8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[Alchemist21]

Early morning post while I have time.

alchey you said in post 3799 that it was ooba/Gi and now you are switching to ooba/zarella?

what i am interested in is what YOU think.

also kagami did not replace out, she was lynched. and abr wld have noticed that.

Those are his 2 scumteam choices at the moment.

I still think it's likely wgeurts/ZZZX.

My mistake on the replacement thing. He just referenced Kagami saying they were having a bad experience and for some reason I translated that to meaning replaced out.

why do you think it is a wguerts and zzthing team?

They're my top picks for scum. I can't really point to anything they've done and say, "this looks like scum-scum interaction," but they're the ones that make the most sense to me.

[ZZZX]

Early morning post while I have time.

alchey you said in post 3799 that it was ooba/Gi and now you are switching to ooba/zarella?

what i am interested in is what YOU think.

also kagami did not replace out, she was lynched. and abr wld have noticed that.

Those are his 2 scumteam choices at the moment.

I still think it's likely wgeurts/ZZZX.

My mistake on the replacement thing. He just referenced Kagami saying they were having a bad experience and for some reason I translated that to meaning replaced out.

why do you think it is a wguerts and zzthing team?

They're my top picks for scum. I can't really point to anything they've done and say, "this looks like scum-scum interaction," but they're the ones that make the most sense to me.

basically... gut pick?

also if I would say i have a partner wge would be a weird pick imho, But whatever. would love if you ever explain it tho.

[quadz08]

VOTECOUNT 5.11

GreyICE (3) - ZZZX, wgeurts, Pirate Mollie
wgeurts (3) - Metal Sonic, Alchemist, Zar
ZZZX (1) - GreyICE

Not Voting (1) - Ooba

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

[pirate mollie]

Early morning post while I have time.

alchey you said in post 3799 that it was ooba/Gi and now you are switching to ooba/zarella?

what i am interested in is what YOU think.

also kagami did not replace out, she was lynched. and abr wld have noticed that.

Those are his 2 scumteam choices at the moment.

I still think it's likely wgeurts/ZZZX.

My mistake on the replacement thing. He just referenced Kagami saying they were having a bad experience and for some reason I translated that to meaning replaced out.

why do you think it is a wguerts and zzthing team?

They're my top picks for scum. I can't really point to anything they've done and say, "this looks like scum-scum interaction," but they're the ones that make the most sense to me.

cld you plz walk me through how they make the most sense to you?

[Metal Sonic]

*4 hours later, I'm still asleep*
5th. WHY IS THE ACTIVITY SO LOW GUYS??? Must be SCUM lurking in here!
6th. metal hurry up and post what you think about me vs grey. oh and another appeal to emotion/proficiency/authority

so it's like extremely insecure scum whose position may have been compromised and is taking measures to ensure that he is still safe.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5858033

read this game, guess what pushing the activity the way im doing here and doing great plans did? win the game

all i have to say.

and i didnt see your scum game either sonic only organic >>

did you play very well this game? because I dont see it. Day 1 you were voting Rachmarie and your votes were all wrong. Day 2 your voting sns and you even tried to defend Saki Day 1 but luckily you switched. Day 3 was easy.

marquis was helping the game all the way.



anyway, if you're town, sheep me. not me sheep you. you know the sonic and zzzx method. you have been calling me to sheep you all the game which I found very fishy.

[ZZZX]

did you play very well this game? because I dont see it. Day 1 you were voting Rachmarie and your votes were all wrong. Day 2 your voting sns and you even tried to defend Saki Day 1 but luckily you switched. Day 3 was easy.

well day 1 defending saki was just the first 3 pages brah. after all i solved the game and was the reason the game caught up by conf-towning my self.

anyway i am not telling you to sheep me. I am telling you to read the posts and give your opinion. (to get the game moving as in the game above).

[ZZZX]

anyway once you are free tell me who you are willing to push today for the lynch. i had not had this info from you yet.

[ZZZX]

anyway, if you're town, sheep me. not me sheep you. you know the sonic and zzzx method. you have been calling me to sheep you all the game which I found very fishy.

I called you to sheep me ONCE(1). And even the great sonic needs a wake up shock sometimes. I believe you are wrong on greyIce. After my 1v1 with him I am 75% sure.

