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[Wisdom]

LLD is scummy too

good. It's time to sheep Wisdom then

[Wisdom]

Your memory doesn't serve right. She was lurking, and it was about her and Cabd.

[Wisdom]

Look at the timestamps, shos. We even have the same timezone so here.

1746 - 11:40
1747 - 11:45

5 minutes. And this is the first time I talk with LLD. Her previous post was 24 hours ago, and I wasn't in the game.

So?

[Wisdom]

Or actually I was in the game, but I had read nothing. Irrelevant anyway.

[shos]

I havent looked yey. Im on phone and spending time with the gf, ill look later. Poibt was that "he is scum too" does nit mean tbone isnt.

[Wisdom]

That was not his point. And this is not the point now.

I am waiting for you to either accept that by your reasoning LLD is scum too and vote her with me, or accept you are a massive hypocrite who follows double standards.

Which is it?

[shos]

LLD has posted these the day before:

Spoiler: quotes

I'm asking my team for reads, I can't handle this alone.

We'll see what Grey thinks when he gets home from work, and I think Shadoweh is at work too,

Because he's been so focused on his game and how painful it is to deal with, and I just arrived in Seattle. I've been telling him I can handle my game so that I can get more time to do fun things like boardgames with him, and have him spend less time at the computer trying to give me scumreads in my game.

and Shadoweh... well she has 112 pages of hell to read, so I've been avoiding piling on her plate.

I did promise myself though, if I felt over my head I'd ask for help.

Except I posted on the last page, nimrod.

Do you read games?

while T-bone was lurking for 4 days prior to that.

[Wisdom]

And?

[Wisdom]

She still answered within 5 minutes of me posting about her. According to you, that can't be a coincidence.

[shos]

The 5 mins on its own is not a scumtell. The scumtell is the lurking IN COMBINATIOn with only coming back when he was talked about.

Posting, and responding to things AND to wheb you are talked about is not scummy.
Not posting, and THEN only responding to when you are talked.about IS.

[Wisdom]

Dude LLD has been absent the whole game. She has hardly done anything and now someone dares to say something about her and she is suddenly active. Do you not fucking see that this is a twenty times stronger beetlejuice than the one you've been going on about?

Why are you doing this? Why are you trying to defend her?

[shos]

No doubt about it, yes.

IT might indeed be also defending LLD, but it's not quite, and definitely not my intentions. basically, I'm trying to show you why T-bone is scum. The argument that T-bone used was "the same can be said on LLD" - which, as a start does not negate him being scum, but also, is wrong - because LLD has posted before that post, which makes tbone's argument a misrepresentation. And now you're asking me why I defend LLD, but in fact, it's not defense, it's (not offense), like, I explain why offense cannot be made here.

I will elaborate here on this specific tell that I used on Tbone, and later explain why it does not apply for LLD.

background: OPINION
up until ISO 29 (post 721, april 10) Tbone's content was just about as much as LLD's, excpet with more posts. this is my opinion; he has like, 2, maybe 3 psots I can call actual content and not just fluff/questions not followd up on/proddodging material.

1. What happened - FACTS
ISO 29 is game related, posted in april 10.
ISO 30 is a prod acknowledgement.
ISO 31 is post 932. in post 931, which was posted in april 13, 6:56 pm, ceph wrote that utility lynching cabd/tbone is appealing. (opinion: obviously because neither did shit until that point)
ISO 31 came 3 minutes later, in 6:59, and says, and I quote: "Yes, let's lynch a player who is barely here and that you've personally had little to none interaction with."
in post 937 I post
"so seriously
Tboner didn't say shit in days
then the moment he is mentioned he replies in *THREE* MINUTES

this lurking is waaaay off

VOTE: T-bone"


<end of factual section>
so what I am trying to say is that I think T-bone has been lurking to bone (get it? get it? lol) the entire game until then, coasting with 1-liners and a titbit of input for 900 posts(which, btw, is 1 post per 30 posts of the game)[for reference: lower than even LLD's postrate which is 1 per 25], and HAS been reading. then, literally the moment he was mentioned, he reacted to it. and ONLY to it. he ignored the 200 posts before that completely.

that should sum up this specific argument against Tbone. there are others, I'll do the case somewhen next week.


now for LLD. I have been townreading this slot since D1, because of the big post (against me) about all the score stuff, which I thought and still think is very townie. For me, by now it's a question of "is it enough" to keep townreading her - but then again, except for the inactivity level, I have nothing to say against her. Anyway, to our case. She posted the day before, 3 posts. then a day later (almost precisely) you write, and she answered. it makes sense that people post on the same time of the day, and so it makes sense she was online then. but it is definitely not the same as the argument with Tbone: she did not lurk until that post, and when she did post, she posted these:

Man, that post sure sounds like you think Cabd is town, and are lynching him based on his activity, rather than any real semblance of his alignment.

