Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Titus]

Oh and a start for ika for crumbing my sign. Remember the Dark Lord Watches over all of us.

[GuyInFreezer]

I pointed out something to him, and he agreed.

Why did you choose to appeal to fery over ika for my vote?

[Titus]

@GiF, Huh? I am trying to get along with the three of you.

Here try this for ika.

Use my sign to make KK's flavor where he was the day ender.

[GuyInFreezer]

That's certainly not what I've felt there.

I assumed "what the hell gif are you even talking with ika" but instead you just jump to fery for appeal

[Titus]

Well yeah I have already expressed hoe I felt you've been ignoring me so I am can talk to a brick or work with conftown. Literally everything I have done is trying to work with you and protect you. I may suck at it but you should see it. You have been my certain read.

[Titus]

I literally asked them for how to work with you because the harder I try, the less I get.

[GuyInFreezer]

What do you think my read on you before my vote?

[Titus]

You were waffling on me before voting me I think.

[Titus]

I am out. I will be here tomorrow to see if ika got my crumbs.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also, I don't know how you'd expect to work together with ika when you're not being your true self.

Revert to your old playstyle. Drop this "nice person" shit.

[Shadoweh]

Ffery already got the day she wanted and spent it randomly lynching an obvtown poster because he was V/LA and thus 'slowed down'. I'm sure you can come up with better reasons to lynch CDB then because ffery wants to. And this is coming from someone who actually wants to lynch CDB. I'm also not sure why Aronis's wagon evaporated when he hasn't posted anything today. I'm actually really frustrated and demotivated with how this is going.

Dear Singer, I'm going to quote this in every post until you stop ignoring it and make Mina try to justify your crusade from a scumslot's perspective:

Singer is still vile scum that needs to fucking die, where is my edible Mina-posting so I can look at a post you made without my stomach curling?

[fferyllt]

shadoweh your posts sap my will to live.

[Shadoweh]

I want to make a joke at your expense about life expectancy but feel like that would be mean since I actually like you being around.
I'm really sorry that your team has a hard town read on Singer. I think you're wrong. You're not going to change your mind though, so enjoy talking with her in the GY when she gets lynched tomorrow because the only thing holding back everyone is you.
I'm in a bad mood for other reasons but if your plot yesterday was to demotivate the entire town until they didn't care who was being lynched, it worked fantastically. You realize that because you led that lynch it takes away being able to read as much from it? You need to support wagons that exist for reasons besides it's you.

[Titus]

Also, I don't know how you'd expect to work together with ika when you're not being your true self.

Revert to your old playstyle. Drop this "nice person" shit.

I am being the real me. My reads are real. The desire to be a better town is real. The fact that I am getting scumread by one of thepeople I am taking advice from for taking his advice hurts.

If the choice is that I can never improve and make the game less enjoyable for all or make this game achore for myself defending my attempts to foster a town that works together. I will take making the game a chore for myself. Everytime.

So, request denied. Fuck you.

[mastin2]

What is your opinion on TTH scum reading you, Mastin?

It means nothing. I'm both a bit surprised and disappointed that not only Anti but also ETL share that stance apparently, but it's irrelevant. TTH is town, period.

^

Back here, and bad news:

Mini-V/LA

for tomorrow. Worst of timing, I know, but I've got some big assignments due, then last-minute extra square practice.

...Speaking of which,

Mod: V/LA from May 1st-May 3rd.

Going to the Pacific Northwest Teen Square Dance Festival.
Gonna be dead by then likely, but if not, you need to know.

[singersigner]

It's like Shadoweh doesn't actually

want

Mina's read.

I'll just quote this is every post until she acknowledges it.

Oh geez...the Titus wagon...so juicy...

I'm kind of uncomfortable with who's on it, though. I'm townreading at least 3/5, and leaning town on the 4th, with a null read on the 5th...but I don't really know that I trust anyone's read/case more than Cheetory since he's been the most engaged with the game and actually seems like he's trying to parse through reads. Whereas the others have this semi-absent/disengaged ere about them. I don't know that this wagon is fulled by more than just general misunderstanding or dislike of Titus, versus her actual inconsistencies and hypocrisy., and because of that, I can't really figure out what I trust more.

@TTH, I do.

Name anyone townreading DV but me.

Also, are you implying Aronis is scum who knew TSO was town and therefore whiteknighted?

o/

In any case, Mina comes with this:
(quoting for effect with paraphrasing)
"I think that when singer joined the game, Shadoweh's posting because substantially scummier (from a mildly weak town/null read), so I'm not sure why there's this insistence that I'd have this super power of reading her. It's not like I'm reading the game as closely as singer (the player actually playing in it), and I haven't really even played with her that much...seven games??? I can only think of a couple, one being Pandora, where she looked innocent and sincere until she rode that town cred into a more scum-motivated posting pattern with her passive and scummy stances. Granted, that game was much better for her scum game if she's actually scum in this one, but everything she's done so far sounds easily faked. The first lynch basically was her going "I don't care what happens or who gets lynched but no one is going to look good after I target them ~discredit~discredit~discredit~". THEN her completely turnaround on out slot is no less than convenient after singer picked up a bit of pressure. What little I remember of her town play is that she's more blunt and actually trying to decompose a conversation to genuinely scumhunt, which is severely lacking here. HOWEVER, lately she's seemed cranky, which lends to a slightly less scum read than before, particularly when addressing me specifically (except for the fact that things get lost in translation, and even though singer is a pretty little princess that's worthy of all the pretty little flowers, not sure how the fuck she expects it to transfer from my words to hers

interlude where singer agrees!

