8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[pirate mollie]

of course you qualify as a good player! like otherwise you wouldn't see me wanting to hydra with you.

but honestly I never saw you SWEEP a whole scumteam before.

well I have. and I am pretty sure you have seen me do it.

anyway the gamestate is now at a point where every1 looks pretty town and remember that saki game that we played as bmc and we were the dayvig? that gamestate was still harder but except this time here there are more stakes.

we were not the day vig in the only game we played as a hydra. you pretended to be 1.

[Metal Sonic]

it was the 1 that i was paranoid of nacho scum lol

i replaced in after greyice died so.


from GI's ISO it seems like he is abrasive regardless of alignment.

reads-wise i am going back to my team pt to re evaluate. stay tuned.

[Metal Sonic]

we were not the day vig in the only game we played as a hydra. you pretended to be 1.

we were a supervig. you just decided to use it as a nightvig altho dayvigging is always better

[Metal Sonic]

and I am pretty sure you have seen me do it.

plz refresh my memory cause it is distressing if i forgot it. i usually remember if someone is extraordinary at scumhunting.

[pirate mollie]

metal, I don't even want to deal with you cos you are trying to engage me only on the level of ego posting and I am just too bored and tired to deal with it.

[Metal Sonic]

ok my love. i hope you forgive me despite all my flaws. i love you too.


are you convinced that grey-town has sooper dooper good scumdar?

[Metal Sonic]

and u shld reply to shos. i am playing delivery boy here.

[quadz08]

VOTECOUNT 6.3

GreyICE (2) - Pirate Mollie, ZZZX

Not Voting (5) - Alchemist, GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Ooba, Zar

With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

Deadline is 5/4 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-05-04 18:00:00).

[Metal Sonic]

ok vezok pulled my ear and was very insistent that I vote grey

shos is hesitant about voting grey cause wgeurts is town, but still wants grey gone. If he is wrong about GI then he is probably off course wants me to ignore what he says and just sheep the vigging plan



nobody is up for the ooba thing.

I have been overruled 5:1. I just think that scum will take the opportunity to coast if we are in the wrong direction

That is all.

VOTE: grey

[Metal Sonic]

oh and the game I am referring to is http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=59772 game, bulba modded it and he is the 1 who pointed it out to me cos i was arguing that I didn't think grey wld act like he did as scum and bulba was like all yes can. and he CAN.

i am going to forward this to my team pt if you dont mind. maybe they can develop more insights than I can from this evidence.

Shos wants to know what he was supposed to get from that game. Shos was a co mod so he would be familiar with it.

[Metal Sonic]

1 more thing @mollie


CALM THE FUCK DOWN if you're town

If not, KEEP RAGING

[pirate mollie]

ok my love. i hope you forgive me despite all my flaws. i love you too.


are you convinced that grey-town has sooper dooper good scumdar?

I think he there is a possibility he is a good scumhunter. the only completed scum in and oh lookee here in that game I named all 3 scum in post on d1. surprise! was nked n1.

metal you have seen me have the entire scumteam on d2 in xmen. I was quieter about toolenduso cos I wanted her around so that I cld try to get her to lynch her scummates cos I swear sometimes the only way to get scum lynched in some games is to get scum to lynch their own but I defo left crumbs that no1 even looked at after I died n2. ooba just finished a game where when wis and I found each other as town and then lynched scum every day. shos just finished a game where my hydra didn't die to the chagrin of scum and I pummeled the fuck out of scum and etl confessed she was the scum blocker in a last ditch effort to make a deal with the remaining scum titus and try to convince town there was a fourth scum team, lol. and titus wound up self-hammering.

I mean really the list continues on. I didn't get this title by standing around looking pretty. I am not always going to get it right I can have off games just like every1 else. I don't think I am spectacular I think I am decent and I am always trying to improve and I am comfortable with that attitude. but there are some things I think that I am good at that are unique to me (and I personally that every1 has talents that are unique to them) like I think pretty good at weaving town together and moving scum out. it is weakened when I don't have any chemistry with a playerbase and I don't in this 1 except for alchey whom I am paranoid of and ooba who isn't interested in working with me, has ignored wall post of a reach out and gone mia.

what I resent is having to say, "this is why mebbe you shld not marginalize me!" and and be forced to give reasons. cos I think I have at last a modicum of credibility here! like I really resent this and if I knew that the game wld be this way I NEVER wld have swapped in. the reason i did was cos nacho was scumreading eddie after I had told eddie that nacho was town and to work with him. tbh I didn't read the game that much after getting a townread on nacho cos I felt like eddie was in good hands with nacho and I didn't have worry until nacho called him scum and eddie was srly worried. so we thought it was a good idea for me to swap in and talk sense to nacho cos nacho/mollie is a pretty strong town force but no you guys lynched him. the only OTHER person who was working with me was wguerts and oh lookee here YOU LYNCHED HIM TOO.

what I am not like from you is that you say you want to work with me but don't, say that nacho's vengeance plan is awsum but abandons it at the first opportunity and spam post the thread which buries pretty relevant shit. what I have to work against is that I know that you can be very antitown as town and I have to take in consideration of your age and the era meta of when you joined and learned to play mafia in 2013. soyeah, I am taking a lot of things in consideration right now.

