Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[hitogoroshi]

VC 89 (Major Day 1, VC 51)

(6)

ChannelDelibird:

Gammagooey, Titus, Shadoweh, Formerfish, Bulbazak, TellTaleHeart [L-4]
(3)

Titus:

Espeonage, vezokpiraka, Aronis

(singersigner)

(3)

ActionDan:

ChannelDelibird, DeasVail, singersigner
(2)

singersigner:

mastin2, Untrod Tripod
(1)

Espeonage:

ActionDan

(ChannelDelibird)

(0)

Gammagooey:

(DeasVail)

(3)

Not Voting:

Oversoul, Cheetory6, GuyinFreezer

With 18 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday, April 25th, at 9PM CST.

Major Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

Bulbazak is V/LA until April 27th. GuyInFreezer is V/LA until April 27th.

Just over 22 hours until deadline.

[ActionDan]

I'm looking at cdbs vote amd having myself a sensible chuckle. A proper rebuttal, to basically everything, will have to come in the morning though.

[Untrod Tripod]

dat counterwagon

vote CDB

[Shadoweh]

It's like you only post to try and make me upset. Deasvail why.

[vezokpiraka]

I'm not sure if I'll be around for deadline.

Sorry CDB, I think you're town, but I want a lynch.

unvote
vote CDB

@FFery: Can you five us a last readlist?

[mastin2]

I'd like to see if Ffery and Mastina can agree with someone with a bit more recent conflict. Someone who we can look at their reads and go gee that might be a good or bad idea. Someone we can adjust or refine our reads.

Honestly unless she wants to lynch DV (her resistance to singer has been made

quite

clear), I don't see that happening because the only two reads I actually feel like lynching are DV and singer.

Any other name, I feel could and in most cases probably will flip town. And that our best and realistically only true shot of getting a D1 scumlynch is lynching one of those two.

(Yes, I have twenty pages to read. I'll get it done.)

[mastin2]

psst do you really think DV can happen today?

Anything is possible, if you beliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeve~~~!

[mastin2]

b. I've been super duper fucking clear that I'd vote mastin for policy, not alignment

(Btw, UT, I consider your attitude this game so much a pile of trash that the feeling's pretty much mutual. I've been keeping that pent up inside of me for a while, but your posts have been irking me for the vast majority of the game because there's a lot of complaining in them and degrading plenty of useful stuff as being useless. I find your style of play absolutely despicable your alignment regardless, and honestly think your team would be better off with you replacing out for a player that is less abrasive and more invested. I have a very thick skin. But I do not appreciate your demeaning attitude; I tolerate it mainly because in spite of it, you're still at least being marginally useful. Yet I still need to speak my peace about it, nasty as it is to type this.)

DV is widely not talked about.

When I get caught up, I probably will move my vote there for what it's worth. On the slimmest of slim hopes that it'd get ffery's approval.

[mastin2]

I'm not sure what feather you have up your ass about mastin being "obvtown"

Really now?

Let me reverse that around.
Maybe.
Maybe. You I could see.
But Anti.
And ETL.

What. the. HELL. are they doing not telling you I am?

Heck, by now they should be telling you I'm conftown.

[mastin2]

(5)

Titus:

Espeonage, Cheetory6, GuyInFreezer, vezokpiraka, Untrod Tripod [L-5]
(4)

Aronis:

Gammagooey, Shadoweh, TellTaleHeart, Titus
(2)

singersigner:

mastin2, Aronis
(2)

Espeonage:

ActionDan, ChannelDelibird
(1)

Untrod Tripod:

Oversoul
(1)

Shadoweh:

singersigner
(3)

Not Voting:

Formerfish, DeasVail, Bulbazak

Btw, the Titus wagon is bad, but I'm not sure who would be scum on it.

The Aronis wagon is good name-wise, so could be scum, but not sure.

I just really don't have a strong lockdown on reads right now other than TTH/Bulb/Titus as town and singer/DV as scum.

[mastin2]

Also, the wagons I could get behind at this point are Shadoweh, CDB, AD, (probably Titus but it kind of makes me sick now), UT, and...meh, I dunno...I feel like I'm townreading everyone. -_-

(I'd like to reemphasize that Shadow and Titus both look town, and the other names look like they suck too. It feels to me the same way Empire's reads did to pie.)

[mastin2]

UT, Nacho feels like you're displaying an uncharacteristic level of hostility.

(^Why I would lynch UT. I would do so with absolutely no clue whether he was town or scum because the level of hostility from him has been so...bad.)

