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[Drixx]

Death flipping honest doesn't clear Boonskies. In fact, I suggest it makes him even more likely to be scum.

Consider: we've seen quite a lot of town investigative roles. Like ... a lot of confirmed flipped town investigative roles. Why aren't we considering Boonskiies a potential scum rolecop?

[Narninian]

Not a bad point -- so far his investigations have been questionable.

[Titus]

Death flipping honest doesn't clear Boonskies. In fact, I suggest it makes him even more likely to be scum.

Consider: we've seen quite a lot of town investigative roles. Like ... a lot of confirmed flipped town investigative roles. Why aren't we considering Boonskiies a potential scum rolecop?

And you never asked for House to investigate you or the masons or cerb, and now you're bitching about Boonskiies having questionable investigations? Are you kidding me?

[Narninian]

I mean... he had 1 good investgation out of 4 nights

Day 1 he didn't investigation,
Day 2 he investigated somebody who died
Day 3 he investigated death -this was a good investigation
Day 4 he investigated somebody that we knew what the result would be ahead of time.

Day 3- Death (good)
Day 4- Bulba (bad)

[Drixx]

So Boonskiies has been a total lurksack all game, which made going through his ISO to check and see if the rolecop idea that occurred to me was possible. Lo and behold, there's a really good case to be made for it. Let's take a look:

My role makes it highly likely that what you are claiming is actually in the game.

Aww man, I didn't get to use my ability. haha.

I'm just going to claim before some flash wagon starts up...

I'm a Town Skeptical Cop. If no mafia flips before Day 4, I lose my inspection. Which is why the first quote I put, in regarding to BBmolla's claim is why I believed his role is actually in the game. As it fit well with my skeptical. Also, I didn't use my ability Night 1...due to my inactivity...which I stated at the beginning of Day 2.

During Day 2, I also stated I can't read Copper...so he was my target, and I got the result that he was..."not mafia".

Why does "town skeptical cop" fit BBmolla's claim? Note that Boonskiies is claiming pretty late into the game. Also note that he's saying he didn't use his ability on night one. It seems quite possible that he could have rolecopped death on night one and seen the skeptical thing. Then he says he didn't use it so he doesn't have to fake a result, and he sets himself up to later make a skeptical cop claim when opportunity presents itself.

Do you believe I would make up the skeptical modifier? I mean, let's be honest. I'm not familiar with that kind of stuff. I play Mini Normals mainly.

Nope. He didn't make it up. He learned it by rolecopping death on night one.

Also, why the hell would I say I missed it instead of making it up now?

Because you don't have to fake any results, which is dangerous in a multiball game. Saying you were inactive and "forgot" lets you fake claim later and keep your options open.

Why would he make up a faction cop on werewolves? Makes no sense from a scum perspective. Mine will be confirm-able. Also, unless he's a Role Cop and Role Cop'd me in an attempt to eventually mislynch me, I find it highly unlikely he is scum, due to us basically having the same role, but for different factions. The fact that he's not even pushing for my lynch pretty much confirms him as Town for me.

Oh look ... Boonskiies totally tells us what he did by suggesting that the only way death could be fake claiming is if he were a rolecop and used it on Boon. In reality, what happened is Boon rolecopped death. Scum often twist what they do and make use of it. The best lies have a kernel of truth.


We've been totally investigative heavy on dead town roles already. The theory of Boonskiies being a scum rolecop fits. With so many town investigators, it's almost a certainty that scum have some too. The post that convinces me is that last quote. Boonskiies just couldn't resist dangling what he had done right in front of us by twisting it around and defending someone he knew was town and bringing up the "unless" case that is exactly what he did. He sets himself up to earn town points and have people believe him when death flips, and does some subtle discrediting of the idea of a rolecop.

So yeah ... Boonscum's gotta go tomorrow.

[Plotinus]

that's a good point. bulba was a bad choice for investigation on day 4 after deathfisaro had already investigated him and was upset that he was investigation immune/reflexive jailkeeper (from the perspective of the cop it seems like the same thing, not trying to restart that argument.)

if he investigates trousers tonight and returns with a shiny innocent to share with us, lynch him.

pedit: wall of drixx. yeah, ok. i no longer consider him conftown.

