Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Gammagooey]

i'm pretty much gone for the next few hours

ffery you're in charge of poking anyone who comes into the thread but doesn't comment on mastin

[Shadoweh]

So you want to quicklynch someone who is crumbing being dead before the end of the game. In this game. I would rather lynch CDB.

[Untrod Tripod]

I just sort of assumed that was mastin being fucking obnoxious

[singersigner]

unvote
vote: Titus

I've already said why I think Titus is scum repeatedly. I don't really have the time or effort to go into ADscum, but my whole team basically switched their read on him based on recent posting. Everyone thinks Titus is linked to Shadoweh somehow, but since there's virtually no interest for Shadoweh, Titus it is!

Preview Edit:
Oh shit, that was Shadoweh, not Ffery...

@Ffery...I literally only leaned on your/Nacho's townread of me once (and really only Nacho's) with my conversation with Gamma based on what I

thought

he was bringing up more seriously about meta and experience with me. If you're referring to me bringing up Titus' change of heart with deferring to your read on my slot, that was because I thought she was scummy for it, not because I was trying to convince her she should just listen to you... I find more fault in using a "town block" as a way of bullying people into reading you the way they want you to and threatening people who disagree.

[singersigner]

ARGH. Gamma and I are both going to be gone and I CAN'T DEAL WITH THIS.

How the fuck is CDB not going to get lynched at this point?

[Untrod Tripod]

because

it's far more hilarious if we bumble around

[fferyllt]

Ok, so the shadoweh post I asked about in my team thread was this one.

A lot of this day phase has already been slow because so many of our talkers are V/LA. As much as I want to lynch CDB (and I do, a whole lot still), he's V/LA until the 17th. Wouldn't it be better to wait until he's here for the second lynch?

Wow singer, you're right, thats so weird of me to ask questions like that, trying to determine what the majority wants is not something I do on Day 1 ever for sure. You objectively avoided answering my question. You also didn't have Titus in your scum reads, but you've been making it a point since the moment you replaced in to harrass her with discrediting statements, RE: 'why didn't you pressure insert this random list of people'. Titus is the most fucking obvtown person talking right now and I've already thrown my torch behind supporting her. Would you say you're waiting to see if there's any traction on lynching me? Suck my obvtowny balls, put your money where your mouth is. Your other scumread, mastin, is also someone who expressed you're probably scum. Do you just think you're so special the entire scumteam is raving to pile on top of you?

ffery: I'm trying to ask this objectively without being mad that you posted that while I was writing this. What has singer done that looks good?

Specifically the part about throwing her torch behind supporting Titus. I strongly disagreed with Titus' direction at that point in the game and I was flabbergasted that a strong IMO player would follow a player whose day 1 town game is historically pretty weak (IMO), even if they are townreading her.

Nacho's response was that town-Shadoweh sometimes follows strange players. That was also one of many posts where Nacho asked me not to be mean to Titus, too (which has been a theme!)

[fferyllt]

i'm pretty much gone for the next few hours

ffery you're in charge of poking anyone who comes into the thread but doesn't comment on mastin

noted.

you can note that I'm not enthralled with the wagon.

[fferyllt]

I'd really rather see espe or even DV flipped.

Going to write a post about Mastin-gambits next.

[Gammagooey]

So you want to quicklynch someone who is crumbing being dead before the end of the game. In this game. I would rather lynch CDB.

fuck role bullshit
especially fuck softclaimed role bullshit

Read on mastins play please

@ffery- dont want to lynch either of them.

[Cheetory6]

Singer.
I'm trying to be polite right now.
But like.
How are you getting wary of me for not dumbvoting someone who isn't going to get lynched 9 hours before the end of the cycle? I made points and people trenched hard against them.
What the fuck is the point of dumbtunneling someone that I might be wrong on that a large number of players are defending as probably town that I'm just shit at reading?
Like how in the fuck can you not get that? How are you still voting such a bafflingly dumb vanity wagon which is never going to happen while still hiding behind regfan's read on mastin?
Do you have no thought on whether mastin or town or scum or not of your own belief or not?

