Open 589: Duck Duck Goose (Game Over: Somebody Won)

[ChriVi]

Actually, don't STFU in case you have some scum buddies you'd like to incriminate.

[Netherspite]

@ChriVi

Someone who still did not realize there's one scum remaining in the game calls me dumb.
Well whatever.

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@Honey bee

Who do you see as the most likely scum and why?

[ChriVi]

@ChriVi

Someone who still did not realize there's one scum remaining in the game calls me dumb.
Well whatever.

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@Honey bee

Who do you see as the most likely scum and why?

WHICH WAS WHY I SAID "IF THERE'S A SCUM I'M NOT ACCOUNTING FOR SOMEHOW", YOU IMBECILE.

I can't stand to listen to the mindless froth spewing from your shitty mouth hole any longer.

[Netherspite]

Then replace out of the game because you seem to be seeing the voice of sanity as 'mindless froth'. Guess you're going to keep seeing things this way. Guess it's useless for you to stay here (you didn't do anything useful for the whole game anyway)

[ChriVi]

Then replace out of the game because you seem to be seeing the voice of sanity as 'mindless froth'. Guess you're going to keep seeing things this way. Guess it's useless for you to stay here (you didn't do anything useful for the whole game anyway)

Yes, try to bully the people who are voting you out of the game. It'll totally work.

You call what you're saying "Sane"? I have a question: Have you ever played mafiascum before this game?

[ChriVi]

I've been assuming no cause I didn't figure someone could be /this/ fucking stupid about the game after their first attempt at it.

[Netherspite]

The answer to your question is just 2 clicks away from you.

However, you made a slight mistake.
Your latest posts would make sense if you would consider me newbie town.
However, you vote me as scum at the same time.
I will never believe someone with the MS experience will be that dumb. Thus, the only sane explanation is you're scum.

VOTE: ChriVi

This had to be done ages ago. Jump the wagon, lynch the last scum.

[talah]

Nether, is Taly town to you now based purely on Kaboose's flip?

[Netherspite]

Yes. I was hardly tunneling the wrong slot because I didn't want to flip empty slot.

[GreyICE]

Actually, don't STFU in case you have some scum buddies you'd like to incriminate.

Is this an actual thing that actually got posted

[GreyICE]

Bussing yesterday would be an insanely risky choice in this setup - again, having expendable scumbuddies is a good thing to throw at PGOs, and the amount of time you want to spend playing WIFOM is low (on a related note, town should probably be randomizing how they use their PGOs, to something like 20-30% to use it each night, as that should probably meter them out nicely over the course of the game, and of course if the scum stop shooting that's just hilarious)

So outside the wagon is Netherspite, me, and ChriVi. Davesaz could also be a bus vote - his vote didn't effect who was lynched, so for scum there's no point in not.

Anyway, yeah.

Vote: Netherspite

[GreyICE]

Reviewing Dave's vote, it doesn't smell like bussing to me. It's possible, but not likely.

[Netherspite]

So you'll definitely get

ChriVi

D3 or D4?

[Netherspite]

D4 or D5, sorry.

[talah]

Piss's right about him being the hammer. We were tied with taly & chri with chri having priority.

He also jumped off chri when chri and kaboose were at 4 with chri having priority too.

I'd have to go back to clarify but the thing that stuck out to me the most was the sly vote/unvote from Taly to ChriVi and off again which switched the lynch off 3 tied wagons (Kaboose winning) to 2 tied wagons (ChriVi winning). I'm not sure how important that is though. I went through the 2 scumflip ISOs after Kaboose got lynched and had pisskop on my prob-town list due to interactions.

I think I'm going to end up voting dave today but not really in a rush right now.

Edit: I'll take a look back at dave but the ineffectual bus vote doesn't even come into my read that much. It's the logic leaps to cover bad reasoning really. @Grey

[GreyICE]

So you'll definitely get

ChriVi

D3 or D4?

There's no fucking way he's not my top pick for scum if you flip town.

