League of Legends (Old)

[animorpherv1]

do you really think you deserve to be a single division higher than you are?

Yes, because vision is not the sole determinant of who wins games.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Just get used to upgrading yellow trinket after your first item or so in roles like adc/mid/top. And just get sightstone as jungle/support as second item. And then just practice to find the proper time to ward

[hitogoroshi]

do you really think you deserve to be a single division higher than you are?

Yes, because vision is not the sole determinant of who wins games.

of course it's not. I'm merely giving one example of one metric you're bad at.

the point is, if there's something you're objectively worse at - not just worse, but way way worse - than a player of a lower rank, maybe the last thing you should be focusing on is "gosh I deserve to be higher".

if you're just going to whine about the other players in your games and complain about not being to advance past them, despite objective and incredibly obvious evidence of a huge weak point in your play, you're going to stay exactly at the skill cap you're at until you have an attitude adjustment, homie. If you're not trying to fix every aspect of your play, you're not going to improve; and you've played enough games that you're at where you belong until you improve.

maybe you're not grokkin the scale. Here's an example. you get a sightstone in your support games because vision is important. But the difference between sightstone and no sightstone for you is less than the difference between "being hito" and "being ani". you wouldn't play a support game and not buy sightstone, right? well you're effectively not buying sightstone just by being so much worse at warding than me.

vision is not the sole determinant. But you shouldn't really be losing to a lower ranked player on ANY metric, let alone losing by such a hilariously huge margin. But if you can see me beating you so effortlessly and think "whatever, it doesn't matter, I still deserve to be higher than this dude", then you're done at improving for as long as your awful and wrong attitude persists. savvy?

[TheButtonmen]

do you really think you deserve to be a single division higher than you are?

Yes, because vision is not the sole determinant of who wins games.

Fuck which rank of gold you are, that attitude is what's going to get you stuck. If you are serious about climbing the ranks then you first need to realize that your rank means absolutely nothing. Your goal needs to be being a better player, climbing the ranks is just a side effect.

Hito objectively identified a weak point in your play, fix it.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Vision is a lot more important then you think. My team as me playing Garen won against a Vayne and huge stacks Nasus at 50 minutes while they were ahead the entire game. They simply didn't win because they could never pick us off .
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=BSpwgZltfx4

If you're interested in that game. It doesn't matter how much a lane sucks, Vayne came out of lane with 6 kills. You can still win if you try

[Gendaberry]

I challenge that thought entirely. My vision is fine and is quite frankly better than a decent chunk of the people I play with regularly (yes, I do have some games where my vision is horrendous - but don't we all? Also, SK Gaming got first place in the regular season despite their lack of vision). My lack of vision is not important if I ping missing like a madman and the other laners don't back off, giving off free kills, and when I do place wards that see the enemies, they still die anyways. If I was playing in higher elos I wouldn't be playing with teammates so bad it makes me feel like I'm in Bronze all the time, who call gg at first blood 3 minutes in, or feed everyone because they got ganked with no wards up. League, at it's current state, is a game where it is much easier for one person to mess up and lose the game for their team than it is to do the exact opposite and carry 4 feeders.

I just played a fair few practice 1v1s with a friend who's around equal (if not better) skill level as I last night, and I managed to win 2 of the 3 lanes by a decent amount (stomping the first and making some outplays to gain me a lead in the other) and managed to not get horrendously stomped in the 3rd. I've won lanes vs. platinum players on a fairly consistent basis on champions I practice with. I know which of my champions to play into which champions that give me the best chance at countering them. I know what to do with a lead and how to snowball it into a win on each champion I play consistently.

You don't know how much I hate things like this. Do you think people in higher tiers got there through luck or something? Did all the people I know in diamond/plat get there not through skill, but by getting lucky with good teams? You don't climb through being lucky, you climb through being better then the people in your tier. The only reason you think your individual performance doesn't matter is because you don't perform well enough to be able to carry games. You know what to do to snowball a lead into a win? I'm sorry, but if you knew how to consistently get a lead and snowball it, you wouldn't be in gold.