[pirate mollie]

1 more thing @mollie


CALM THE FUCK DOWN if you're town

If not, KEEP RAGING

I am not raging. not in the least and plz don't tell me what emotions are I can sort them out just fine thank you.

my "fuck off" comment to shos was meant half joking cos I always feel like telling him that when I think he is being dumb but shos knows that I 100% adore him. fuck we won in hu1 AND hu2 he shld know that i am not retarded and shld be encouraging you to work with me. why isn't he doing THAT.

[pirate mollie]

alchey, wis has you as town and thinks that I shld reach out to you. he thinks zzthing correctly called grey out for not self-voting. he and I are on the same page about lynch order being grey and then zarella.

[Zar]

@quadz: this is me notifying I'm having ISP problems. I'll try to have them resolved tomorrow, but there's a chance it might have to be solved on Monday by the ISP

@Mollie: This is me acknowledging your post. I'll address it when I get internet back.

[Alchemist21]

alchey, wis has you as town and thinks that I shld reach out to you. he thinks zzthing correctly called grey out for not self-voting. he and I are on the same page about lynch order being grey and then zarella.

Hi Wis!

Does he think it was a scum motivated lack of self-vote or wgeurts-brand refusal? Does Zar come next regardless of GI's flip or does he want us to follow GI's venge if he flips Town?

Now @Mollie, if you had to form a Town block, who would you have in it?

I think I'd have you, ZZZX, and myself.

I'd say MS, but I know you have doubts on his slot, and I'm starting to get doubts there too (but I understand if his reluctance is based on his teammates' reads).

I'd include Ooba, but I would vote him out before any of the three I named above.

I noticed GI has OMGUS'd a bit, but I still think he'd have to be confident in his partner to advocate his own lynch as scum.

If you think voting down the line of GI/Zar/MS/Ooba wins the game, then I'll form up with you and hammer GI. I'm still not really comfortable with it, but I've been waffling on my scumreads this game and have more a lot more confidence in my Townreads on you and ZZZX right now.

[Metal Sonic]

metal you have seen me have the entire scumteam on d2 in xmen. I was quieter about toolenduso cos I wanted her around so that I cld try to get her to lynch her scummates cos I swear sometimes the only way to get scum lynched in some games is to get scum to lynch their own but I defo left crumbs that no1 even looked at after I died n2.

OMG xmen!!!!!! that game was so fun and hilarious and I enjoyed it a lot even though mastin didnt join me >_> I actually went back to reread it because of all the feelz and WOW your hydra caught the scumteam legit sweep but I actually remember that was muffina's job. like you guys were jerking in circles about titus scum which was a free kill for us. we didn't kill you N1 cause nero was more right than you like he had me and SKOT pegged as scum and he was a PR! but a you+muffina hydra was like having a "KILL ME PLEASE" in blinking neon headlights. I wanted to remove AP vig before I died and I actually thought he was part of the other scumteam so you could see me going strong and the funny thing was bork and ETL helped me do the job! after AP got lynched there was no way I was going to survive + my hood definitely had scum so I trolled my way to death which gave SKOT a safety area cause the hood already removed 1 scum. I was laughing all my way to the bank cause bork was townreading me despite me making it clear that I wanted to die D3 so I just trolled all the way and my PR was useless shit anyway "ninja" i mean wtf. I don't know what majiffy/marquis team was doing but I think it was helpful that they self-imploded for some strange reason. it was also my first time playing with bork as a player and he is extremely enjoyable and I love him for modding supremely memorable games.

so anyway! nostalgia over! i've always looked up to you and love you but after xenosaga where you were scum and you snowed me over thats the time I suspect that I always began being more paranoid of you and always scumreading you as town. also our reads fail to synch, like even in our hydras we have problems synching and right here in this game we too are trying to synch with one another cause it is hard. so even if we have each other as strong town we need to fix the synching problem.