And that shos town read is real bad.

Why don't you tell me why Shos is town?

Oh, and um, I'm forgetting something.... what am I forgetting...

Oh yeah! If you think I'm replacing out, you might need to expand your hobbies to "skullfucking yourself with a steel dildo until you grow more than 2 braincells".

oh, and you just put Cabd at L-1. You might want to at least announce it, if you don't give a fuck!

Now, if you disregard the aggression which I don't know if it's telling for her, these are good posts. your post DID sound like you think cabd is town; and even the rest of the post - it's not about HER. it's about the content of your post, and the fact you put cabd at L-1 (which, you know probably from my meta, is usually a tell I use quite a lot - not announcing it). this is infinitely better than Tbone's posts. and take a look at the top of page 71. these are posts not directed SPECIFICALLY at you-who-are-talking-about-LLD. they focus on cabd and me, her town and scumread. I can't even see any resemblence.
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I want my vote back on VOTE: T-bone right now.
I'm putting LLD back on the townlist after reading her.

LLD:

I really want you to explain why you think I am scum. cuz I didn't get anything specific to defend against. so gimme specifics.

[shos]

can someone please make soome sense out of post 1690 for me because I just see dodgy behaviour and ambiguous answers

[shos]

I don't know Eddie is town, I know he probably didn't commit the night kill. I think he's still probably scum.

and I need to get this straight

you tracked eddie to nobody
and got amnesiac cop report that ceph is town

and you still think both are scum?

[shos]

My answers not being good enough for your narrative doesn't make them non-answers. This is why you are anti-town. The scumteam is so happy you are in this game because they know you are on their side.

Vote T-Bone

Not answering an easy enough question and dancing around the issue entirely? Lynch it up.

...you're joking.

...you're fucking joking Eddie right? Your next post is gonna be "hahaha I'm just messing with you Boner chill out" right?

Like you're not really accusing me of ignoring what is going on in the thread while you, yourself, is IGNORING WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE THREAD!

Vote: T-bone

Eddie what did you do last night? Please answer this question so that I may IGNORE that you've answered it and can accuse you of dancing around the question please. I solemnly swear that when you answer the question I will pretend that you never did and accuse you as such.

Dat reaction

dat pressurevote from LLD

dat more reaction


how can this be town goddamit wisdom

[Wisdom]

so be it, shos. Stay in your tunnel. I will not allow you to ever lynch t-bone.

[Wisdom]

You could work with me and lynch scum, but no, you have to insist on your wrong read and defend obvscum. I'm sure your team is proud.

[shos]

explaian to me the scumread, then.

moreover, explain to me why the supposed whiteknight of LLD on cabd is different than the whiteknight of me on LLD?

[xRECKONERx]

I'm here.

What's happening?

[Wisdom]

Because you are town tunneling on a read and that affects your other reads.

Cabd has done absolutely nothing town for her to townread so strongly.

[shos]

wisdom replaced in, and we're having a debate on {T-bone, cabd, LLD}.

wisdom says Tbone is town (no reasons yet) and that LLD is scum WKing cabdtown.
I say Tbone is scum(loads of reasons) and that LLD is town. cabd is utility lynch.

go ahead

[shos]

Because you are town tunneling on a read and that affects your other reads.

Cabd has done absolutely nothing town for her to townread so strongly.

huh?
did I say I'm townreading cabd?

[Wisdom]

Also you're at least making plausible, even if wrong, arguments for her being town. LLD cannot explain why Cabd is "obvtown", because it's a fake WK and nothing more.

[Wisdom]

Because you are town tunneling on a read and that affects your other reads.

Cabd has done absolutely nothing town for her to townread so strongly.

huh?
did I say I'm townreading cabd?

Are you "her"?

[shos]

OH.

so the argument is that LLD didn't provide reasons to townread cabd.

and that's enough for lynch for you?