[God of Power Outlets]

Death flipping honest doesn't clear Boonskies. In fact, I suggest it makes him even more likely to be scum.

Consider: we've seen quite a lot of town investigative roles. Like ... a lot of confirmed flipped town investigative roles. Why aren't we considering Boonskiies a potential scum rolecop?

Which night was it that vonflare said that the mod had given them a rolecop


If it was night 2 then they'd have used it night 3


When did boon first claim?

[Drixx]

Post 3960 was when he claimed. I quoted it.

[God of Power Outlets]

Also, kuribo, for what it's worth I have really enjoyed your presence in this game, and am glad I am getting to play with you.

Thanks, likewise!

I think this was the first time I played with you? I know you were in Uncouth which I co-modded, but I don't think we had played together

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Post 3960 was when he claimed. I quoted it.

If you want context around death's or our claim, he claimed before either of us.

And I think the mods gave Von's team the rolecop after Night 2, that's when he said vyse targeted me and should've been kept alive.

P-EDIT: Btw, Kuribo, I honestly miss the eroge fanfic.

[God of Power Outlets]

If he's a skeptical cop that hunts mafia, he's either werewolf or town right?

We already had a werewolf hunting skeptical

[God of Power Outlets]

BC thanks, I think we're just gonna mod a game based on crazy erotica. Tripod, bone and I have been working on the setup.

That way no one that doesn't want to see it has to read it since they can simply not /in for it

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Also, even though I'm obviously late to the party, Fuck you Death. Maybe OC had a poor choice of words (I had glossed over it mainly because I read it as another way of saying stupid and not as an ableist (sp?) slur (Or, I think that's what that is? idk, I don't usually use retarded so I don't really follow all the stuff around that), but modkilling yourself for that is far more...stupid than what OC did. I have no sympathy for your actions, regardless of the cause(s) for it; if you're offended by that, fine, but don't be a dick and pull everyone else in the game down (or at least your faction specifically, whichever that may be). (And to answer the possible question, yes, I would've sympathized more if he kept it at just a replace-out.)

-Both posts are Ivy.

P-EDIT: I like that idea. And yeah, Boon's likely either WW or town.

[Drixx]

I remember being confused by Boonskiies claiming when he did. Check out my #4041 where I initially read his claim as increasing in probable honesty, but noted I was confused by it. I'm looking right now to see when Vonflare said they got the rolecop to offset "mod error" or whatever. I am glad I'm already convinced that Boonskiies is scum... I would hate to have to decide whether Vonflare was trolling or venting with that particular bit of info in order to decide.

By the way, this is my town endgame strength. I go looking through to see where the scum narratives end up being exposed by later info. I'm usually pretty good at it, but it's usually really time intensive. Boonskiies made it easy though ... and good catch by TPTG on the Vonflare bit.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I'm looking right now to see when Vonflare said they got the rolecop to offset "mod error" or whatever.

That was all T5, but IIRC the way he was mentioning it struck me as being honest information.

[Drixx]

I don't follow the logic of thinking Boon is either werewolf or town. Apparently Vonflare was angry about mod error and said that his team got a rolecop usage in compensation. Boonskiies claimed early in day three with no real need to do so. He claimed to be a skeptical cop and used the whole "skeptical" part to argue that it was unlikely for him to make that up. By that point there was already mafia flips though, so the skeptical part was irrelevant, other than as a bit of detail to help sell the claim. His claimed cop 'results' are garbage. The Vonflare thing makes it all fit even more perfectly than my theory of Boonskiies being a role cop all game long. The timing makes a bunch of sense, and the posts Boonskiies made after that point make a lot more sense with that theory of things.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I don't follow the logic of thinking Boon is either werewolf or town. Apparently Vonflare was angry about mod error and said that his team got a rolecop usage in compensation. Boonskiies claimed early in day three with no real need to do so. He claimed to be a skeptical cop and used the whole "skeptical" part to argue that it was unlikely for him to make that up. By that point there was already mafia flips though, so the skeptical part was irrelevant, other than as a bit of detail to help sell the claim. His claimed cop 'results' are garbage. The Vonflare thing makes it all fit even more perfectly than my theory of Boonskiies being a role cop all game long. The timing makes a bunch of sense, and the posts Boonskiies made after that point make a lot more sense with that theory of things.