Also, how do you expect to even climb in ranked when you barely play it? In the past 12 days, op.gg says you've played 9 ranked games. Most of the people in my tier play at least that many ranked games every 1-2 days. If you're busy and can't play ranked or you don't enjoy it thats fine, but you can't really complain about not being able to climb when you barely even play ranked.

[animorpherv1]

Also, how do you expect to even climb in ranked when you barely play it? In the past 12 days, op.gg says you've played 9 ranked games. Most of the people in my tier play at least that many ranked games every 1-2 days. If you're busy and can't play ranked or you don't enjoy it thats fine, but you can't really complain about not being able to climb when you barely even play ranked.

The only thing I feel like addressing right now is this, I'll probably come back to the rest later. But suffice it to say that I've been largely avoiding ranked with the sole purpose to improve, but no matter what I try nothing that I've been trying to fix has been working.

I went several months doing largely ranked games to get from S2 to G4, and now I'm just frustrated.

[zoraster]

In any competitive event, most people experience plateaus in performance. Whether that's lifting weights, running fast, playing chess, or league of legends it'll happen to most people. But lots of people eventually break through that frustrating period... it just takes time and (sometimes) perspective. You maybe got as good as you could through doing the same sorts of things you were doing before -- just doing them better. But at some point that has to end and you have to figure out different ways to do it.

Not using my own league performance as a source of advice -- I suck and I will likely always suck -- but just general insight into how life works.

[Voidedmafia]

I'd hire Hito as my League Life coach (actually if I could I'd link the replays of the five placement games I've had and ask some of you guys to critique me. I figure one part of it is having something like LoLReplay, but I don't think I have what I need to actually make the replays viewable to you guys or something.)

Btw, general question regarding mid: I'm fairly positive that the first item you should get is morello's/Athenes most of the time (because first-world mana problems), excluding mana-less champs like Kat, but should I almost always go for, like, Rabadon's next item unless I absolutely NEED to buy a defensive item (either because my opponent got fed or because someone else on their team is getting too huge to simply ignore them and go stragith damage)?

[animorpherv1]

I'd hire Hito as my League Life coach (actually if I could I'd link the replays of the five placement games I've had and ask some of you guys to critique me. I figure one part of it is having something like LoLReplay, but I don't think I have what I need to actually make the replays viewable to you guys or something.)

Btw, general question regarding mid: I'm fairly positive that the first item you should get is morello's/Athenes most of the time (because first-world mana problems), excluding mana-less champs like Kat, but should I almost always go for, like, Rabadon's next item unless I absolutely NEED to buy a defensive item (either because my opponent got fed or because someone else on their team is getting too huge to simply ignore them and go stragith damage)?

Second item is pretty flexible. Here are a few things I'd suggest for an AP character, assuming no need to build defensively and you're manaless:

• Zhonya's (For those times where you're somewhat behind and don't know what to build)
  
• Abyssal Scepter (great replacement for DFG. If you can be in range to use the passive)
  
• Luden's Echo (the active on this item is crazy good early/midgame, really good at snowballing too)
  
• Deathcap (Adds a ton of burst)
  
• Lich Bane (Not a good first item, but works great with some AP. Great if you can get in autos)
  
• Twin Shadows (Having problems landing skillshots?)
  
• Void Staff (You do pretty much true damage with VS + MPen boots)

[TheButtonmen]

D.Cap second item can sometimes be less cost effective then something like voidstaff so I'd always keep that in the back of your mind when you're choosing which item to go next and it lets you dodge the awkward 1600 requirment if you're forced back / killed at awkward times.

[PJ.]

Lol hito, do my wards.

@voided, builds and item order are on a champ by champ basis. I can think of more than one mana champ that doesn't want Morello or Athene first. It's best to look up popular high elo builds, think about why it works/if you can accomplish that goal with your skill set and go from there.