i don't know what you mean about marginalizing like the dictionary meaning doesn't help. i understand the swapping in for eddie thing so I'm going to pass it on to shos. as for wgeurts. um. he doesn't know what he's talking about and he even said that "lynching town is hindering town" and then he decides to place a vote on someone who he thinks is probably flipping town. like Albert Einstein said "There are only two things that are infinite, the universe or human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe". I could already see that coming a mile away cos I was in Varsoon mafia and in the hydra role with Om and you were there as pizza lady! I was also mis scumreading you too so oops. So although it sucks that wgeurts was town I wasn't actually extremely super surprised. like what the fuck is he doing in a nightless

what I am not like from you is that you say you want to work with me but don't, say that nacho's vengeance plan is awsum but abandons it at the first opportunity

I am trying to work with you! i see all your reachouts and i'm even getting shos to come in and bridge the gap cause it seems that he understand you better than I do. all your messages are forwarded to him in our team pt and he is telling me what to do and I actually listen a bit. the thing about grey is that I have been on his tail for 100% of the game and I have been looking cause nothing he posted made me go "oh this comes from town" until yesterday. so I don't 180 on a very strong read that I have without good reason but it seemed like there was only 1 lynch possible today like nobody was up for ooba. so this is a compromise. nacho's vengeance plan was derailed by ooba and thanks to mr wear heart on his sleeve 15 year old wgeurts it all went to shit. now we are going back on the track but I maintain that ooba is playing the speedy saki strategy to yell "X is town" against the flow without decent reasons and then let it become an all town mislynch. once grey flips town which ooba KNOWS then zar is never getting lynched and he is going to endgame. ooba was poking around the townblock of {ZX|myself|ABR} and see what fits so that he could invade, and I am being kept alive till lylo as possible bait cause I would one hit KO him if I got lynched and got the chance pre-lylo. unfortunately nobody believes me on this so we shall see then if we get to the critical situation. just watch him go mia on a holiday to the gold coast.

why isn't he doing THAT.

he is! I am trying to synch with you 100% of the way and I think this is my longest reachout post I will write to you in the game cause i think it is worth it. it is just that we are having issues even when we are in hydra. even when i am out of game in varsoon mafia and reading both as conftown. now we are in a position where we are both in game and townreading each other which should be harder. it will be the same problem so i am turning gears to see what makes us click then we can win a game together <---- this will help us get back on track.


shos hasn't seen your post yet but this is my response.

[Metal Sonic]

as for zarella shos is having him as extremely town cause he is not fitting his scum meta AT ALL but like I said meta is less effective in team mafia but he has the reasons of Kagami too.

so every1 is in a gridlock so SOMEBODY must be wrong here. it could be me. which is why I am taking a step back and see what you guys have to offer.

[Metal Sonic]

what is this HU2 thing that every1 is talking about

[Metal Sonic]

message from shos

shos also has reasons for zarella/empire town, not just only voting and killing kagami

HU2 (apparently it is Hilariously Unbalanced 2 Mafia... I think I was roughly aware of that game! lol titus) is not a good example because multiball is completely different and there were many cops to analyze

you are being townread by shos now for only 1 and only reason: your frustration. shos KNOWS that mollie will be truly frustrated when she is being read like that, and it feels genuine

regardless, shos does not want mollie lynched NOW. he will rethink after GI flips.

[Metal Sonic]

ooba is playing the speedy saki strategy to yell "X is town" against the flow without decent reasons and then let it become an all town mislynch. once grey flips town which ooba KNOWS

also every1 I have learned the proper mafia term for this action. it is called "whiteknighting"


I must learn my mafia terms and buzzwords

[ZZZX]

as for zarella shos is having him as extremely town cause he is not fitting his scum meta AT ALL but like I said meta is less effective in team mafia but he has the reasons of Kagami too.

so every1 is in a gridlock so SOMEBODY must be wrong here. it could be me. which is why I am taking a step back and see what you guys have to offer.

I am still trying to think things off and find it weird why would scum not to push for the hammer in this case

or why zar doesnt exist yet...

[Metal Sonic]

omg zzzx you are here!!!!!!!


i was so lonely!

[Metal Sonic]

scum are ooba and zar and they want to stay far far away from the wagon like the mastina lynch in organic chemistry

unless you are scum. then fuck you.

[ZZZX]

omg zzzx you are here!!!!!!!


i was so lonely!

was preparing for my finals. they will be fucking hard.

also half of the playlist here is doing nothing. its that bad..

p-edit: it can make sense. Ima keep ooba alive for a while tho, dont you agree? we lynch easy scum then we finish with hard one.