The thing is that there's already a skeptic role for investigating WW (Death), so that had to be town or mafia (Berlin or TVL, dunno if it has to be one or the other). By the same token, if boonskies is a skeptic cop for the mafia, then he's likely either town or with the WW faction.

I suppose this assumes that Boon is telling the truth about being a skeptic mafia cop, though.

-Ivy

[ChriVi]

As I said, Oranje Crush goes tomorrow.

If you feel like voting someone else, I expect a damn good reason.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

As I said, Oranje Crush goes tomorrow.

If you feel like voting someone else, I expect a damn good reason.

So, explain why OC again?

[Drixx]

I don't follow the logic of thinking Boon is either werewolf or town. Apparently Vonflare was angry about mod error and said that his team got a rolecop usage in compensation. Boonskiies claimed early in day three with no real need to do so. He claimed to be a skeptical cop and used the whole "skeptical" part to argue that it was unlikely for him to make that up. By that point there was already mafia flips though, so the skeptical part was irrelevant, other than as a bit of detail to help sell the claim. His claimed cop 'results' are garbage. The Vonflare thing makes it all fit even more perfectly than my theory of Boonskiies being a role cop all game long. The timing makes a bunch of sense, and the posts Boonskiies made after that point make a lot more sense with that theory of things.

The thing is that there's already a skeptic role for investigating WW (Death), so that had to be town or mafia (Berlin or TVL, dunno if it has to be one or the other). By the same token, if boonskies is a skeptic cop for the mafia, then he's likely either town or with the WW faction.

I suppose this assumes that Boon is telling the truth about being a skeptic mafia cop, though.

-Ivy

Yeah ... I'm saying that Boon fake claimed. He role copped Death which is where he got the Skeptic thing for his fake claim.

[Drixx]

As I said, Oranje Crush goes tomorrow.

If you feel like voting someone else, I expect a damn good reason.

I really hate it when people who end up confirmed town in a game somehow think that makes them the ruler of everyone. Being conftown just means that people can trust you not to be intentionally misleading them. It doesn't make you right or even increase your odds of being right. This whole "I'm conftown, do what I say or else" attitude is about as annoying as anything possibly can be in mafia.

If you want people to vote OC, then

Make a convincing case

. You don't get to just make demands to us like we're peons because you lucked into being conftown.

If this comes across as harsh, just know that you triggered one of my biggest pet peeves. You didn't suddenly become all knowing the moment you become conftown. You have no more standing to order us around than any other person. You want OC dead then convince us that OC is scum.

[ChriVi]

If you can't look at OC and see a reason to vote him right now, /espcially/ after what just happened, then you need to learn how to play mafiascum.

[ChriVi]

TTTG, cross protection is go, yes?

[Drixx]

If you can't look at OC and see a reason to vote him right now, /espcially/ after what just happened, then you need to learn how to play mafiascum.

I'm not saying that OC isn't scum or shouldn't be voted. I'm saying that you aren't entitled to order us around because you got conftowned. Put in the effort and make a case. If it's as obvious as you are suggesting, it shouldn't be difficult.

Notice how I think Boonskiies is scum and I went and looked to see if the way the game went down and what he has posted lined up with what I was theorizing or not? Did you catch how I was a little bit off at first, but then TPTG came in and remind me of what Vonflare said, and then the whole thing clicked into place and just made sense?

Being conftown doesn't relieve you of your obligation to convince us of your reads. It simply makes it so that we can trust you to have town motives and therefore can trust that you aren't

intentionally

misleading us. You can still be wrong. Don't sit back and assume that the mutual protection thing you have worked out is actually gonna just win the game. Put the work in while you're alive right now in this twilight. You may not be here tomorrow to make the case.

It's like how Titus was using the previous twilight to say that she would give us the VCA today and I kept asking her how she knew she would be alive today to give it (still a valid question, btw ... but it was super underwhelming anyway).

[ChriVi]

Stop playing mafiascum, please.