P-Edit: I wouldn't hate a DVwagon at this point.
I'm sure I'm going to be getting all kinds of shit for saying that but whatfuckingever.
D2 in this game is going to be awful if we don't get scum right now.

[Gammagooey]

I would bet $20 on mastin fakeclaiming dying early regardless of her alignment here

So do better please

[fferyllt]

Ok so Mastin-softclaims.

I didn't pay attention to known mastin-alts when I did this lengthy multi-year meta dive, but I recently once again went through a ton of her threads looking at how she gambits/crumbs as town vs as scum, to re-confirm something I've depended on in reading her. What I found was this:

NOT ONE SINGLE GAME where Mastin crumbs a PR as scum. And pretty close to ZERO games where mastin-town DIDN'T crumb.

Admittedly I could have missed one. But srsly - she crumbs incessantly as town. Not as scum.

I await the future subversion of this observation. It's the last time I'll consider two-ton crumbs to be an automatic town-marker.

[Shadoweh]

##Vote: Espeonage

Ffery, I know what I said earlier, but what's your opinion on CDB's claim? I can see how you took that comment that way. I don't throw all my irons in the same fire, I more meant Titus is obvtown, though I don't think Titus is playing badly either.

Playwise I haven't formed an opinion one way or the other to be honest. I tend to ignore people who shouldn't die on a day under any circumstance.

[Cheetory6]

And what happens when mastin is tryharding and breaking her meta because team mafia is a big deal?

[Cheetory6]

Zzzzzzz.
Do you think the rest of her play beyond that is coming across as townMastin vs scumMastin?

[fferyllt]

Oh thank god Nacho's back. he agrees that an espe wagon would be pretty decent. he's doing some meta research right now.

And he'd prefer FormerFish over DV, which I can also support.

[Cheetory6]

I would fucking eat up a formerfish/marquis case if someone made it right now and it was convincing.

[fferyllt]

Zzzzzzz.
Do you think the rest of her play beyond that is coming across as townMastin vs scumMastin?

Yes I do. I'm dinging her slightly (with a ton of mental footnotes) because we're seeing the game so differently. The biggest footnote of all is that she and I almost never agree on our scumreads in the early game when she's town. We approach the game very differently, and I think we tend to make different sorts of errors in our reads to start with. And we can both be pretty arrogant and unbending about our reads.

[Cheetory6]

Do you disagree that it's weird for her to not be able to nail down specific things/posts as being scummy?
My only experience with mastin has seen her attacking specific posts for being scummy rather than blanketscumreading the entire ISO of someone. Something about the manner in which she's been blanketscumreading everything that DV and singer has been doing just feels super fucking far out there from how I perceive her play from Drawn on Arrival.

[Cheetory6]

If I'm just focusing too hard on limited meta experience and nobody else feels that way then we need to pick to lynch either CDB [who I'm not really feeling right now but deadline and timing and wagons and blehhh], DV or MarquisSlot. If we push the momentum in a different direction and we can't get enough agreement on it we run the risk of no lynch.

[Cheetory6]

I guess Espe is plausible too but I feel like the momentum probably isn't there for that either.

[fferyllt]

Do you disagree that it's weird for her to not be able to nail down specific things/posts as being scummy?
My only experience with mastin has seen her attacking specific posts for being scummy rather than blanketscumreading the entire ISO of someone. Something about the manner in which she's been blanketscumreading everything that DV and singer has been doing just feels super fucking far out there from how I perceive her play from Drawn on Arrival.

It's fairly typical IME.

I'm usually more pinpoint about what pings me as town or scum, but I've had trouble bringing my focus in tightly this game. I'm not sure why, but it probably has something to do with the overall caliber of players.

[Cheetory6]

What the fuck Shadow, how are you complaining about people switching votes while you're sitting on Aronis and while ignoring ffery's post about Aronis?

[Cheetory6]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.