The only thing that gives me some hesitation is the scum shot outside the wagon last night, but I think that was just trying to get a shot that was safe.

[Taly]

Holy shit, I nailed scum with actual data provided behind it. O_o I love you, intuition.

HB is most likely town more than anyone else here, but saying she is confirmed-town is a bit much, Grey... Speaking of Grey, I looked back at his posts in D2. 900 caught my attention. I believe this is the first official claim in this game... Seeing how Grey performed in D2 a little shaky from his D1 play - I think he's more likely town as well, but I'm going to have my eye on him.

Nether, if you're really town - please stop baiting yourself. Just because you were wrong in 1 day doesn't mean you should sell your ass to the rope to justify it. That just makes you more trouble to town because if you die and your really town, another townie will be killed that night.

Also, I don't like this fast-moving wagon. Why the hell are people planning to choose who to lynch each day phase? Do you guys expect us to keep lynching townies at this point to where it fucks all of us over? Damn. I don't like that this is specifically how Nether is speaking. This is also why I'm not really bothered by the wagon on him, but why would he bait himself if he were scum? Is he giving up because all of his buddies are dead? I don't get it.

I'm not throwing Dave off the table as possible scum suspects, but I don't really have a case against him furthermore, either.

HB, why did you think you'd get shot last night, and it'd most likely be because of Dave?

Really don't understand the Piss and nether back and forth that happened right out of the gate in D3. Especially since both of them were on my ass at one point in D2. Why are you two suspecting each other?

Better question:
Nether, how was Pisskops jump on Kabooses wagon scummy?
Pisskop, how is Nether scummy? (Tell me your thinking, not what is obvious by his behavior through the flips being revealed.)

[GreyICE]

I mean strictly from voting, ChriVi is the only person in the town who was on neither wagon. So yeah, the idea of him surviving to LyLo is ludicrous.

PEdit: Liking this Taly. I know this means little here, because there's still WIFOM on my alignment, but it's fun to see a townie come along like this.

[Netherspite]

@Taly

I've explained it.
He jumped on his wagon when it was too late to save him.
Notice how I asked him to join your wagon and he ignored that chance despite he stated that he likes you for the lynch more. He had a chance to save him and lynch you instead.
He decided to save his hide instead and bus his partner because honestly it was the correct play for the scum at his position. I'd definitely bus if I'd be

Kaboose

's partner. I'd do it a bit earlier though. But the time he did it is fine too.

Anyway, just look at how

ChriVi

is accusing me at being scum and calling me a newbtown at the same time. That contradiction makes them as obvious scum as

Vettrock

was D1 when I voted him.
That's a major slip and I'm really sure they're the last scum.

@GreyICE

How about we lynch

ChriVi

today instead then? I want to end this faster.
If you want me dead so bad - fine I'll hammer myself to speed up things.
I expect you to lynch

ChriVi

tomorrow in that case.

[Netherspite]

@Taly

Regarding self-baiting, you can skim through my meta.
I'm usually becoming angry at myself if I hard tunnel the wrong person and start playing a bit suicidally. Trying to get rid of this behavior but it's hard.

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE

How about we lynch

ChriVi

today instead then? I want to end this faster.
If you want me dead so bad - fine I'll hammer myself to speed up things.
I expect you to lynch

ChriVi

tomorrow in that case.

I'm literally agnostic on the issue. I'm 95% certain scum didn't hard bus, and I know I'm town, so that leaves me with a pool of two people. On the whole, neither of you have been a town read of mine in any way. The no shot feels more like you than ChriVi, it's a logical and calculated move. OTOH a team of ChriVi and Kaboose could have just fucking failed to submit a night action.

[Taly]

Haha, the idea that Kaboose+ChriVi are partnered and failed to submit a night action on N1 made me laugh.

I feel like a bitch now. lol :/

In any case, scum never killed anyone on N1 - possibly because you, Grey, announced to the townies somewhere in D1 to arm themselves on that night, and overall doubts everyone was seeming to have near the end of D1.