(10) T S O: Untrod Tripod, Gammagooey, singersigner, vezokpiraka, Cheetory6, ActionDan, GuyInFreezer, ChannelDelibird

Btw, another thing making me not so sure about my reads is that on here, I have a singular scumread in singer. I get deja vu with TSO compared to Bulbazak, though: the Bulbazak bane was from my understanding a last-minute thing. The TSO wagon was most certainly a last-minute thing. I have one scumread on there, a different one on both. So while the numbers alone tell me that there's another scum on it minimum...I'm not sure.

[ChannelDelibird]

Shadoweh, I don't know why you think someone on my team called you a good player. It was me. I don't think I implied otherwise. The wine bottle thing is pretty much how I feel, tbh, though no drinks were had yesterday.

Vezok, vote ActionDan ffs.

Posting from bed, will get up and be back soon

[mastin2]

I'm starting to get paranoid I'm being manipulated into fighting with other stubborn confrontational people so that we'll clutter up the thread and the scum can hide
who benefits from just sort of letting this happen and maybe egging it on? are all of us just on completely the wrong track?

(Psst. The natural assumption from this is that Titus and Oversoul are town and the likes of singer and DV are scum.)

[mastin2]

Other people that I'm not going to vote for today unless weird and wonderful things happen: Cheetory6,

Espeonage, Formerfish

, Mastin2, Oversoul,

Singersigner

, Vezokpiraka
People I would want to lynch but there are things stopping me from wanting to lynch them right now: Bulbazak, Shadoweh, TTH

Again with the backwards reads.

Especially egregious from DV.

People I want to look at: ActionDan, Aronis, CDB, Gammagooey, GiF, Untrod Tripod

This feels like blatantly sheeping the existing wagons, too.

(5)

Titus:

Espeonage, Cheetory6, GuyInFreezer, vezokpiraka, Aronis [L-5]
(2)

singersigner:

mastin2, Untrod Tripod

(Aronis)

(2)

ChannelDelibird:

Gammagooey, Titus
(2)

Espeonage:

ActionDan, ChannelDelibird
(1)

Aronis:

Shadoweh
(0)

Shadoweh:

(singersigner)

(0)

Untrod Tripod:

(Oversoul, Titus)

(6)

Not Voting:

Formerfish, DeasVail, Bulbazak, TellTaleHeart, Oversoul, singersigner

(Titus)

+singer's broken vote on Titus.

Yeah, that wagon has scum.

I come baring gifts from Regfan! Updated reads. Hooraaaaay!
Town (S->W): (Very very confident) Cheer, Oversoul, Vezok,

DV

, Mastin, [Gap], GIF, UT, Formerfish, Aronis, [Gap],(Very weak) TTH, Esp, AD.
Null: CDB, Gamma
Scum (S->W):

Shadoweh, [Gap], Titus, Bulb

Again with the backwards. reads. Shadow, Titus, and Bulb are all basically conftown. CDB and Gamma are really,

really

easy pushes, too.

I share Shadow's sentiment on singer for what it's worth, ffery. I really, really,

really

think that when you go to the graveyard...you will instantly hold MASSIVE regret at having defended her so hard, when people like me have been pushing her and been stopped by you.

[mastin2]

(Worth mentioning I guess is that while we're at me saying my reads, I have a gut-scumread on Cheet, but it has absolutely no rational explanation whatsoever. I'm generally trusting the townreads people have, such as pie having Cheet as second-strongest plus me having originally had a townread there to override said gut-suspicion, yet I feel like I should mention it all the same as being there. Still, though. My main focus remains on singer and DV.)

[ChannelDelibird]

Your read on me is amusing to me in the sense that you sound like you have a bottle of wine in front of you. It would go a long way if you just answered the concern that I brought up of who exactly called me a 'good player' on your team, and why they think that. My thoughts are stubbornly stuck on that point because it doesn't make sense. Fenchurch hasn't played with me, so even though she's scumreading me she doesn't have a basis for whether I'm good at it or not. CES probably hasn't even said my name. Patrick is unfamiliar with me too. And you were fairly condesendingly dismissive of me in Fantasy Camp. So it seems like a sentiment that either came out of nowhere in order to pacify me despite me being someone you would prefer to die.

Bleary-eyed, I didn't answer this fully. You mentioned Fantasy Camp and a) given my swift exit, I can remember almost nothing about that game and had filed it under 'games in which I null-scum read Shadoweh because apparently I suck' and b) I'm sorry if I was condescendingly dismissive of you. I don't recall but it sounds like one of my worst qualities, so yeah, I apologise.

