Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

that replace out is probably town

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.14

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Cabd (3): xRECKONERx, notscience, Cephrir
shos (3): T-Bone, GreyICE, Rhinox
GreyICE (1): Iecerint
xRECKONERx (1): TierShift
T-Bone (1): shos

Not Voting (2): Cabd, Wisdom

Deadline for Day 2 is Sunday May 3rd, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-03 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	51
GreyICE	-	48
Iecerint	-	50
notscience	-	55
Rhinox	-	44
shos	-	57
T-Bone	-	48
TierShift	-	50
Wisdom	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	58

[Wisdom]

VOTE: reck

[Wisdom]

So. Reck is scum, and probably Ceph is his partner, judging from how he has been calling him scum with Cabd but never actually voted him.

[T-Bone]

That replace out is town....WHAT?

[Wisdom]

mhm

[T-Bone]

Walk me through that, LLD...a player under some pressure, switches out of the game, and that's town? Because if that's all it takes everyone being scumread should immediately switch out...

[Wisdom]

yeah, that shows she was playing her disliked alignment and was in a situation she would rather not play

[Cephrir]

She didn't say anything :/

[T-Bone]

If I recall correctly she complained very early in the game that she was upset the re-roll gave her town instead of the scum roll she had originally drawn in the first game.

[Cabd]

kagami likely taking over, stay tuned once i figure out with my team, sorry to have to bail, life's just too goddamn busy to be fair to you. SHoulda done this sooner.

[Magua]

notscience has been prodded.

[Iecerint]

No further vote changes. Though they may have used all their juice.

[TierShift]

Hey so my promised afternoon of mafiascum turned into an afternoon of fun but not mafiascum!

[TierShift]

Can you tell me why egg thinks NS is scum?

He's behind and working double shifts so he's not catching up anytime soon. What he told me and I kinda agree with, is this:

through first six pages

He feels that NS is not really scumhunting and that his interactions with reck are not attempts to actually form a read on him. And he says that his keeping track of first roll claims looks like an attempt to stay busy.

through pages 6-14

He thinks notscience's insistence on previous roles without explaining why and doing something about it is weird. Especially if he uses it to very easily write off cabd as town. Just because someone (he himself did too!) maybe lied about their role.

I think that especially the second observation is very valid. He was just looking for a way to townread cabd for a while. However, I do see a number of posts that I associate with town, such as his posts where he presents reads. He doesn't try to take credit for moving the game with them.

Why did you feel the role-claiming thing was town?

[TierShift]

I hated the first half of it, but it got better.

Talk to me about this.

2 can anyone townreading notscience show me a single place in which he actually did something substantial in order to get his scumread lynched?

@rhino: this is what I also feel about notsci, btw.

Ceph is scum because his role looks like scum and posting makes him pure scum

What is it in his posting that mastin feels comes from scum?

Spoiler:

Actually if any of you have thoughts to bring in from your teammates, do that. at the moment none of them (I think) are reading this game to deep, I'm trying to read theirs though

NS, mind telling what YOUR thoughts is

If you're not scum you're literally the worst.

*Sigh*

I think I'm just going to shut up for a while in this game and read others' games. people in this game seem to have stopped trying and I'm tired of being the only one(with ceph, actually) who'se actually active.

also
VOTE: cabd

because apparantly more pressure is required

Nope. You want to act all high and mighty, then you don't just get to blow this off and go pout in a corner.

-You asked for people to share reads from their teams.
-NS shares reads from her teams and you get all annoyed and pull the "yeah but what about YOUR reads"

So my takeaway is you don't really care if people posts reads from their team or not you just thought it was a good thing to say at the time. You thought it'd make you look real town right? Why did you ask for teamate reads if you were just going to blow them off like this?


What purpose does a post like 1642 serve when anything I would possibly say in response has already been said in 1635? "Because drunk" is not a valid excuse. I did go into my townread on NS anyways, and nobody ever goes "guys guys deadtownie thought this guy was town maybe we shouldn't lynch him". Post something that matters. Tell me again about why NS is scum. Or comment on what I said about NS. Do you agree or disagree and why? Tammy told me that since bins and NS are friends and bins suspected NS when she replaced in and Tammy could see NS wanting to kill bins as scum.


