8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[Alchemist21]

Hey guys, I'm on and going to catchup on the past few pages. My wifi hotspot device's battery messed up, and it'll be June until I can get a new Device if I can't find a new battery for it.

EBWOP: Using my dad's hotspot he just got. No idea how much data it gets so I'm only going to use it at night. If anyone knows if or how I can get a new battery for our normal one please let me know.

[wgeurts]

Difference is, I know my own alignment. I can only speculate on MS.

[pirate mollie]

This is a good catch. If wgeurts objection to self-voting was just because he doesn't want Town lynched then he wouldn't be lynching a Townread. (Actually, how long has wgeurts been Townreading MS now? Until this series of posts I still thought he was scumreading him.)

@Mollie, FWIW ABR said something similar about Kagami possibly being demoralized by GreyICE, and he's pulling my ear to tell me the scumteam is Ooba/GI.

GI vs ZZZX continues to confuse the crap out of me, and the longer it drags on the more it sounds like two adults from a Charlie Brown cartoon. The only reason I can recall why Grey is voting ZZZX is because he thinks he's trying to get a scumbuddy into a Townblock through lylo. Why is ZZZX voting GI exactly? *checks back for the original vote*. Oh yeah, Nacho's plan. And then shit happened.

That reminds me of Zar's post a page or 2 back. He said he couldn't believe there was scum motivation in ZZZX pushing this plan so hard. Maybe I'm confbiasing here, but I feel like this shitstorm wouldn't be necessary if the main basis for the vote was just returning to the Nacho plan, even if Z's read on Grey became a scumread after that.

this is a strange sentiment considering how abr was brofisting grey the entire duration of the game when he was in it.

I think zzthing is town.

[Alchemist21]

Difference is, I know my own alignment. I can only speculate on MS.

You still want to lynch a Townread though.

This is a good catch. If wgeurts objection to self-voting was just because he doesn't want Town lynched then he wouldn't be lynching a Townread. (Actually, how long has wgeurts been Townreading MS now? Until this series of posts I still thought he was scumreading him.)

@Mollie, FWIW ABR said something similar about Kagami possibly being demoralized by GreyICE, and he's pulling my ear to tell me the scumteam is Ooba/GI.

GI vs ZZZX continues to confuse the crap out of me, and the longer it drags on the more it sounds like two adults from a Charlie Brown cartoon. The only reason I can recall why Grey is voting ZZZX is because he thinks he's trying to get a scumbuddy into a Townblock through lylo. Why is ZZZX voting GI exactly? *checks back for the original vote*. Oh yeah, Nacho's plan. And then shit happened.

That reminds me of Zar's post a page or 2 back. He said he couldn't believe there was scum motivation in ZZZX pushing this plan so hard. Maybe I'm confbiasing here, but I feel like this shitstorm wouldn't be necessary if the main basis for the vote was just returning to the Nacho plan, even if Z's read on Grey became a scumread after that.

this is a strange sentiment considering how abr was brofisting grey the entire duration of the game when he was in it.

I think zzthing is town.

TBH he was kinda spazzing out in his reads when he concluded this, but he still thinks it either them or Ooba/Zar.

First he was "maybe ZZZX and wgeurts". Then wanted me to switch from wgeurts to ZZZX because he looked really opportunistic, and said wgeurts was less likely scum than Ooba and Z (this was after reading GI's wgeurts case). Then he felt Ooba was the right lynch for the Day. And then he thought Kagami may have replaced out because of GI's toxicity and said Ooba/GI.

All those reads in that paragraph were stated by him on 4/20 in the time frame of 3:30 PM to 4:15 PM.

[pirate mollie]

alchey you said in post 3799 that it was ooba/Gi and now you are switching to ooba/zarella?

what i am interested in is what YOU think.

also kagami did not replace out, she was lynched. and abr wld have noticed that.

[pirate mollie]

*IMO

[Alchemist21]

alchey you said in post 3799 that it was ooba/Gi and now you are switching to ooba/zarella?

what i am interested in is what YOU think.

also kagami did not replace out, she was lynched. and abr wld have noticed that.

Those are his 2 scumteam choices at the moment.

I still think it's likely wgeurts/ZZZX.

My mistake on the replacement thing. He just referenced Kagami saying they were having a bad experience and for some reason I translated that to meaning replaced out.

[pirate mollie]

alchey you said in post 3799 that it was ooba/Gi and now you are switching to ooba/zarella?

what i am interested in is what YOU think.

also kagami did not replace out, she was lynched. and abr wld have noticed that.

Those are his 2 scumteam choices at the moment.

I still think it's likely wgeurts/ZZZX.

My mistake on the replacement thing. He just referenced Kagami saying they were having a bad experience and for some reason I translated that to meaning replaced out.

why do you think it is a wguerts and zzthing team?

[Metal Sonic]

using the break from school to type out some replies. the lack of overnight posts was surprising following the huge wave previously.

dude I just said I was leaving because I had homework and I was going to sleep if you knew my online timings

you are begging me to try to save you which is scummy....

even if it's not scummy it's SUPER annoying so don't do that

I'm not going to post until 12h later unless super super urgent so don't try anything funny

even if it's not scummy it's SUPER annoying so don't do that

I'm not going to post until 12h later unless super super urgent so don't try anything funny

lol that too much of a reaction but w.e . I dont need to be saved as I dont really have any votes at me like...

noone at all (well except maybe one)

I just wanted to know your stance. anyway see you tomorrow then, i just wanted to know your thoughts before i slept but it already hit 3:00AM...

Good luck in your studies then.

