Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[ChannelDelibird]

I can accept that, and I've already said that I can totally see you parking this vote on me and not listening to my defence as you did a few times at the Reckoning, so I'm not surprised. But me responding to you is as much for everyone else's benefit as it is yours. I'm confident that, the more that I talk and show what I've been thinking in this game, the more people in general will understand that I am town.

I would very much like to go digging into suspects but this is all I have the time to do right now, having explained for whom I would vote and why, as well as responding to things in real time, even if I wouldn't actually vote for TTH right now.

[hitogoroshi]

VC 88 (Major Day 1, VC 50)

(6)

ChannelDelibird:

Gammagooey, Titus, Shadoweh, Formerfish, Bulbazak, TellTaleHeart [L-4]
(4)

Titus:

Espeonage, vezokpiraka, Aronis, singersigner
(2)

singersigner:

mastin2, Untrod Tripod
(2)

Espeonage:

ActionDan, ChannelDelibird
(1)

Gammagooey:

DeasVail

(3)

Not Voting:

Oversoul, Cheetory6, GuyinFreezer

With 18 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday, April 25th, at 9PM CST.

Major Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

Bulbazak is V/LA until April 27th.

Just over 33 hours until deadline.

[Gammagooey]

I can accept that, and I've already said that I can totally see you parking this vote on me and not listening to my defence as you did a few times at the Reckoning, so I'm not surprised. But me responding to you is as much for everyone else's benefit as it is yours. I'm confident that, the more that I talk and show what I've been thinking in this game, the more people in general will understand that I am town.

There are obviously similarities but I'm really not the same player in real-life as I am on the forum. I am listening, and on here I think it's a lot more likely that people say something that actually shows town motivations when they get close to a lynch. I just don't think you've done that.

[ChannelDelibird]

Well, I'm almost out of energy at this point, so this might be it from me for a few hours, but I think you got too distracted by my townreading 3693 to listen properly to the parts of this post that explained my motivations. While I think your motivations are town, and maybe you haven't played enough forum games with me, I don't think you're doing a great job of understanding what I'm trying to do in the time that I have for this game.

[Gammagooey]

i think i've probably

joined

enough games with you

you just happened to replace out of all of them

[GuyInFreezer]

V/LA for few days

[ChannelDelibird]

Ooooof. That one hit a little too close to home.

[Gammagooey]

Also calling me distracted and saying I'm not listening properly scores a solid boring redirection out of ten

if you want the titus wagon dismantled and someone else to be your counterwagon its about time to do it by any means necessary. And if it is just playing around Alquin thats a boring excuse for not going after someone who could be scum making the same implications anyway.

You saying you haven't had time to sink your teeth into a scumread because of time is a reasonableish excuse but that's all it is. When you have something you're willing to actually try to CONVINCE people of instead of just pointing at then come back and we'll talk.

[ActionDan]

I suppose a flash espe lynch is not in the cards. I'll read up today

[ChannelDelibird]

I mean, I am trying to redirect you in a sense? I feel like you should know I'm town by now, even though that's demonstrably not going to happen, so I'm trying to redirect you to the parts of my posts that I think should have already shown you that. I don't think that's something that I am more likely to do as scum.

Basically there's nothing in that post just there that I don't agree with, but it's like you think that, as town, I would definitely have something that I knew I wanted to push right now, and I don't know why you think that that must be the case given my availability patterns. I think my stances on everyone are totally understandable, but I guess I would.

I can tell we're going in circles here but, like, I dunno. I don't disagree with you in principle but I'm sitting here knowing that I'm proof that your argument is damagingly inflexible.

[ChannelDelibird]

if you want the titus wagon dismantled and someone else to be your counterwagon its about time to do it by any means necessary.

I mean, yes. I agree. But my schedule, and everything that led me to this gamestate, is what it is. If I weren't busy tonight, I would be digging through ActionDan and Aronis and Espeonage and Bulbazak and Shadoweh to figure out which needed to die most urgently. But I am, so I can't. I will make an effort to either do some of that when I get back tonight or (less likely) wake up early to do some of that before work tomorrow, but I don't expect to be much less busy tomorrow (it's possible that my evening plans will fall through, though). That's what I'm getting at: you seem to think that I definitely would already have latched onto something and pushed it hard as town, but time and 150 pages that I haven't read thoroughly enough to be a pushy authority on anything say otherwise.

