easy because if wguerts is scum - everyone else has voted for him in this day phase.

[pirate mollie]

a scumteam of wguerts and I doesn't make any more sense than a team of metal and I and you know this cos you can't even come up with any explanation for it. you look like you are scum getting backed into a corner.

This one is easy because if wguerts is scum - everyone else has voted for him in this day phase.

have you voted for grey?

[wgeurts]

Wgeurts - you can always venge Grey Ice if you're so sure. It's the same thing I keep telling you.

Your convictions seem strong ('Oh MS is the definite counter wagon', 'GreyIce is scum - look at the resistance') - but as town, you should realise that your venge is a 1:1 on scum. Meaning we still win even with your mislynch.

So self vote and venge if you're that sure.

Already have.
But never self-voting.
Let the scum hammer, give the town more info.

[ooba]

a scumteam of wguerts and I doesn't make any more sense than a team of metal and I and you know this cos you can't even come up with any explanation for it. you look like you are scum getting backed into a corner.

This one is easy because if wguerts is scum - everyone else has voted for him in this day phase.

have you voted for grey?

Nope.

[pirate mollie]

a scumteam of wguerts and I doesn't make any more sense than a team of metal and I and you know this cos you can't even come up with any explanation for it. you look like you are scum getting backed into a corner.

This one is easy because if wguerts is scum - everyone else has voted for him in this day phase.

have you voted for grey?

Nope.

so you have grey as strong town now that you are on a metal diet?

[ooba]

I don't know what a metal diet is - but I've Grey as strong town ever since I entered the game.

Can we flash wagon ooba?
Then lynch nacho?

On Page 43.

I'm town.

Plus if
a) Either of Nacho or GreyIce are scum
b) If at least one of Sotty or Kagami is NOT scum
I'll stop playing Mafia forever.

[wgeurts]

You just put him and zar as a possible scum team...
Why don't we clear them first?

[ooba]

You just put him and zar as a possible scum team...
Why don't we clear them first?

I said it's a possibility - but not one I strongly believe in - since Grey is strong town and Zar has also been town.

Again - the 'survival instinct' tell for you is kicking in.

I would rather clear you first, MS team second and that particular combination can be last - but I don't think the game will get there.

[pirate mollie]

I don't know what a metal diet is - but I've Grey as strong town ever since I entered the game.

Can we flash wagon ooba?
Then lynch nacho?

On Page 43.

I'm town.

Plus if
a) Either of Nacho or GreyIce are scum
b) If at least one of Sotty or Kagami is NOT scum
I'll stop playing Mafia forever.

a metal diet is that you realize that no1 is really interested in lynching him.

[pirate mollie]

eta: and vote for some1 else

[pirate mollie]

ooba who wld be your vengekill again?

[pirate mollie]

also did you notice how grey tied you in as scum to zzthing while ignoring wguerts? can you walk me through that townread on grey again in lieu of that info?

[wgeurts]

Yeah, it is ooba.
I'm town, town mislynch no matter how you word it ALWAYS hinders town.
There is almost never a positive side to it unless you're in a bastard game.
So I'll try and get someone else lynched who I think has a decent chance of turning scum.
I also believe in all three in ZZZX's proposed town bloc so I support his idea.
There's no survivial in this, there's only me trying to get town to win as easily as possible.

[ooba]

ooba who wld be your vengekill again?

Depends on how my wagon shapes up and what reasons people have for jumping in.

@Wgeurts:
I get where you're coming from. But this should be an easy win nonetheless.

- If Grey is right about you, we should win D5
- If you\ZZZX are right about Grey, we should win D6
- Otherwise I'm right we should win with a Alch lynch on D7.

That covers all possible teams I can see.

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@Mollie: I don't particular tend to scum read people who scum read me. You should also notice that he backed off that assertion. I read this Grey-ZZZX thing as knee-jerk reactions on both sides.

[pirate mollie]

yeah he didn't give any decent reasons as to why he was scumreading you in the first place and why he backed off.

he put you in his scumlist while dropping wguerts for no discernable reason, never answered why he switched his read on you 2 and somehow this makes him town in your eyes.

[pirate mollie]

also, when I talk about static reads, this is the scum bullshit that I am talking about.

[wgeurts]

Well, OOba.
Why don't you do it the otherway round and follow the plan?
GreyICE if she's town will request to venge me.
If she's scum we win D5, if she's town you lynch me D6.
Should be safe in your oppinion.
You should vote as a bloc, hence it's a town bloc.

[pirate mollie]

GreyICE's vote on you is also terrible.
"If wgeurts is town you're definetely scum!"
Never flips me
"You're scum!"
Does this make me town?
Also convenient that it happens when ZZZX comes with the plan.
Ooba and Metal. Please help us out.

who do you think are partners with grey?

[ooba]

yeah he didn't give any decent reasons as to why he was scumreading you in the first place and why he backed off.

he put you in his scumlist while dropping wguerts for no discernable reason, never answered why he switched his read on you 2 and somehow this makes him town in your eyes.

That works the other way round - if he's scum pushing on wgeurts - he suddenly abandons all plans and moves ahead?

What I see is a townie who sees the endgame bloc of {Ooba, mollie} in ZZZX's plan - flips out because he can see there's no way both can be town or how anybody believes both can be town and moves in on ZZZX.

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Well, OOba.
Why don't you do it the otherway round and follow the plan?
GreyICE if she's town will request to venge me.
If she's scum we win D5, if she's town you lynch me D6.
Should be safe in your oppinion.
You should vote as a bloc, hence it's a town bloc.

Pretty sure GreyIce is going to venge ZZZX is lynched here - not you.

Again why I am putting you above GI right now? Because I think he's ok with dying - and you're not.

[ooba]

Well, OOba.
Why don't you do it the otherway round and follow the plan?
GreyICE if she's town will request to venge me.
If she's scum we win D5, if she's town you lynch me D6.
Should be safe in your oppinion.
You should vote as a bloc, hence it's a town bloc.

I've got your back if you're town.

There's no way a scum GreyIce gets to escape your venge on him - given that I and ZZZX are both there.

[wgeurts]

He's not okay with dying, hence he lurked out his wagon.
I'd say zar's scum with him.

[pirate mollie]

Well, OOba.
Why don't you do it the otherway round and follow the plan?
GreyICE if she's town will request to venge me.
If she's scum we win D5, if she's town you lynch me D6.
Should be safe in your oppinion.
You should vote as a bloc, hence it's a town bloc.

I've got your back if you're town.

There's no way a scum GreyIce gets to escape your venge on him - given that I and ZZZX are both there.

you are not even voting grey.

so where are you at with zzthing exactly?