[zoraster]

i always forget. is this you, panzer? http://wardscore.loltools.net/?name=Aud ... &region=na

[Glork]

Hito objectively identified a weak point in your play, fix it.

Amen.

One of my biggest weak points is, once the laning phase has ended and it turns to objective control, I tend to get a little lost. Sometimes it's fine because our team actually communicates, and other times it's like everyone just runs around doing their own thing and I wind up randomly split pushing lanes or something when I feel like I should be grouping to take objectives.

[Voidedmafia]

i always forget. is this you, panzer? http://wardscore.loltools.net/?name=Aud ... &region=na

I'd like to know just what games they track and how they score things.

[zoraster]

ranked. they search wards per game.

[PJ.]

Yeah. Audiotsunami is my main. I'm actually surprised I have so many wards

[zoraster]

it counts trinket wards, so probably that.

[Maestro]

I wind up randomly split pushing lanes or something when I feel like I should be grouping to take objectives.

Quick fix to this situation would probably be (IMO) to make sure you're the one who starts communication and at least says "Hey guys, I feel like we should be taking objectives" or whatever. Pinging Dragon / a tower several times helps. Usually if I "feel like I should" be doing something, I try to say something right away like "Bot is dead / backed, let's do Drag" etc.

Be the one who gets the communication going if it's what you've realized helps you...?
Probably an obvious suggestion. Maybe part of this is that you feel like your shot-calling isn't very good...?

On another note - whoever found that bot on Reddit found something kinda fun.

Sorry for what turned into a wall below!

Spoiler: Me!

Hi, you are Maestrust from NA.

Your top 5 most played champions in ranked games this season are: Jinx, Morgana, Sivir, Thresh, Tristana
Recently, you have played: Lucian, Caitlyn, Garen, Cho'Gath, Hecarim, Karthus, Aatrox, Thresh, Master Yi

Champions you might want to try:

Graves

, Vayne,

Zed!

Other champions you might want to try:

Corki

, Kalista, Teemo,

Gragas

,

Vladimir

, Kog'Maw, Nautilus

Ani's been going at me for awhile about the Gospel according to Graves... so maybe I should give him a try.
Zed - tried recently on freeweak and in URF and he is tons of fun, I'll admit. All the same reasons I like Yasuo.
Vayne - played before but never really got into.

I should give Corki more of a free pass 'til I try him more, but he's never felt like he's done tons of damage when I've played against him before. A lot of his stuff is super-telegraphed too, or maybe that's just me. Ditto Kog'Maw. I should break out my Vladimir skin(s) since he seems to be in a good place right now.

I hate Kalista. Teemo is Teemo. Anybody can Teemo, IMO.
Grag is one I've never tried, admittedly. He's like a fat, tanky Janna, right?
Meanwhile Nautilus is a more tanky Thresh with a fatter, slower hook... ???

Spoiler: Klazam!

Hi, you are Klazam from NA.

Your top 5 most played champions in ranked games this season are: Morgana, Cho'Gath, Braum, Sivir, Rek'Sai
Recently, you have played: Cho'Gath, Nautilus, Morgana, Janna

Champions you might want to try:

Thresh

, Gragas, Vladimir
Other champions you might want to try:

Lulu

,

Nami

, Kennen, Zac,

Karma

,

Soraka

Yo Klaz, I agree with this bot. Lulu is fun, Nami is ezpz, and I've

SAID

you should try Karma because low CDs and high base damages and a consistent power-level are fun, especially on the kind of Mage/Support you like. Apparently Zac is really good now (just pick up your damn blobs), and I've never touched Kennen but

SUPERMOBILEMAGEZOMG

what could go wrong, amIright?

TL;DR

What would you all recommend for trying Corki?
What would you all recommend for being a slightly-better-than-shitty Vlad?
Gragas: fat, tanky Janna or a more-in-your-face Maokai, or... ???
Nautilus: fatter, slower, Thresh with a bigger, slower hook... ???

