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[Wisdom]

I'll try to read kagami for a new read on that slot. I dunno, I feel like Cabd scum would be more responsible to bis team and not play so terribly. I suppose the same can be argued for cabd town, but effort is more required from scum than it is from town.

[Wisdom]

Tier, are you townreading ceph? Why if so?

Could you see him as scum with Reck?

[TierShift]

I feel pretty good about calling 3 scum within {cabd, reck, LLD and notscience} with maybe an outlier of T-bone.

[Wisdom]

I more think Reck/ceph/tbone right now

[Wisdom]

tbone's reaction to me abandoning the LLD scumread felt like disappointment - it happens sometimes when scum think I've deathtunneled on someone and they're safe for the day.

And then I kinda see where shos is coming from, even if I don't agree that the beetlejuice is reliable. I mean, I found myself not having much to say about why tbone is town in response.

[TierShift]

I've seen cabd-scum bail on his scumteam before. What makes a TM team different and what difference does alignment make? It's still bailing on your team.

I am townreading ceph. I remember him hitting the exact same notes as I did early game. I've liked his constant desire to move the game forward. I don't really see why anyone would scumread him (except for being surface-level, which I don't fully agree with but seems to be his playstyle) and I feel that the efforts to connect him to cabd or reck are scum-motivated.

I must agree that I haven't been paying attention to him in the slightest and mostly skipped his posts, so feel free to try and convince me of cephscum

Also, why tbone?

[Wisdom]

ns feels town imo, and I also liked mastin's input and how close her reads were to mine at the time.

[Wisdom]

I've seen cabd-scum bail on his scumteam before.

I meant his TM team. It's different doing it for a single game and different dooming your entire TM team. And note that I am talking about the early stages of TM, not now. Now it doesn't apply.

[Wisdom]

and I feel that the efforts to connect him to cabd or reck are scum-motivated

Reck has pushed cabd all game. At some points he mentioned ceph being scum with him, but never pushed him himself. That's why I feel like he could easily be his buddy.

[Wisdom]

As for ceph, like I said, I feel like he has been consistently active, but what has he.done? What content has he produced? That's why I'm saying it's all surface.

Can you point me to some posts of his that you really feel show town motivation?

[TierShift]

tbone's reaction to me abandoning the LLD scumread felt like disappointment - it happens sometimes when scum think I've deathtunneled on someone and they're safe for the day.

And then I kinda see where shos is coming from, even if I don't agree that the beetlejuice is reliable. I mean, I found myself not having much to say about why tbone is town in response.

I get what you mean. Still, I feel like scum in his situation would be way less direct about stuff. He's not just posting stuff to stay under the radar, he actually feels involved at times.

ns feels town imo, and I also liked mastin's input and how close her reads were to mine at the time.

Eh, well, this does nothing for me, I guess.

I've seen cabd-scum bail on his scumteam before.

I meant his TM team. It's different doing it for a single game and different dooming your entire TM team. And note that I am talking about the early stages of TM, not now. Now it doesn't apply.

Yeah, but why is being scum and not doing shit worse than being town and not doing shit?

[TierShift]

and I feel that the efforts to connect him to cabd or reck are scum-motivated

Reck has pushed cabd all game. At some points he mentioned ceph being scum with him, but never pushed him himself. That's why I feel like he could easily be his buddy.

Yeah, but that's really easy. Why would he keep pushing his buddy as a secondary read if there is no pressure whatsoever on said buddy?

As for ceph, like I said, I feel like he has been consistently active, but what has he.done? What content has he produced? That's why I'm saying it's all surface.

Can you point me to some posts of his that you really feel show town motivation?

Not feeling like doing this right now. If you still want it later, please remind me.

[Wisdom]

Because as town he can just get lynched and that won't harm his game THAT much, especially given the mostly useless role he supposedly has. As scum though it hurts.

[TierShift]

We already have two slots who did nothing the whole game and Tier who has done nothing since I got in. I don't want the rest of you also dissapearing

Sorry

UNVOTE:

that replace out is probably town

Meh, I'm not too sure. I think that the post at the beginning about spending scum tokens and replacing out are CONSISTENT, but not necessarily TOWN. I think she could very well be faking it and your occam story definitely doesn't work here because anytime a scum player would fake town actions they would be autotown due to your little bit of reasoning.

What do you think about this?

So. Reck is scum, and probably Ceph is his partner, judging from how he has been calling him scum with Cabd but never actually voted him.

So why is cabd town? I remember you calling him town solely because LLD was scum.

I just don't see LLD hard defending her buddy Cabd like that when she knows she has pretty much nothing to support it. It looked strongly like a case of "this guy is flipping soon, let's get towncred".

So, what would you think if cabd flipped scum?

You missed this wisdom

[Wisdom]

Yeah, but that's really easy. Why would he keep pushing his buddy as a secondary read if there is no pressure whatsoever on said buddy?

I guess it would be easier to hop on the "ceph is town" train. Meh, I don't know.

[TierShift]

Because as town he can just get lynched and that won't harm his game THAT much, especially given the mostly useless role he supposedly has. As scum though it hurts.

It's still letting your team down. If he's already letting his team down, his alignment plays a relatively minor part.

But well, let's just drop this.

[TierShift]

Yeah, but that's really easy. Why would he keep pushing his buddy as a secondary read if there is no pressure whatsoever on said buddy?

I guess it would be easier to hop on the "ceph is town" train.

Exactly.

[Wisdom]

I didn't miss it, I told you I'm going to reset and read kagami.

Flipping scum would change nothing in regards to LLD. If anything, I would find it more likely LLD was supporting her wrong townread than defending her buddy.

[TierShift]

You missed the thing I said about lld not being town but consistent

[Wisdom]

I didn't think that frustration made her town itself. I just think her replacing out is consistent with that. Especially when she had strongly positioned that she's not going to replace out.

Basically the scenario "she was really town frustrated with getting town" got points over the "she was scum going for an apathetic strategy" for me, if that makes sense.

[T-Bone]

It's not disappointment, I just don't get why you think LLD replacing out is alignment relevant (more importantly town relevant).

[Wisdom]

I explained why, do you still not get it?

[T-Bone]

You've have done a lot of weird and irrational things this game. Like I understand your explanation, but I disagree that it makes any sense at all. Your progression went from "LLD is defending a scumbuddy" to "wait LLD is whiteknighting town" to "wait LLD is town or she wouldn't have replaced out" is a progression that makes no goddamn sense.

[Wisdom]

Where are you having trouble? New things happen, I change my mind.

[T-Bone]

I am having trouble with the radical changes or your read on the slot over seemingly (to me) minor things. To me replacing out doesn't mean much, since she was insistent she wasn't replacing out. I'd almost call it scummy, but maybe she had a legit reason for doing it, or maybe Grey needed to change games, or something else that she didn't tell us. I don't like to hang any hats over the activity of another player.