8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[wgeurts]

MS,
Still want you lynched.
However it's causing chaos pushing you.

And ZZZX gave a good plan

[Metal Sonic]

why do you want me lynched when i am your town read?

[wgeurts]

why do you want me lynched when i am your town read?

As I then get ooba's vote and a metric tonne of associatives.

[Metal Sonic]

I'm town, town mislynch no matter how you word it ALWAYS hinders town.
There is almost never a positive side to it unless you're in a bastard game.

[Metal Sonic]

why do you want to hinder town?

[Metal Sonic]

10 minutes no answer?

ok friends i am leaving

i have homework that i put aside cause i was figuring out [who what when where why how] for possible scumteams

[ZZZX]

Yo sonic thoughts about my plan?

It solves the problem you talked about in you chart

[ZZZX]

Also sonic I still didn't get your opinion of me vs ice.

Also we won that game ;P

Lastly why is a grey lynch badly resisted that much

[ZZZX]

Also Metal, one last thing.

Will you truly ignore nacho's grand plan that caught 2 scum to do your own thing. You are not that kind of a guy metal. Both of us ignored the plan for half of hte day but its time to get this moving, Enough of this bullshit. Get this day done already.

[pirate mollie]

okay.

@ ooba

listen to me. I need you to really listen to me. look at what and who is bringing hardcore analysis to the game and who isn't. metal is bringing it on, zzthing is bringing it, I am bringing it on I feel like wguerts is bringing it on in his own way. there are 3 players who aren't. grey, zarella and alchey.

I am telling you that something happened on that scumboard to demotivate the scumteam. scum has got to be in grey/abr cos i am looking at this playerlist and those are the only who I think cld demotivate a scumteam. I think either scum were feeling let down by being hardbussed (and nothing demotivates me faster than getting hardbussed on d1 by a dumb teammate) or some1 was being nasty on the scumboard or mebbe both. I have played against scum!grey but it was over a year ago heck, it might have even been 2 years ago. I am sure he has improved since then. and tbh his play this game looks nothing like I remember but then I died n1. you are clearing him cos of him voting scum consistently and I am telling you that is a bad reason cos grey is from 2010 and I have noticed they on a whole are hardcore bussers. that is why if I am in a game with d3x or kthanx at the first whiff of scum them I look at who they are going after.

I know that the way I reason things out is very foreign to you. I have known this for a while but I think in lost rooms I realized the full extent of it. tere and i make a good hydra cos we have known each other for years and cos we compliment each other's weaknesses. that is probs gonna be a hydra that I use quite often. my point is that I take in little pieces of information and spreadsheet the fuck out of it until I can find a map of commonalities. if you guys saw all of my data collecting you wld most likely have me committed. I find human behaviour analysis to be fascinating and mafia is a gold mine of observations. it has become a hobby of mine to research and collect data and piece it together into a sort of artwork of what I find. some have been bad and some have been successful as far as consistency goes.

so tl;dr - there is a distinct possibility that grey is scum and that scum were demotivated by being hardbussed.

lets talk about abr/alchey slot. I have been scum with abr and he was quite nice. he went apeshit in another game cos he felt like I was insulting him (when I wasn't) and pmed me about the game and I reported it and he got modkilled and blames me for it yet takes zero responsibility for breaking an onsite rule. that is our whole drama. if I think about his push on his failed push on me and then push on nacho and squint my eyes I can see the butthurt being that strong in this 1. given the timing of it I can see how he wld feel threatened as scum to go balls to the wall and try to break up nacho/mollie town team. but what happened on the scumboard that demotivated scum?

mebbe I am putting too much stock in that kagami said, "when the pts open it will be explained" implying she had 1 and that something unpleasant happened there. to be fair to kagami I don't think that she thought that any1 wld get much from that I think it was an offhand comment.

the thing makes me think abr/alchey slot cld possibly be scum is cos I am not seeing a whole lot from alchey nor from abr when before he swapped out. I can see him swapping out in a game that he think he might lose as scum.

I have you, zzthing, metal as super town right now. and if any of you are scum than you did a helluva good job posting like lost confused town trying to sort things out like I am.

so now about zarella. why do you have him as town? you don't think that emp cld fake what he did earlier in the game? cos I think he cld. I will have to reread all of that. but zarella has not made 1 single post that I go "this is town" and that is why I have my eye on him.

so those are my thoughts that I wld like you to engage me with. I want to close off any holes in my thinking.

[pirate mollie]

also that was a very strong reachout btw.

[ZZZX]

I would like to say that we need to push up the activity guys, Freezing the game here is just... bad.

Not sure if it is scum trying to slow down but we really need to get something happening. Do we not?

[ZZZX]

also
Zar Apr 02, 09:16am Apr 22, 06:20am 0 days 19 hours 57
GreyICE Mar 30, 06:49pm Apr 22, 02:14am 0 days 23 hours 381
Alchemist21 Apr 20, 05:30pm Apr 22, 01:13am 1 day 0 hours 57


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@metal I would love you to come out and get something on. I would love if you get a stance on the game. The Metal I know would.

[Metal Sonic]

dude I just said I was leaving because I had homework and I was going to sleep if you knew my online timings

you are begging me to try to save you which is scummy....