[Maestro]

Hito, how did you do all that analysis of Ani's games? My wardscore looks good to me on paper but I don't know how to delve deeper. For reference, I think I've upgraded yellow trinket 7-9 of my last 10 Ranked games, which is all it counts, right?

http://wardscore.loltools.net/?name=Maestrust&region=na

[hitogoroshi]

I'd hire Hito as my League Life coach (actually if I could I'd link the replays of the five placement games I've had and ask some of you guys to critique me. I figure one part of it is having something like LoLReplay, but I don't think I have what I need to actually make the replays viewable to you guys or something.)

Btw, general question regarding mid: I'm fairly positive that the first item you should get is morello's/Athenes most of the time (because first-world mana problems), excluding mana-less champs like Kat, but should I almost always go for, like, Rabadon's next item unless I absolutely NEED to buy a defensive item (either because my opponent got fed or because someone else on their team is getting too huge to simply ignore them and go stragith damage)?

I'm not super good but if you poke me on steam/skype I can try speccing or whatever. Or getting more casting practice - it's been an off-and-on dream of mine to get good at casting but just hard to find the time. If a play-by-play person wants to join forces with me, let me know! (I'm color commentator to the bone.)

What would you all recommend for being a slightly-better-than-shitty Vlad?

oh gosh I could rant for ages about vlad. basically early magipen is king because magipen scales with empowered stacks. You want hextech often but not always, you virtually never want to finish out wota early. any time you have 1600 pretty much get a rod, aside from situations when you REALLY need to get an edge right the heck now (the hp on buying rod makes the vulnerability window for a naked rod much smaller than for most ap champs). You want to get to Zhonyas + Cap + Visage + Sorc + guise or void + sometimes hextech on Vlad, but there are a million paths to get there and mastering them is a key part of vlad.

Hito, how did you do all that analysis of Ani's games? My wardscore looks good to me on paper but I don't know how to delve deeper.

Just did it manually from the match history. it was a pain but I did it because I have love in my heart and want ani to succeed

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not super good but if you poke me on steam/skype I can try speccing or whatever. Or getting more casting practice - it's been an off-and-on dream of mine to get good at casting but just hard to find the time. If a play-by-play person wants to join forces with me, let me know! (I'm color commentator to the bone.)

Would it just be hitogoroshi or something?

Just did it manually from the match history. it was a pain but I did it because I have love in my heart and want ani to succeed

How'd you figure it all--wait, nvm, lol, match history shows ward placement.

(Jeez, I did 12 this last game? Man, I slouched hard...)

Game 6/10. I'm kinda getting back into the swing of CSing as an AD, and I think I can say I actually won my lane (insofar as I had more CS than Lucian and I killed his turret first). Lee and Kat carried this game, though we all had a WTF moment when Lux stole our 4th dragon away from us right after we killed Rammus. Thankfully, she didn't get baron and we were able to push for the win.

Also, someone please tell me why the fuck ads are carrying teleport? It's stupid and I don't see how it works at all.

[hitogoroshi]

I'm not super good but if you poke me on steam/skype I can try speccing or whatever. Or getting more casting practice - it's been an off-and-on dream of mine to get good at casting but just hard to find the time. If a play-by-play person wants to join forces with me, let me know! (I'm color commentator to the bone.)

Would it just be hitogoroshi or something?

flaminghito on skype and league. [ZPR] Hito on steam is the best way to contact me, though.

Also, someone please tell me why the fuck ads are carrying teleport? It's stupid and I don't see how it works at all.

dude built two shivs, let's not try to figure out his motivations here.

[zoraster]

I don't think it's optimal (heal has saved me/my teammates from getting killed/gotten me kills almost as much as flash), but teleport on an ADC isn't exactly like taking clairvoyance or something. Teleport is pretty awesome.

[zoraster]

ps. why doesn't chrome know the word teleport when google quickly defines it?