[Metal Sonic]

Sonic attempts to crack the game

*all information from my team PT is paraphrased to the best of my ability to avoid mod infractions

Okay guys so I promised yesterday that I was going to post my thoughts and my team's thoughts and then figure out scum from there.

Here's a quick overview of our reads on Tuesday 21 April. A good timezone checkmark is my "Catching up from page 127" post.

Sonic

: Ooba and Zar

shos

: ZZZX and wgeurts

vezokpiraka

: GreyIce and wgeurts

Maybe I should explain why I am no longer reading ZZZX as conftown first.

I saw wgeurts vs ZZZX in pages 134 - 137 and wow! ZZZX comes off from that very very very town to me. So I post in my team PT "ZZZX is 200% town and I am not lynching him ever".

Then shos comes in and tells me that ZZZX is extremely scum.

So I didn't believe him as if he was crazy.

Then Alchemist delivers Titus

pizza

VCA and I looked at it because I value Titus's words

a lot

and ABR was town without reasonable doubt. So ZZZX was at 2nd last place! He discredited Titus's VCA in 141 which I did not like on many levels. Like mollie was just another "sore loser" of the Uncouth but ZZZX just said "[Titus] VCA is pointless" which is not a smart thing in a 0 PRs, open setup with 100% death-by-lynches. But I kept quiet because that is not necessarily a scummy thing.

But the next day less than 24 hours, GreyICE suddenly 1v1 ZZZX and we all saw it. So 3706 and there was conversation in my team thread.

#3781 - #3787 came at the wrong time, with the wrong tone, and with some nasty reactions after my poke.

Shos wanted to remind me of

also your posting pattern is frankly the same ine very sonic game. if i listen to you any more i will get affected by emotions . I will follow nacho's plan and if grey doesnt flip scum you might die.

"If grey flips town I might die"

which does not make sense because Grey is supposed to choose his venge if he is town. This sounds very similar to wgeurts "lets flip Grey then flip MS hooray!" except less obnoxious but subtle is the danger here.

Also, he was putting mollie in the lynchability pool which is ridiculous because Nacho specifically said that "Mollie is my top town read" so. mollie can deal with that issue herself.

Anyway I am still townreading ZZZX but I am not going to take shit from him like I would have earlier. If you are going to scumread me for that then bring it on.

Here is the bottomline:

GreyICE says ZX is scum, I may not trust him
Alchemist says ZX is scum, I may not trust him
but my CONFTOWN TEAMMATE says ZX is scum, I am going to trust him.

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Shos's thoughts on the game:

-> Lynchability pool {ZZZX, GreyICE, wgeurts, mollie*}
-> Strongly doubts that there was only one scum involved in the Nacho mislynch

-> *mollie can be scum
-> -> due to meta reasons, she is aware of her own meta and people in the game who do so, and she adjusts to the gamestate
-> -> he has detected some unsettling things
-> -> -> with Nacho being in the game, they have played numerous games together and this interaction appears to be different

-> Town should lynch wgeurts and GreyICE.
-> If by some dark magic both flip town, ZZZX has to go
-> 3534
-> He does not expect the game to last until mollie

-> ZZZX can entirely possibly be scum even if both are not scum
-> Disclaimer: shos reads ZZZX as scum in every game that they play in, so it could be a playstyle clash.

-> Zar is completely not playing to his scum meta.
-> Will townread him higher than ooba
-> Hammer and reasoning for Kagami is strongly town in his opinion

-> shos does not understand why ooba is SO townread
-> optimal strategy is to bus all partners for cred
-> do not go "OMGZ OOBA SO TOWN"

->Page 130 or around there contains wgeurts posts that are extremely survivalistic and as if he is trying to slip out of a lynch.
-> Is just begging to be called scum in a nightless game

-> "I TOLD YOU SO" about nacho

-> "<3" to mollie

also I am thoroughly not enjoying this game. I wish I never wld have replaced who and I wish I never wld have swapped into this game.

Shos wants to know why DID you replace into this game?
why don't you enjoy this game?

This game is very enjoyable -- it's active, it's not broken, nobody is really obvscum or obvtown, what do you enjoy in a game, if not that?

MS,
Still want you lynched.
However it's causing chaos pushing you.

And ZZZX gave a good plan

why do you want me lynched when i am your town read?

why do you want me lynched when i am your town read?

