Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[fferyllt]

What's your list of players you feel absolutely sure won't flip scum?

[Cheetory6]

*frothing at mouth*

[DeasVail]

What's your list of players you feel absolutely sure won't flip scum?

There is no such list and Nacho should know this.

The kind of list you're probably looking for though is Cheetory, Espeonage, Formerfish, Mastin, Oversoul, Vezok

[ActionDan]

Im back. And lynch is where?

[Cheetory6]

Espeonage, Formerfish

But.
No.
:c

[fferyllt]

Gamma

This in particular seems strange. Nacho doesn't remember the specifics of your gamma read but a lot of Gamma's pushes have felt very very honest. he feels like honesty is the thing you usually are able to hone in on really quicly. Why do you think he's scum? Or just link to your case on him if you've already explained it. nacho's trying to do 47 things at once right now and apologizes if you've recently posted it.

[mastin2]

ActionDan, Bulbazak, Gamma, Shadow, TTH

This is a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE lynchpool.

Bulb's town, TTH's town, Shadow's town. That's just from me. Throw in Gamma-trust-to-be-town, and Dan's play looking fine plus his wagon being absolute junk, and again I say it:

DV's reads are absolutely backwards.

[Cheetory6]

And I say everything about your play is backwards.
Having backwards reads doesn't mean that he's scum and every time you say that it does it makes me want to fucking never vote for him like an asshole even though he might be scum.
Seriously.
Stop pushing this point because it's fucking bad.

[fferyllt]

Im back. And lynch is where?

nacho asks that if you have time, do an iso on Shadoweh.

[Cheetory6]

Like, you say that DV is scummy, so AD wagon is scummy, so DV is scummy because AD is in his lynchpool.
That's fucking stupid.

[Cheetory6]

I need alcohol.
What time does the lcbo close.

[singersigner]

Im back. And lynch is where?

You make me sick as a player. If I had a choice I'd never have volunteered for the late because fuck players like you and Titus who make this game miserable for anyone to play, let alone win. And yes! Regardless of alignment!

[Cheetory6]

SINGER DONT U IGNORE ME AND THEN GIVE AD SHIT FOR IGNORING THINGS IM LITERALLY FROTHING AT THE MOUTH RIGHT NOW STOPPIT.

[singersigner]

Whaaat

[Cheetory6]

idontlikethatyourehererightnowandignoringthingsandIsaidathingatyouandyouignoredme.
lcbo is closed in 30 minutes.
no.
:c

[Cheetory6]

@Singer, is the only reason you have for Espwagon being bad that Shadow is on it/was on it? Because bussing is a thing and I'm increasingly being irked by you sitting off of viable wagons on principle or something when we're this close to getting a no lynch at this point.
You should pick a viable side and vote on it. You sitting off at the side is bothering me.

Seems pretty sketch.

wow i cant imagine why i would think u thot i was scummy for it almost like sketch is literally synonymous with scummy golly gee wiz.

[fferyllt]

Espeonage

1) Why is he a townread?
2) Why aren't you doing anything to stop his lynch? yeah, CDB is claimed PR and you don't want to lynch him and we're really close to deadline, but it seems like one of your top 5/6 townreads getting run up would cause some sort of reaction?

Nacho knows you've talked about the Marquis read a whole whole lot but could you talk about it again? Nacho is afraid that he could/would fake some of the self-conscious stuff he's put in thread (stuff that on the face of it Nacho found pretty town like "how do you even scumhunt?"). he's not really sure anymore if the !!! gimmick approach to the game was town-motivated or scum-motivated, and while nacho thinks he did a bunch of stuff that was good in that it feel town, he doesn't remember any of his scum/town pushes being better than marginally okay.

[singersigner]

Ok I don't really think you're wchm I am just really angry that becauseo u unvoted a wagon on basically my biggest scumread at this point has dissipated and I got my hopes up and it sucks. I'm

[DeasVail]

Espeonage, Formerfish

But.
No.
:c

Both are kind of super town. :/

PEdit: Ffery/Nacho, I don't have the grip on the game right now to have a confident read here and I essentially don't have a case that's not OMGUS-ish, but what did catch my eye was the way his read on me changed. My position here has been quite interesting in that I've gone from super-townread to pretty common scumread all in the space of one 'day'. People like you and Mastin obviously have reasons for it, but my slide down Gamma's reads list despite his contribution to the townread-consensus on me and being encouraged by my suspicion of Bulba has me suspicious that it's a result of the decline in my standing rather than the other way around. My plan is definitely to put more thought into this read before it actually matters though.

