PEDIT: I didn't say I expected anything, Gamma. I said I was hoping. Take off the fucking scumglasses.
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On singer/Cheetory's Titus case, as briefly as possible because I want to get to other people:
singer's
3641: Titus is a very particular person, who often sees things in quite different ways to others. I can believe that she believes the weird distinction between meta and meta as highlighted in the first part of this post.
The bit about the changing stance on singer, re: trusting ffery's read on Empire, is maybe the part of this post that I find most interesting but, as I believe that she's genuinely trying to be more accessible in this game by encouraging cooperation between people she thinks she's reading well, I don't find it particularly weird that she's talking about contributing part of a case rather than a full one of her own.
The thing about 'wants coaching that assumes she's town' actually sounds like an argument for Titus town, if anything.
singer's
3645: As far as using ffery as a shield to reduce responsibility for her own choices, I don't necessarily disagree with this, and the I think the game as a whole needs to do it less. Having an innocent child for 130 pages or whatever it's been is incredibly distorting. But, again, I don't think that's necessarily something that's more likely to come from Titus as scum. I think it makes a lot of sense as either alignment, but particularly for a town Titus who's trying to be more approachable and cooperative.
The weird "stop scumreading me for being a decent person" part is maybe the part that makes me most want to vote Titus out of what I've been shown here - I have the hardest time explaining how such a statement makes sense - but it's not much. I really can't help feeling that this is the sort of argument that happens with Titus all the time, in that her playstyle and way of thinking rubs a lot of people up the wrong way
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she's actively trying to do something different in this game so it makes total sense that that would grind on people in this game. Essentially a lot of what I'm reading here just brings me back to 'it's a personality clash' and that doesn't make me want to vote for Titus. As in a lot of games, I think a lot of Titus's conclusions here make very little sense to me, but I feel like I can understand the intent under it, more or less. And I really don't want to let go of that, because it feels more fundamentally true than nitpicking at her individual posts, because I don't think I've seen a Titus game in which there isn't a major flare-up on her like this.
Cheetory's argument, as best as I can follow up without going back to dig up quotes from that truly terrifying Titus iso, revolves around claiming the detect being bad (I dunno, not sure I have a good enough handle on the mechanics to get into a debate there when there's every chance that Titus would just think differently to me on what's good practice anyway) and that he thinks she's doing too much teambuilding and not enough scumhunting. Maybe it's just because I'm someone who she's scumreading fairly vociferously, but I don't feel like she's neglected that part of the game so much. I agree that the teambuilding stuff is excessive, but I don't see why townTitus wouldn't hit that as hard as this if that hadn't been very much her intention in dealing with the game that way. It's not even as if we can point to her and say that approach isn't paying off because we've only had one lynch in this game so far.
tl;dr
Titus case feels like it boils down, fundamentally, to whether or not you believe that she's taken this approach genuinely as town. I don't find a compelling reason to disbelieve that, so I don't want to vote for her.
