Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[mastin2]

TOWNBLOC:
TellTaleHeart (TTH is town, period)
Bulbazak
Titus
Shadoweh

TOWN:
Oversoul/Tammy
GuyInFreezer (GIF off of Titus-trust)

KINDA TOWN:
Gammagooey
Vezokpiraka

REST:
ChannelDelibird
ActionDan
Untrod Tripod
Espeonage
Formerfish/Marquis
Aronis

SCUM:
Cheetory (pure gut)
DeasVail
singersigner/Empire/Zar

There.
/sleep.

How the fuck are your reads completly inverted from mine? Seriously. How does this happen.

YOU TELL ME.
Because I know I'm right about mine. At least on the townbloc.
How come you're so

wrong

on yours?

[Cheetory6]

I mean there's that your read on me is total garbage.
That's a thing.

[Cheetory6]

"Oh man I'll believe ffery that GiF is town but not on Cheetory who Pie is also calling town"
Man.
Seriously.
N1 I'm going to fucking bust open your ISO.

[fferyllt]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
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another effortful town game. here he half crumbs his role in his second post. he makes a strong effort to take a leadership role. his tendency is to ask for votes, not take potshots.

[mastin2]

Hmm Tracker, detected someone likely to be killed ..sounds like scum tracker.

With my own role, I have my severe doubts.

Yes, this is me somewhat-vouching for CDB.

[fferyllt]

No where did I say I was getting wary of Cheetory for unvoting Titus and voting Mastin. Everywhere did I say it was stupid.

where did you go?

[mastin2]

I really dislike the strength of CDB's role.
Tracker + Rolecop?

Has strong parallels and synergy with my role.

So...yes.

[Cheetory6]

Hi mastin. Keep ignoring all of the things actually happening in the game for things that aren't important. Vote for Espeonage if you don't like the CDB wagon.
Or vote for yourself.
I would 100% still back lynching you and your support would be appreciated in either instance.

[mastin2]

(9)

ChannelDelibird:

Gammagooey, Titus, Formerfish, Bulbazak, TellTaleHeart, Untrod Tripod, vezokpiraka, ActionDan, Espeonage [L-1!]

(3)

ActionDan:

ChannelDelibird, DeasVail, singersigner
(1)

Titus:

Aronis

(Espeonage)

(1)

singersigner:

mastin2
(1)

Aronis:

Shadoweh
(3)

Not Voting:

Oversoul, Cheetory6, GuyinFreezer

Again, this is the type of wagon that makes me question the accuracy of my reads a little bit. Titus, Bulbazak, and TTH are town. But I can see any other name on the wagon as scum.

The Dan wagon sucks minus CDB, though.

VOTE: DeasVail.
'Cause I can.

[Cheetory6]

Lol.
Can we please fucking off mastin D2?
There's no way she's this oblivious to the situation of the game.

[Cheetory6]

"I care about CDB not being lynched and his wagon was bad, but I think I'm just gonna do a 1-off vote which hugely increases the odds of a no lynch for no reason because I have never had any real objection to Espeonage being scum and have even said he's a weak scumread but okay!"

[mastin2]

I'm worried that one of our towntowntown or town reads (at least) is scum. Something feels off.

No duh.

TownTownTown
Oversoul, Gammagooey, ActionDan, Cheetory
Town
Shadoweh, Titus, Singer, GiF, Vezok, Aronis, FormerFish
Kinda Town: Bulbazak, CDB, Mastin, FormerFish
Leftovers: DV, Espeonage, tth, UT

The only name in the TownTown section that's actually TownTown for me is Oversoul. I personally gut-scumread Cheetory even though I realize everyone else including pie has him as town. You have TTH in leftovers when she should be TownTown, and both me/Bulb and now CDB in only Kinda Town when CDB should be in town and Bulb in TownTown. (Plus, if Nacho backed these up, me.)

I don't have a perfect picture of the game, you don't have a perfect picture of the game, but I'm resolute in my townbloc and fairly sure on both singer and DV.

[mastin2]

VOTE: Gamma

(Could actually maybe see this, btw.)