Tell me about your read on Cabd. Stop dodging the question. Yesterday you said he was scum and didn't care which of him or kats was lynched. Then you preferred kats and never voted Cabd and seemed dejected when he might get lynched. Then today you said Cabd is just lynch fodder who is only maybe scum for being the counterwagon to kats. Now you're voting him for pressure. You're all over the place. What do you really think about Cabd? You're all "WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO'S ACTIVE??" but you're all fluff and you don't want to engage on the tough questions or commit to anything.

Rhinox, has mastin's thoughts helped you? they didn't help me. when I asked for food from teammates, what I wanted is food which has been COOKED, as in, reads with reasoning, not only "oh he thinks shos is town". Me asking for NS' thoughts is completely unrelated - he posted, which means he's reading and HERE, so I use the fact that he is HERE to actually gauge something out of it.

real good you do when you attack my drunkpost, lol. drunkpost is not an excuse, well then sorry, lynch me, eh?

maybe you're right, and I only feel that I'm the only one active because I'm on a holiday and just have too much spare time. but truth is that ceph, who's active just as welel, thinks the game became sluggy too. so I'm probably not just making shit up. probably.

my read on cabd? well, he's lurkish and all, active lurking, and his claim is proven but not alignment-telling. I can't quite explain how his wagon was so popular yesterday in contrast to katsuki. lynching cabd is basically a policy lynch; I don't recall me saying he was scum, but may be, don't remember. I'm currently voting him for pressure to fucking make him talk (he'll probably not even read this post so he won't know it, so he will feel the pressure lol), but in reality I want to lynch T-bone.

re: me 'fluffing' and 'not comitting' - I'm gonna lol at you and yell at you to read the thread. which read was I not comitted to? name one. Was it my katsuki read? maybe my ceph townread? or how bout my current Tbone read? any of those? The only one I can actually think you're right about is LLD, because for realz - she posted almost nothing all game and my townread on her goes like 1400 posts ago, and now I'm on the fence. but you calling me scum for this? this is bullshit.
pedit: LLD, posting =/= posting content.

Okay I'm full on back to thinking shos is town.

Man, that post sure sounds like you think Cabd is town, and are lynching him based on his activity, rather than any real semblance of his alignment.

And that shos town read is real bad.

Why don't you tell me why Shos is town?

Oh, and um, I'm forgetting something.... what am I forgetting...

Oh yeah! If you think I'm replacing out, you might need to expand your hobbies to "skullfucking yourself with a steel dildo until you grow more than 2 braincells".

I feel the prolonged scumread of shos is really shitty. You can't feel so good about a scumread if you're not caught up. Is there someone with good meta on LLD out there who can tell me if she does this as town?
Also, lol at the last sentence of that post.

[Wisdom]

I think that together with her ending up replacing out, combined with her frustration at the game rerolling after she had rolled scum, points to her being town.

[TierShift]

Come on, talk to me Wisdom (irony in the very player name!). Tell me what happens when Cabd flips town, because he's obvious town. Will you give me your vote to use wherever I want? Will you lynch Shos?

GREY, Ihope you can answer my questions.
Why the heck are you guys not defending cabd any stronger if you feel so sure he's town and do you need to be pressured into explaining?

First off, I don't normally explain townreads because it's anti-town. But given you clearly need aid, I'll give you some help.

{Chandra, reck, mollie} town


Who's response to my PL thing pretty much sorts him as town although I'm really fucking sad that he took it personally, and I do regret that. Ceph's town becase town Chandra is town. Reck's hardliner approach to me "lurking it out" is actually exactly what town should think if they thought my absence was intentional.

Other notes:

LLD being emotional about losing the tokens doesn't make her town this time, it just makes her (rightfully) pissed about last time.