And there's no need for Nacho to apologise. I have things to do myself and I have the time for this to take a bit longer.

Mastin, I think your reads are backwards too, but I don't think you're scum for it. I get that you think I'm scum for other reasons and that's whatever I guess, but I'd rather you didn't have this cycle of assuming I'm scum because of my reads while simultaneously assuming my reads are wrong because I'm scum. Actually, I'm going to be real here. Your attitude to me honestly kind of sucks. I'm not scum and I'm pretty sure you're not either. I think you're really cool and I appreciated it when you separated your thoughts on me in-game from out-of-game, but I'd much rather not have to ignore your posts.

Ffery, I've talked so much about Espe and have attempted to derail his wagon enough times that I'm fed up with it and can't be bothered anymore. No one was listening to me about him when I was a townread and certainly no one is going to listen to me about him now. Lynching him is so much better than lynching no one for that reason. I'll get to the other stuff after I can finally post this.

[singersigner]

And Espy has seemed town because meh? I think other people are way scummier and the way the wagons developed has just really pointed to not him being scum. No one has specifically ~avoided~ his wagon, and it doesn't feel like it really developed as a counter to anything but a claim:I dubno, I guess he can flip but I was really looking forward to something I really wanted to happen!

I'd eve support an Aronis wagon over Esp or CBD, if not AD

[Cheetory6]

DV specifically avoided his wagon, no?
What do you like about Aroniswagon?

[Cheetory6]

Or the idea of hypothetical Aroniswagon.

[ActionDan]

Im back. And lynch is where?

nacho asks that if you have time, do an iso on Shadoweh.

Can't I just pretend I did. I was planning to watch some anime. I don't know if he wants an updated read from me or else help with his reads but I think the only thing I haven't really read is her interactions with CDB. early singer interactions and early posting were town

Im back. And lynch is where?

You make me sick as a player. If I had a choice I'd never have volunteered for the late because fuck players like you and Titus who make this game miserable for anyone to play, let alone win. And yes! Regardless of alignment!

Singer this isn't you. I hope you're ok

[Titus]

Ok 1 hour ish. Willing to vote where needed.

[fferyllt]

Nacho's shadoweh read.

he doesn't understand the scum-purpose of Shadoweh's beginning to sort-of push on Tammy in 207. Scum-Shadoweh knows that she is probably expected to townread Tammy and knows that implying Tammy is scum is going to bring Tammy's ire in her direction. Scum-Shadoweh also wouldn't going get any towncred from a push at all if she immediately backs off. Which she did.

Her push on singer actually looks like a decent and natural response to defend a townread in that way, Titus is a strange player to for shadoweh to buddy up to because even when Titus was being mostly townread she didn't have a large amount of sway. Nacho very much liked the #3 paragraph of 1904, especially the bit about "you won't be lynching me today".

This post by Shadoweh also feels quite town. It's also a good point: Nacho feels like CDB's worst scumread was Shadoweh because it was formed for apparently no reason. Nacho doesn't think scum would be likely to raise hell with someone because they forgot to include them in a scumlist.

Shadoweh's apology to Espy in 2688 seems pretty solid and town.

Oh. You picked one of my only friends playing left. I wish I could disagree that big post felt weird.

Nacho didn't see this post before now, but holy shit it reads so town.

Going to a STRONG townread when Dan started reacting feels nice and in line with our own thoughts. so do most of the interactions with Dan in general.

Nacho kinda started this reread with the mindset that maybe he was only townreading Shadoweh because he likes Shadoweh as a person but going through her posts he now feels pretty strongly about her being town. he's come away with a good read on her instead of one of those "oh I think she's town here are reasons she's town" conf-bias reads. NACHO BELIEVES!