[Metal Sonic]

even if it's not scummy it's SUPER annoying so don't do that

I'm not going to post until 12h later unless super super urgent so don't try anything funny

[ZZZX]

even if it's not scummy it's SUPER annoying so don't do that

I'm not going to post until 12h later unless super super urgent so don't try anything funny

lol that too much of a reaction but w.e . I dont need to be saved as I dont really have any votes at me like...

noone at all (well except maybe one)

I just wanted to know your stance. anyway see you tomorrow then, i just wanted to know your thoughts before i slept but it already hit 3:00AM...

Good luck in your studies then.

[pirate mollie]

dude I just said I was leaving because I had homework and I was going to sleep if you knew my online timings

you are begging me to try to save you which is scummy....

even if it's not scummy it's SUPER annoying so don't do that

I'm not going to post until 12h later unless super super urgent so don't try anything funny

even if it's not scummy it's SUPER annoying so don't do that

I'm not going to post until 12h later unless super super urgent so don't try anything funny

lol that too much of a reaction but w.e . I dont need to be saved as I dont really have any votes at me like...

noone at all (well except maybe one)

I just wanted to know your stance. anyway see you tomorrow then, i just wanted to know your thoughts before i slept but it already hit 3:00AM...

Good luck in your studies then.

I don't understand these series of posts. like at all.

mostly from metal like what the fuck is he even talking about.

[pirate mollie]

metal I wld like you to explain your reluctance to me about voting grey.

[quadz08]

VOTECOUNT 5.10

GreyICE (3) - ZZZX, wgeurts, Pirate Mollie
wgeurts (3) - Metal Sonic, Alchemist, Zar
ZZZX (1) - GreyICE

Not Voting (1) - Ooba

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

[Zar]

I'm here now, and I'm going to try looking over at Kagami's posts to see if I can see anything that could help us move this further.

[Zar]

Well, Kagami's ISO can be summarized to a long big push against GreyICE from beginning to end.

The only interesting post I could find where these ones:

Kagami, quit acting stupid or you'll prove Titus wrong and make a big embarrassment out of her.

Alright, screw it, tell me what to do.

Why isn't Kagami voting his 2nd biggest suspect Hoopla?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: hoopla

This is an interaction in which ABR basically gets her to vote Hoopla. It's something that could be easily faked to unpartnery IMO.

and

I haven't "cleared" anyone, except maybe ABR and sotty after a GI scumflip. While I recognize it to be an unpopular opinion, "townblocking" is stupid. A vengeful strat has a wildly higher EV

Here she's clearing Sotty and ABR tied to a "GI scumflip". We already know Sotty was scum, so maybe ABR/Alch still fits as a partner?

So there's two possible scenarios here:

a) Assuming GI!town, she could have tried to set him up ahead to get him lynched and work from there after, and take a chance to mention a partner or two for potential cred later.

b) Assuming GI!scum she could be trading in a partner for the other one/two (Sotty+ABR), but I feel it would be too high risk and could have blown in her face if her partners weren't able to deliver the goods by looking town as the game progressed.

[Zar]

Mollie: can you please explain to me your GI scumread, aside from following the Nacho Brick Road?

[Zar]

I would like to say that we need to push up the activity guys, Freezing the game here is just... bad.

Not sure if it is scum trying to slow down but we really need to get something happening. Do we not?

You gotta be kidding me, right? This game is the longest of the Team Mafia games and it's NOT EVEN THE LARGE.

also
Zar Apr 02, 09:16am Apr 22, 06:20am

0 days 19 hours 57

GreyICE Mar 30, 06:49pm Apr 22, 02:14am 0 days 23 hours 381
Alchemist21 Apr 20, 05:30pm Apr 22, 01:13am 1 day 0 hours 57


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@metal I would love you to come out and get something on. I would love if you get a stance on the game. The Metal I know would.

This

probably

has nothing to do with me being able to be around to post at nights, right?

[Alchemist21]

Hey guys, I'm on and going to catchup on the past few pages. My wifi hotspot device's battery messed up, and it'll be June until I can get a new Device if I can't find a new battery for it.

[Alchemist21]

MS,
Still want you lynched.
However it's causing chaos pushing you.

And ZZZX gave a good plan

why do you want me lynched when i am your town read?

why do you want me lynched when i am your town read?

As I then get ooba's vote and a metric tonne of associatives.

I'm town, town mislynch no matter how you word it ALWAYS hinders town.
There is almost never a positive side to it unless you're in a bastard game.

This is a good catch. If wgeurts objection to self-voting was just because he doesn't want Town lynched then he wouldn't be lynching a Townread. (Actually, how long has wgeurts been Townreading MS now? Until this series of posts I still thought he was scumreading him.)

@Mollie, FWIW ABR said something similar about Kagami possibly being demoralized by GreyICE, and he's pulling my ear to tell me the scumteam is Ooba/GI.

GI vs ZZZX continues to confuse the crap out of me, and the longer it drags on the more it sounds like two adults from a Charlie Brown cartoon. The only reason I can recall why Grey is voting ZZZX is because he thinks he's trying to get a scumbuddy into a Townblock through lylo. Why is ZZZX voting GI exactly? *checks back for the original vote*. Oh yeah, Nacho's plan. And then shit happened.

That reminds me of Zar's post a page or 2 back. He said he couldn't believe there was scum motivation in ZZZX pushing this plan so hard. Maybe I'm confbiasing here, but I feel like this shitstorm wouldn't be necessary if the main basis for the vote was just returning to the Nacho plan, even if Z's read on Grey became a scumread after that.