The way copper has slow faded on me makes sense if he's using PURELY meta to sort me, but the fact that he idn't go and check if I was posting elsewhere does give me pause.

The way tier is defending me is really odd when I really have yet to do anything town whatsoever and was absent for like 8 pages.

Not relevant to this game but holy shit my scum meta has become lurking RIP golden age, deader than CLG this split.

This post doesn't come from a scum perspective. Multiple things on this post just don't.

Can't believe I have to explain this. His comments on Who pretty much only come from a town perspective, and given his actions this game, I can't see him being capable of faking it.

Further, his stance on me was unpopular at the time, and that's the key to all of this. He's been doing significantly unpopular things, that will put himself in a bad light. Do you really think he's a sufficiently bad player, that he would deliberately just avoid the thread when he DOES have time, when he's under pressure?

He's been at L-1 for 2 days in a row now, and still no panic. Nothing. What kind of shit brained logic do you have to use to assume that this kind of play comes from a scum!Cabd, let alone scum ANYONE. If his lurking doesn't have strategic benefit, what's the scum motivation behind DOING IT?

Yeah, I don't think this one post of cabds is enough of a reason to townread him.

No, I'm saying Cabd is town and you're wking him.

Why does cabd need to be town for the wk?

[Wisdom]

Because that strong defense didn't look like defending a buddy

[TierShift]

Wisdom, this is the only time I'm going to townread you. I cannot read you for shit and the last time I townread you you were scum. It's all because of your teammates. Jsyk

Overly strong defences can be both of a buddy and of a townie. They are just stances that you can point at later and say: gimme towncred. Either for defending the townie or for doing the thing that scumbuddies 'would never do'.

[Wisdom]

When it's a matter of "town action means town" vs "town action means scum faking it to appear town", I go with the former. Because occam.

[Wisdom]

I just don't see LLD hard defending her buddy Cabd like that when she knows she has pretty much nothing to support it. It looked strongly like a case of "this guy is flipping soon, let's get towncred".

[TierShift]

The Day 1 wagons make a looooot of sense as both on town :/

Why do you say this and why do you still want to lynch cabd then?

The basis for Wisdom suspecting LLD is not hard to understand at all.

The idea is that Cabd is probably not any townier than null for anyone, so dramatic grandstanding to protect him doesn't make sense from someone without an agenda. People with an agenda are sometimes scum.

If Cabd is town, the agenda is whiteknighting. If Cabd is scum, the agenda is trying to stall at L-1 + additional pressure while Cabd gets back to the thread and they work something out.

Basically this, wisdom.

I don't know Eddie is town, I know he probably didn't commit the night kill. I think he's still probably scum.

and I need to get this straight

you tracked eddie to nobody
and got amnesiac cop report that ceph is town

and you still think both are scum?

Please drop the t-bone scumread shos
It's not gonna happen

Fuck i thought I dodged. I clearly don't have time for this, I'm sorry, and let me find a replacement, I give up.

Okay I really really reaaaaally want this to get lynched right now

We already have two slots who did nothing the whole game and Tier who has done nothing since I got in. I don't want the rest of you also dissapearing

Sorry

UNVOTE:

that replace out is probably town

Meh, I'm not too sure. I think that the post at the beginning about spending scum tokens and replacing out are CONSISTENT, but not necessarily TOWN. I think she could very well be faking it and your occam story definitely doesn't work here because anytime a scum player would fake town actions they would be autotown due to your little bit of reasoning.

What do you think about this?

So. Reck is scum, and probably Ceph is his partner, judging from how he has been calling him scum with Cabd but never actually voted him.

So why is cabd town? I remember you calling him town solely because LLD was scum.

[TierShift]

I just don't see LLD hard defending her buddy Cabd like that when she knows she has pretty much nothing to support it. It looked strongly like a case of "this guy is flipping soon, let's get towncred".

So, what would you think if cabd flipped scum?

[TierShift]

Why does reck have so little votes? He is literally just coasting through the game and all my points on him have been ignored. I hope this (wis voting) is gonna change things.