). The only thing I really don't really get now is the trajectory behind this stubborn read of singer. It basically boils down to "she's calling me scum so...YEAH" as opposed to everything else/other scumreads which have been more subtle and passive. 1653 was the most damning, with her wishy-washy, all over-the-place-ness, though not as much upon a second reread...just...prickly..."

[singersigner]

GUYSGUYSGUYS.

I think Titus is actually scum and that's AWESOME.

[DeasVail]

Ok, this is where I lay out my thoughts on who I don't want to lynch, who I do want to lynch, and who I may want to lynch. I am again really sorry about my lack of being involved in the game lately, and I'm going to do my best to get back on top of things again. There are probably about 20 pages all in all that I haven't read. I hope to read get around to reading them eventually but I don't know if it will happen, and I don't have the time to make it happen now.

First Titus. There's no way I'm going to review her ISO because there are way too many posts for that, but my impression early on was that she was town. I remember there being something after my failed attempt at a read wall that solidified my townread really heavily, but I forget what it was and I'm not going to go searching for it now. I may later, but I trust that it was something important and the posts of hers that I've read since have matched my impression of town-Titus, which I can't really explain as anything more than my own ~mystical feelings~. Well maybe if I really tried I could (something I think I've mentioned before was her not being as bull-headed as I've come to expect from her as scum), and I also like what I've seen of her attempted interactions with ika on the last page. If someone wants my vote on that wagon, then they can present a reasonably concise case for me (I will make sure I pay close attention to any posts from this one on) and I will definitely try to consider it, but the chance of me joining with a vote on Titus even with a case that's nicely wrapped up with a ribbon on top is pretty low.

Other people that I'm not going to vote for today unless weird and wonderful things happen:

Cheetory6, Espeonage, Formerfish, Mastin2, Oversoul, Singersigner, Vezokpiraka

People I would want to lynch but there are things stopping me from wanting to lynch them right now:

Bulbazak, Shadoweh, TTH

People I want to look at:

ActionDan, Aronis, CDB, Gammagooey, GiF, Untrod Tripod

So here we go!

(Honestly guys, making this post is getting me to realise exactly how much I'm struggling to keep up with this game. I really don't want to replace out and I'm going to do my best to stay involved, but my engagement is probably not going to be very good. I'm really sorry about all this)

-

ActionDan: I still don't really see the town, and I don't like the way he jumped onto the Espe train. His reaction to the pressure was ok I guess, but I've looked over it a few times now and I'm not seeing what everyone else was seeing?

Aronis: I've actually stopped thinking Aronis is scum. I don't have anything particularly town about him, but that's just where my gut's going right now.

CDB: I was planning to look over his ISO but I'm just not feeling up to it at all right now (this is completely my fault, sorry everyone). What I remember is not thinking he was as town as everyone else (including Ceph) seemed to. The only questionable thing I remember was how he commented on my self-consciousness in relation to Empire's read, since he was right about me being self-conscious but his examples seemed pretty irrelevant. Though I don't even know if this is scummy. I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching him just because I haven't read his posts properly and there could be something really town that I'm missing because of it, and this is no one's fault but my own, so sorry again.

Gammagooey: I used to townread him, then I became concerned about him sharing my opinion on the Espe wagon being bad and not doing anything about it, but then he did something about it which eased my concerns, but now I've noticed he put me into his pile of would-lynch, which seems kind of suspect since he townread me when I was active and widely townread and basically unlynchable, but now that I have much reduced activity and have attracted scumreads I'm someone he's willing to lynch apparently! The reason why this bothers me is that he uses my lynch pool as a reason for it, but I made it pretty clear that this didn't correlate exactly with my actual thoughts on who the scum were, nor do I think I'm particularly prone to scumreading lurkers as scum, nor would that be expected of me imo? The reason why I think it may come from scum is that my impression over the years has been that scum often talk about who is lynchable and who's not, and will tend to base their reads around that. During Minor Day I'm pretty sure I was someone who scum would never have expected to be able to lynch, but now I think that's changed a whole lot. This is just one thing though, and I'd obviously like to have a firmer grip on Gamma's ISO before following through with this, so I really just don't know.

GiF: I've put him to look at, but I've decided I'm not going to now because I remember reading him as town at about the same time that Ffery started.

UT: Same with UT. Probably goes a bit closer to the pile of people I think are actual possible scum with Bulba, Shadow and TTH, but for sort of different reasons I guess?