And yes, this is an excuse. Of course it is. That doesn't make it wrong.

[ChannelDelibird]

This has probably been one of the most pointless arguments on which I've ever spent this much time, hasn't it? I hope somebody got something out of it, at least.

[singersigner]

I have to work tonight, too, which is unfortunate, but my team and I would just like to comment that we feel pretty strongly that Titus is scum now, and she's been protecting Victor in one of her "town block"...it would be really nice for other people to comment on mine and Cheetory's case against her!

[Gammagooey]

I don't see why you'd think that would change my mind. You've done things, they're just not impactful to the gamestate in anyway. Like this is a post you made earlier.

I don't agree with your read on a player who has

the third-most posts in the game while still making

very little impact on anything at all, as well as the things that are pinging me that I've mentioned.

and she's [titus] been protecting Victor in one of her "town block"

this is so enormously baseless.

[ChannelDelibird]

I guess I'll have to address it if no other wagons have formed by the time I get back later, singer ... do you have a particular post or two that best sum it up? I did read your Shadoweh case btw, thought it was relatively unexciting despite my feelings on that slot.

[Gammagooey]

SINGER

Nope! Not lynching CDB anymore!

what was town? specifically.

[singersigner]

@Gamma...meh, that's fine. I can confirm it or not after a flip. She's scum so she's either Victor, or she's playing along with this whole town block thing to protect someone, which we think is more likely because town blocks are incredibly silly and anti-town in general.

@CDB...mine are in 3641 and 3645. Cheetory's starts in his ISO at 3293.

Preview Edit:
Crap! I missed that. Nothing he's done really, I'm just really strongly opposed to another wagon building up in the same way it did with TSO. AD and Esp were both very close to being lynched and then all of a sudden TSO was "sanctioned" by Ffery and people ate it up (including me) because it wasn't a terrible lynch. Now the same fucking thing is happening with CDB after a wagon built up on both myself at one point and Titus, because it was "Ffery sanctioned" again. I'll stand here and watch it happen if only to ring up those who were on both wagons without thoroughly being able to explain WHY and not use Ffery as an excuse.

[Gammagooey]

ffery already said she doesn't want to vote cdb anymore so

no

i want an actual read on cdb from you
based on the things he has done in this game.

[Titus]

Who the hell is Victor?

[Gammagooey]

i want an actual read on cdb from you
based on the things he has done in this game.

i want to be very clear

things that titus has done in this game
are not things that cdb has done or even reverse-done in this game

please do not confuse them

[Titus]

I guess I'll have to address it if no other wagons have formed by the time I get back later, singer ... do you have a particular post or two that best sum it up? I did read your Shadoweh case btw, thought it was relatively unexciting despite my feelings on that slot.

My interpretation: Please make a better Shadoweh case so we can mislynch her.

[singersigner]

ffery already said she doesn't want to vote cdb anymore so

no

i want an actual read on cdb from you
based on the things he has done in this game.

Oh, well in that case, I still don't like the wagon, but you're not going to get anything on CDB until tomorrow. His recent posts seem genuine and that's about as far as I can throw right now because I don't have time to analyze any further.

I really just think people are afraid to lynch Titus because she's loud and likes to bully people into doing what she wants (bully...eh, demand?), and since I have town reads on virtually

everyone

(save UT who...meh?) who was on her wagon, I'm 99.7% confident it wasn't scum driven, which means she either has the right town in her pocket, or scum are avoiding it, which means she really actually is scum, or...viktor now that I think of it...

Who the hell is Victor?

Victor

Viktor?

Also, lol...that's the one thing you have to say right now...lol...

[singersigner]

If/when Titus flips scum I will seriously reconsider my scumread of Mastin, and not just because Regfan asked me to.

[Gammagooey]

i want an actual read on cdb from you
based on the things he has done in this game.

i want to be very clear

things that titus has done in this game
are not things that cdb has done or even reverse-done in this game

please do not confuse them

I'm clearly not going to get anything useful from you about the specific posts cdb has made but I just wanted to point this out again

[singersigner]

I'm not even really sure what you mean by that. Like, at all.

Also, Mina signed off on not lynching CDB based on his recent posting, too. I'll have her put together something while I'm at work.