I don't understand these series of posts. like at all.

mostly from metal like what the fuck is he even talking about.

I just woke up and checked my phone 1st thing in the morning. The incessant prods by ZZZX came across as scummy to me. It's the scumtell where someone constantly wants to you know your opinion on him during a period of pressure to "ensure" that you're not scumreading him ---->something like a rain check.

1st question "what do you think about my plan"
2nd question "would you rather support me or ice"
3rd question "why are you resisting grey? vote him!"
4th. emotional attempt at reachout using my nacho vow

*4 hours later, I'm still asleep*
5th. WHY IS THE ACTIVITY SO LOW GUYS??? Must be SCUM lurking in here!
6th. metal hurry up and post what you think about me vs grey. oh and another appeal to emotion/proficiency/authority

so it's like extremely insecure scum whose position may have been compromised and is taking measures to ensure that he is still safe.


and my image of zzzx is beginning to erode because of several significant factors that coincidentally seem to make sense. will elaborate later, but tl;dr I'm reading grey as more town than zzzx right now.

sorry bro my trust in you is going down

metal I wld like you to explain your reluctance to me about voting grey.

i think ooba pointed out that in order for grey to be scum there has to be some very violent bussing going on here. and if grey is town he is nacho 2.0 and it is no way that I am going to throw away another town leader because maybe i'm paranoid that he's scum or something.

I've got that fight down as a TvT. In the hypothetical realm, I'd lean towards Grey being scum over you.

yeah this is why we can't get along.

In the hypothetical realm, (now) I'd have ZX being scum over Grey. like my reads are opposite of your reads, thats why we had the conflict earlier.

and thats why ABR and I gel so well, cause I independently came up with the Ooba/Zar scumteam earlier which was incidentally ABR's scumteam of choice before he replaced out. I just noticed it yesterday upon the read through and decided that its remarkable.

___

anyway i'll post the big post stuff when i get home

leave any questions here

[wgeurts]

So when ZZZX tries to rally the town he gets scum read...
Seems expectable.

[pirate mollie]

@ metal

can you plz point to me in the games that you were in where he had sooper dooper good scumdar?

I wld love to have a baseline on him cos I have only 1 completed game and he was scum.

[Metal Sonic]

what is "sooper dooper good scumdar"?

[pirate mollie]

what is "sooper dooper good scumdar"?

games where you seem to think that he has nacho levels of finding scum.

[Metal Sonic]

no

he is terrible at finding scum

[pirate mollie]

[quote="In post 3808, Metal Sonic"]
i think ooba pointed out that in order for grey to be scum there has to be some very violent bussing going on here. and if grey is town he is nacho 2.0 and it is no way that I am going to throw away another town leader because maybe i'm paranoid that he's scum or something.

so if your experience has been that he he doesn't have the greatest of scumdars, why do you want to appoint him town leader?

[pirate mollie]

quote tag failure

not even sure why it happened.

[Metal Sonic]

he's fucking terrible at finding scum, no way is he town leader lol.

every game he has to sheep me

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=55485

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60046

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=52885

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=46542

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=56684

i only ever seen his town game though, except for our game tgt

[pirate mollie]

so none of that really answers as to why you are not voting grey.

do you think he took a quantum dive and found scum in the first few pages?

[wgeurts]

Metal, early game you said sotty and GreyICE are mafia together, what changed?

[Metal Sonic]

oh you are talking about grey.

sorry i thought u meant zzxthing

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=44578 <--- caught scum d1, NKed day 1

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=36986 <--- went in fucking circles in the beginning, but eventually won for town. See http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5689804


p-edit: @ wgeurts: My mind.

[Metal Sonic]

wgeurts:

why do you want to hinder town?

[Metal Sonic]

wgeurts:

Why were you frustrated when we got 2 scum lynches in a row?

[ZZZX]

I am not horrible bro

I mostly work on the analytical part of mafia instead of scum hunting but i have a few good games too!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=58649 << reads were mostly right (2 out of 3 scum reads were scum. i got pushed and had to claim but we ended up well enough)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58246 << had not-bad scum reads and plan that won game, (and fought alot with TSO there )
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6090879 << i got lynched day 1. and gut read page 2 is correct..

I take pride in my gut reads generally, not the best at scum hunting.

@Metal You are starting to talk some bullshit here bro. We both know game was stalled for 2 days with nothing happening. I dont need "your" help because I am in no danger at all. do you see my getting lynched? the next time you say its for saving me or something shitty like that I am really dropping my town read on you.

I dont expect you to make up reasons here sonic if you were town. so please if you were town act like a townie.

also grey is townier than me.... ???

Whatever man I am now sure you didnt even read the exchange between me and him. Unless ignoring every point and talking lies and lies is a town thing to do

[wgeurts]

wgeurts:

why do you want to hinder town?

I don't, why do you want to hinder town by staying off an all town wagon?

wgeurts:

Why were you frustrated when we got 2 scum lynches in a row?

Mis-phrased, various levels of frustration and more enjoyment after 2 scum lynches.

[ZZZX]

*4 hours later, I'm still asleep*
5th. WHY IS THE ACTIVITY SO LOW GUYS??? Must be SCUM lurking in here!
6th. metal hurry up and post what you think about me vs grey. oh and another appeal to emotion/proficiency/authority

so it's like extremely insecure scum whose position may have been compromised and is taking measures to ensure that he is still safe.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5858033

read this game, guess what pushing the activity the way im doing here and doing great plans did? win the game

all i have to say.

and i didnt see your scum game either sonic only organic >>