[fferyllt]

mastin I cut/pasted that in a huge hurry because I thought CDB had just been hammered. I clarified some stuff, including my read of you (vs nacho's) in my follow on posts (which were also written with the assumption that the thread could suddenly be locked.

[Titus]

Vote Espy

Peace out for now.

[mastin2]

Regfan thinks Mastin wouldn't ever gambit a soft-claimed role that will inevitably die as scum.

And yet you think TTH would?

Again, I point out the hypocrisy.

TTH is town.
Period.
I WILL die defending her.

Seriously, this is a big freakin' HUGE thing.
Anyone who thinks my crumbs come from town but suspect TTH's is invoking a double-standard that I find incredibly suspect.

[fferyllt]

Btw Cheet, if you really want to die I can tell everyone your sign.

going back through espe's iso, this one gives me pause. This fits in somewhat with his crumbing as town. and there was also the bit where he thought claiming his sign early would wifom scum.

I dunno. I think he's a vastly better lynch than CDB or Mastin, but I'm not certain about him being scum looking at these posts.

[mastin2]

I would bet $20 on mastin fakeclaiming dying early regardless of her alignment here

Well, not going to say whether it's a nulltell or not and whether I'd do it as scum or not, but I will say for this game specifically...

...Pay up.

[mastin2]

NOT ONE SINGLE GAME where Mastin crumbs a PR as scum. And pretty close to ZERO games where mastin-town DIDN'T crumb.

There is one, technically. I was in the process of being replaced for reasons best left unsaid for everyone's sanity (but I'm still listed as a player because my slot got lynched before a replacement was found), but it was a micro. I was scum. I 'crumbed my ACTUAL role, Ascetic, by referencing heavily Snowstorm-in-Sabotage.

It's not that I don't 'crumb as scum.
It's that when I do 'crumb as scum, I'm still 'crumbing my actual role.

[mastin2]

(6)

ChannelDelibird:

Titus, Formerfish, Bulbazak, TellTaleHeart, ActionDan, Espeonage

(Untrod Tripod, vezokpiraka)

[L-4]
(5)

mastin2:

Gammagooey, ChannelDelibird, Cheetory6, Untrod Tripod, vezokpiraka
(1)

ActionDan:

DeasVail

(singersigner)

(1)

singersigner:

mastin2
(1)

Gammagooey:

Oversoul
(1)

Titus:

singersigner
(1)

Espeonage:

Shadoweh
(0)

Aronis:

(Shadoweh)

(2)

Not Voting:

GuyinFreezer, Aronis

(Cheetory6)

Also, call it arrogance but I refuse to believe there's zero scum on my wagon. CDB I'm ruling out. The others, not so much. I can see any of them as being scum.

[mastin2]

"Oh man I'll believe ffery that GiF is town but not on Cheetory who Pie is also calling town"

Wrong.
I believe Titus on GIF because what she says goes beyond just "strong townread".

I have you as a gut-scumread, but

I am not pushing you

, in part because pie has you as her second-strongest townread as of where she is right now. In part because I had a mild townread earlier at that same stage. And in part because everyone else is also townreading you, most rather strongly at that.

...That doesn't shake my gut feeling, though. And right now, I'm listing my personal thoughts, other players be damned.

[mastin2]

Can we please fucking off mastin D2?

Good luck with that.
Especially if the job's done already.

[mastin2]

I dunno. I think he's a vastly better lynch than CDB or Mastin, but I'm not certain about him being scum looking at these posts.

I mean there's nothing that makes him town objectively to me and to the contrary he's objectively slightly scummy, but I have a gut feeling that if I endorse this wagon, it'll go through and surprise surprise he'll flip town.

Would you be willing to support a flashwagon on DV?

[fferyllt]

Nacho says he'd prefer formerfish to DV. Thoughts?

[Cheetory6]

I stand by that your read on me is terrible.
This is the most town I've felt in a long time.

Also, that has to be the worst schtick.
Like..
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

P-Edit: There is like five hours to deadline and you want to go with a DV wagon?
What's even the case for DV being scum? That he talks funny?