As I then get ooba's vote and a metric tonne of associatives.

I'm town, town mislynch no matter how you word it ALWAYS hinders town.
There is almost never a positive side to it unless you're in a bastard game.

This is a good catch.

This should be a day-ending catch.

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Vezok's lynchability pool is {wgeurts, GreyICE, Zar}

-> Vezok thinks Grey is scum.
-> Wgeurts is scum with grey.
-> -> Does not like how Grey changed his read on wgeurts
-> Wgeurts is more scummy than Grey so wgeurts dies first.

-> Reasons for GreyIce scumread: For "breaking the town bloc" and "his reads switch". "Looks like caught scum throwing mud at everything".

-> Game should be won after these 3 are lynched.


vezok is less caught up on our game than shos. Oh well.

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Sonic's lynchability pool is {wgeurts, ooba, zar}

-> Ruling out mollie and Alchemist as scum

-> Ooba as attempting to derail Kagami-scumlynch
-> -> Fails, projects onto my slot
-> -> Prevents GreyICE and Zar lynches
-> -> -> Plays an extremely calculated game, if scum expected long-term planning

-> wgeurts as not "knowing what to do as Town"
-> -> Possibly taking advantage of ooba-town
-> -> Most dubious reasons for vote on my wagon
-> -> -> Plays an extremely sloppy game, fails to play optimally
-> -> -> Lack of teammate engagement

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[Metal Sonic]

did you play very well this game? because I dont see it. Day 1 you were voting Rachmarie and your votes were all wrong. Day 2 your voting sns and you even tried to defend Saki Day 1 but luckily you switched. Day 3 was easy.

well day 1 defending saki was just the first 3 pages brah. after all i solved the game and was the reason the game caught up by conf-towning my self.

anyway i am not telling you to sheep me. I am telling you to read the posts and give your opinion. (to get the game moving as in the game above).

fine.

I give you my opinion every day thou.

[Metal Sonic]

Revised Conclusion, 24 April Thursday

Possible scumteams:

wgeurts + ZZZX

: Both players have demonstrated potential basic distancing techniques throughout the course of the game. Rarely putting their vote when it matters, and never pushed vocally for flipped scum. Incidentally at the bottom of Titus's VCA.

wgeurts + GreyICE

Vezok originally raised this possibility, as GreyIce would then be a player to have violently bussed all three buddies.

Ooba + Zar

Now unviable. Not only I've retracted my ooba scumread in relation to Zar, points for Zar come in Titus's VCA where he is ranked just below me, + shos has a strong townread on Zar.

Ooba + ZZZX

ZZZX and Ooba are both highly townread; mutually conftowning each other even more so. ZZZX's plan involves getting Ooba into his townblock at 3p, and Ooba recently stated that ZZZX is 'townier than Grey', rubbing me the wrong way with the stance change.

GreyICE + Zar

Nacho was right, 4/4, we should all nominate him for Paragon of Scum Hunters or something.

[Metal Sonic]

Well I did ponder wether his hard nacho town read would be to buy town cred, anyway. So the plan is to stick to Nacho's kill order until one flips town at which point we vengeful until we can figure the scum out by ourselves.
Those opposing this will likely be scum, they'll dislike their fate being controlled by randomisation and town's skill. They can't influence it like they want to.

ZZZX
Nacho's plan is more decided by randomness.
If you could help form the one I'm trying to make we can think about all possible situations.
You are town so why the fuxk aren't you listening?
I don't trust anyone elses alignment but yours.
Please see that

Lol.

Who dislikes their fate being controlled by randomisation again?

[Metal Sonic]

@mollie reposting for visibility

also I am thoroughly not enjoying this game. I wish I never wld have replaced who and I wish I never wld have swapped into this game.

Shos wants to know why DID you replace into this game?
why don't you enjoy this game?

This game is very enjoyable -- it's active, it's not broken, nobody is really obvscum or obvtown, what do you enjoy in a game, if not that?

[wgeurts]

Metal, it's no longer random.
We've got a town bloc of 3 people, we will win anyway.
Scum are now trying to rip it apart I guess.

[ZZZX]

Metal how the fuck can you misrep me so hard. how is someone talking about building flips is equal me canceling his venge when I am talking about me dying since he will VENGE me as he said.

Also do you have nothing about him misreping every single post of mine?