Since scum was lynched D1 of course(Vettrock), scum probably didn't want to risk killing someone on the possibility they were armed. So this further tells me Grey might be town, or he's doing some grand scumplaying here. Haven't decided yet, but Grey is leaning town.

Scum was lynched D2(Kaboose), and then Oddmusics slot(Sadly, Grib) - got killed. What was Oddmusics relevance in D2? yeah, I don't see much of that either. So that leads to 3 possible scenarios to me:

1) Scum killed Oddmusic because they were either afraid of the new replacement targeting them(Maybe because Oddmusic was onto something?)
2) Scum killed Oddmusic because they really wanted to slide under the radar, since BOTH of their partners were killed - and they were likely already in the limelight somehow near the end of D2.
3) In D1, Oddmusic was opposed or a major threat to them. Killing him would have provided scum leverage in some way...

Either way, we need to look at Oddmusics ISO in this game. Townies don't get killed for kicks.

Another thing Nether, I have flaws within my town play. I 1v1 an average of 2 people per game that I survive longer than D1 in. (So far, Nether, Pisskop, in D2 and Grey, and ChriVi. in D1)
But honestly Nether? If you know openly that you have a problem with your meta, you seriously should work to fix it. IE, if you're town, stop setting yourself up for a lynch because your lynch baiting could cause a chain of shit to happen for the town if you're town right now.

You're a VERY slight scum read to me, Nether. I don't mean to sound harsh, but you seem too naïve to be scum... I also don't see scum baiting themselves, ESPECIALLY if they were the last person. Unless they are really scum and they wanted to save themselves grief? I don't know. I still scum read you some due to how you literally started off this day changing your focus on someone you townread pretty confidently near the ending of D2, MUCH TO MY EXPENSE.

ChriVi being scum? Its pretty possible... They're a lynch candidate even without Nether putting his ass on sale, and then voting them. ChriVi hasn't really provided a good amount of effort or info. in this game... They also change their focus on who is their vote every other post they make. This could be meta playing, but it really isn't conducive to helping town - if they don't have that much bulk to back it up.

ChriVi, can you make a post of 2 paragraphs that provide content relevant to what is currently happening in this game? I'm only asking 2.

[Honey bee]

HB, why did you think you'd get shot last night, and it'd most likely be because of Dave?

I've had it out for him for a while. If he's going to risk killing someone, it might as well be me.

[Honey bee]

Piss's right about him being the hammer. We were tied with taly & chri with chri having priority.

He also jumped off chri when chri and kaboose were at 4 with chri having priority too.

I'd have to go back to clarify but the thing that stuck out to me the most was the sly vote/unvote from Taly to ChriVi and off again which switched the lynch off 3 tied wagons (Kaboose winning) to 2 tied wagons (ChriVi winning). I'm not sure how important that is though. I went through the 2 scumflip ISOs after Kaboose got lynched and had pisskop on my prob-town list due to interactions.

I think I'm going to end up voting dave today but not really in a rush right now.

Edit: I'll take a look back at dave but the ineffectual bus vote doesn't even come into my read that much. It's the logic leaps to cover bad reasoning really. @Grey

The thing about piss is that my case on kaboose wasn't any more threatening than my other posts about him. He agreed to it by his own decision. Also I think not wanting to lynch empty slots isn't a bad reason for not wanting that lynch.

Dave is still on my possibilities, but i see no need to rush too.

[ChriVi]

I mean strictly from voting, ChriVi is the only person in the town who was on neither wagon. So yeah, the idea of him surviving to LyLo is ludicrous.

PEdit: Liking this Taly. I know this means little here, because there's still WIFOM on my alignment, but it's fun to see a townie come along like this.

them*

and no. Scum is always very likely to leave useless, quiet town alive because they're easy to lynch. They wanna NK the people that are obvtown.

At least your vote is in the right place.