CES had just read this post of yours too and finds it strange that you ruled him out of saying it for badically no reason. If it

had

been one of my team who said it (again, it wasn't, and I'm clearly in the habit of saying when reads have come from my team-mates), then by your own logic CES is the most likely one to have said it. He doesn't understand why you've decided that he couldn't have.

[mastin2]

Also, Bulba's posting is a godsend.
If he were scum, I would cry.
Tears of sadness that someone

so dang competent

would be scum.
Tears of laughter that he'd be more town than actual town.
And tears of joy that he had grown so much to pull that off.

I'm not quoting his posting to keep my own iso a bit shorter. But I can skip to basically any post and almost any line in his post, and say, "Yeah, this." He's so on-point this game it's incredible.

[mastin2]

(10) T S O: Titus, Untrod Tripod, Gammagooey, singersigner, mastin2, vezokpiraka, Cheetory6, ActionDan, GuyInFreezer, ChannelDelibird [Lynch!]

There are 5 votes on that wagon that I really don't like. I know they're not all scum, but surely you can see the problem with you not seeing any of them being "remotely scum". Heck, simple VCA theory should tell you to reset.

I'm actually wanting to run a theory.

Compare the TSO wagon to the TTH wagon to your wagon, see if a maybe-potential-pattern is emerging.

I mean, Titus is town, and I trust her on GIF being town. But I kinda thing that Cheetory is scum (again, absolutely nothing tangible on this at all, just general feelings) and obviously think singer is scum. Given my DV suspicion, what I'm basically looking for is a fourth, which I think could be basically anyone (save for people like Bulb/TTH/Titus/Shadow/Oversoul), but sorta lean towards Aronis/Fish/Esp (in approximately that order).

[mastin2]

(5) ChannelDelibird: Gammagooey, Titus, Shadoweh, Formerfish, Bulbazak
(4) Titus: Espeonage, vezokpiraka, Aronis, singersigner
(2) singersigner: mastin2, Untrod Tripod
(2) Espeonage: ActionDan, ChannelDelibird
(5) Not Voting: DeasVail, TellTaleHeart, Oversoul, Cheetory, GiF

My biggest frustration right now is that several of the people driving my wagon are people who look very town to me and should know better.

^My feelings on CDB are similar. The wagon's only possible scum are Gamma (not likely) or Formerfish (could be, but not the most likely). It largely seems towndriven, yet at the same time, I'm not sure it's on scum.

The Titus wagon is just awful, though.

Nope! Not lynching CDB anymore!

This reaction to an abysmal reads list is nothing short of astonishing.

(Psst. It's because she's scum.)

[mastin2]

Uhg.

I want to do VCA, but it's nearly 3 AM in the morning.

I'm not sure I'll be able to give you a final scum, or even confirmation that Cheet is scum. (It's purely a gut thing. My reads would at this point be different from everyone else's.)
But I'll try to get a readslist up before night. Hold on a sec.

[mastin2]

TOWNBLOC:
TellTaleHeart (TTH is town, period)
Bulbazak
Titus
Shadoweh

TOWN:
Oversoul/Tammy
GuyInFreezer (GIF off of Titus-trust)

KINDA TOWN:
Gammagooey
Vezokpiraka

REST:
ChannelDelibird
ActionDan
Untrod Tripod
Espeonage
Formerfish/Marquis
Aronis

SCUM:
Cheetory (pure gut)
DeasVail
singersigner/Empire/Zar

There.
/sleep.

[ChannelDelibird]

3AM or not, I think it's a massive, massive copout to check out of here without actively reacting to the largest wagon's massive series of posts.

[ChannelDelibird]

Right, given the situation, I think I have to do this now. I have been trying very hard to avoid having to do so.

I am Cepira Rulk, the Harrier.

I am a Tracker, slightly modified

.

If I match sign, I get to track my target on Major Nights. If I track them using an ability that needed them to match sign, and the sign they submit is the same as their own, I also get told the name of the ability I see them using. The only drawback is that I don't get results for actions that target me.

I correctly Detected a player whom I thought might be scum and might perform a kill during the Minor Night.

I actually would have been tempted to go in harder on this player Today but I was still hoping to have the wagon on me fall away without having to claim so that I could be more sure of getting the investigation away.

Right now I don't want to give away my Detect target and their sign if I don't have to - there's still a chance that I could use it, though the necessity of claiming makes that less likely. But I will if people whom I think are town think that it would help them decide whether or not to get the frak off my wagon.

This absolutely should not have come to this, but here we are.

[ChannelDelibird]

Also, goes without saying, protect the frak out of me Tonight please and thanks