Just saying metal that your rating with me is down. If you think I am scum lynch me and follow my plan (which is nacho's)

DO IT.

[ZZZX]

Like in many games i had here recently i understand being scum read but in this one if you scum read me you are either:

1- Not reading the last few pages AT ALL

2- Scum

3- Plainly .... bad


Metal are you starting to doubt me? Are you not the person who told me not to doubt the town blok when i doubted you? or is it a one sided deal?

[ZZZX]

Also statistics say that bold text is read 50% more.

[ZZZX]

ALso metal you didnt tell me any thoughts about the plan after being asked for 4 times, I will just leave this here, please do it this game day.

also tell me which points grey said about me are true and which points i said about grey are true. so I can make sure you are reading and not making up stuff, last guy who was caught by me making up stuff (e.g. kagami) was scum.

[Metal Sonic]

are you fucking blind? I said that I'm still townreading you.

but maybe I am replacing your slot in the town block with mine since I'm more townread than you

you are throwing a hissy fit everytime I say that you look scummy which is fukcing wrong

I look scummy all the time as town and I don't give a shit

[Metal Sonic]

it is a good thing I know zzzxspeak

It is more difficult than molliespeak

It's 2.30 am let the other town look at what I wrote

[Metal Sonic]

Like in many games i had here recently i understand being scum read but in this one if you scum read me you are either:

1- Not reading the last few pages AT ALL

2- Scum

3- Plainly .... bad


Metal are you starting to doubt me? Are you not the person who told me not to doubt the town blok when i doubted you? or is it a one sided deal?

yes I am starting to doubt you because 1. shos said so 2. You doubted me in the last 50 pages like more than 5 times 3.you are at the bottom of TITUS wall of win


and if you are saying that I am doubting you because of the grey thing (hint: I didnt give much of a shit) then you are the one who is misrepping me

[ZZZX]

Metal I am saying you didnt read any of hte grey thing yet you town read him.

also i understand shos, but you dont even know if titus's is that much of a thing. I said its pointless because he didnt explain how he got it. Its basically info that we never got.

2- I ended my doubt in you and you KNOW this is my town game more than anyone. Titus has NEVER read me right

yup, out of 5 games titus lynched me at all of them as town, scum reading me (well 4 times and one time she was scum) so

also shos... didnt play much with me

you ARE the best guy at reading me so you cant leave reading me to someone who didnt even play with me?

[ZZZX]

ask either of titus or shos if they have EVER read me correctly as scum, or even read me correctly at all:~

[pirate mollie]

Like mollie was just another "sore loser" of the Uncouth

WAT

I was lynched the first time before even receiving a role pm and I was nked after 10 posts. how am I a sore loser when my team won? I was nked before masons fery and nacho ffs.

I don't trust titus's vca at all I mean if you use it in every game you are bound to be right at least a couple of times but I have seen it be incredibly wrong.

Also, he was putting mollie in the lynchability pool which is ridiculous because Nacho specifically said that "Mollie is my top town read" so. mollie can deal with that issue herself.

I did.

-> "<3" to mollie

tell shos i <3 him too.

Shos wants to know why DID you replace into this game?
why don't you enjoy this game?

tell shos THIS:

I replaced into this game cos eddie was being scumread by nacho solely because nacho felt like I was not interacting with him and I felt like it was unfair.

I am not enjoying this game cos I have been heavily insulted, largely marginalized, put up for lynch fodder by ooba and zzthing and largely ignored unless some1 wants me to ignore my own reads and vote whom they want me to vote. I seem to be this bargaining tool where no1 cares about what I say or even tries to parse my alignment but every1 wants to put me in their lynch pool. <---- where is the enjoyment in that?

This game is very enjoyable -- it's active, it's not broken, nobody is really obvscum or obvtown, what do you enjoy in a game, if not that?

I enjoy games where I am treated as a human being and not a bargaining throwaway tool. its not happening in this game.

and like a true reactionist I am going to ignore the rest of your points until I have time to mull them over. cos I actually listen to what you say which makes our dynamics incredibly unreciprocal.

I still think you are town tho.

[pirate mollie]

Metal, it's no longer random.
We've got a town bloc of 3 people, we will win anyway.
Scum are now trying to rip it apart I guess.

who is this "town bloc" that you keep speaking of?

cos you seem to keep changing who is in it except for yourself.