I know I've made way more apologies in this post than anyone wants to hear, and I really need to get my act together and play this game properly. I'm incredibly stressed out right now and this is just adding to it, so I'm probably going to take a more laid back approach for the next few days, and possibly longer. I don't want to say this again, but I really am sorry.

[Untrod Tripod]

GUYSGUYSGUYS.

I think Titus is actually scum and that's AWESOME.

no singer, don't say this

I really want her to be town

[Aronis]

VOTE: Titus

[hitogoroshi]

VC 85 (Major Day 1, VC 47)

(5)

Titus:

Espeonage, Cheetory6, GuyInFreezer, vezokpiraka, Aronis [L-5]
(2)

singersigner:

mastin2, Untrod Tripod

(Aronis)

(2)

ChannelDelibird:

Gammagooey, Titus
(2)

Espeonage:

ActionDan, ChannelDelibird
(1)

Aronis:

Shadoweh
(0)

Shadoweh:

(singersigner)

(0)

Untrod Tripod:

(Oversoul, Titus)

(6)

Not Voting:

Formerfish, DeasVail, Bulbazak, TellTaleHeart, Oversoul, singersigner

(Titus)

With 18 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday, April 25th, at 9PM CST.

Major Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

[Cheetory6]

Give me a reason not to push a Titus case instead of just complaining about it ffery.
I've tried reaching out to you about this read, but you literally dropped me halfway through engaging you on it.

I appreciate that Titus thinks logicking at me and being friendly at me is going to make me change my mind versus like.. yelling at me, but like.. nothing in Titus's response to me has made me feel any better about her. The closest to feeling townpings from her lately came when she said something along the lines of wanting to shout obscenities at me. But I feel none of that energy or general interest in SORTING the game from her end. Like, yes, it's important to work together as a team, but a team works together well with LEADERSHIP and this game fucking has none because everyone is whipping their ego around and saying "FOLLOW ME" instead of doing things that make me want to follow them.

Titus is more concerned about keeping up that appearance of someone working with everyone "look at how much I'm working with ffery and GiF and mastin! Let's compromise on who they want to lynch!" which is fine every now and again. To sheep a townread when you don't know what you want isn't unheard of and especially not so close to deadline. But I've been seeing this angle from Titus way too fucking much for it to be coming from a townPOV. Titus isn't scumhunting. She's been entirely focused on teambuilding, which just doesn't read as real to me. Like, the frantic way she was asking ffery whether we can lynch people like Espe a little while ago just doesn't feel.. real. You should only dumbly sheep townreads when you literally have no idea what to do or deadline is literally hitting you in the face and you're sitting on a vanity wagon. If I were to sheep ffery and just blindly vote CDB right now, I would be compromising so fucking hard and there isn't even a case on the guy for me to pretend to follow. How in the fuck can anyone be complaining about Titus votes when the alternative is literally nothing? And how in the fuck do we read people if they can just get away with "oh I wasn't scumreading TSO or CDB, but conftown told me to so WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE." It's great to be able to trust that ffery is coming from a conftown POV, but it's bad that people are wanting to sheep her on that premise alone because that makes their intentions so much harder to read.

Like, fuck, maybe I'm wrong, but Titus/Bulba [who was being a jerk about it, but I'll give him credit he at least responded to me] are the only people trying to actually convince me off of Titusvote and it's literally so maddening that everyone who's townreading Titus is expecting me to magically change my mind because they have more meta experience with Titus.

The very first thing I'm going to do tomorrow is redive into Titus's ISO in Survivor. If I don't feel the same shit I'm feeling here and nobody has said anything that makes me want to not vote for Titus, I'm hardpushing it and someone can hardpush some other wagon and may the best contender win, but we're not going to win if we all sheep the fuck out of conftown and townleaders and don't fucking think for ourselves and push our own opinions from time to time.

/endrant *going back to studying*

[singersigner]

I come baring gifts from Regfan! Updated reads. Hooraaaaay!

Town (S->W): (Very very confident)

Cheer, Oversoul, Vezok, DV, Mastin, [Gap], GIF, UT, Formerfish, Aronis, [Gap],

(Very weak)

TTH, Esp, AD.

Null:

CDB, Gamma

Scum (S->W):

Shadoweh, [Gap], Titus, Bulb

[ChannelDelibird]

I really don't think Titus is scum. The effort to make herself more accessible to read while still trying to do what she thinks is best looks very town to me, even if I think she's wrong about a bunch of things.

Going to see the Avengers tonight but will try to read up either side of it.

DV - I think you're looking at my comments about you being self-conscious as if they were meant to be an examination of your alignment. They were meant as a comment on how (whoever it was I was talking to at the time) was reading you, and how I thought

their

comments looked weird. They were saying that you weren't self-conscious at all and that was my way of saying that I couldn't understand why they had come to that conclusion, which made me think they might not be reading you honestly. Can't remember which person this is referring to right now but I'll revisit it later.

[GuyInFreezer]

Town (S->W): (Very very confident) Cheer, Oversoul, Vezok, DV, Mastin, [Gap], GIF, UT, Formerfish,

Aronis

, [Gap],(Very weak) TTH, Esp, AD.

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