↑ Rhinox wrote:
I liked that NS tried to figure out a way to find out if anyone was lying about their previous roles. He's the only one who tried to make the previous role claiming actually relevant to this game. Even though (and possibly especially because) it didn't really work out it looked like a genuine attempt at doing something pro-town and I like how he was basically just "meh this isn't really working" and moved on.
It just doesn't look like scum would go through the effort of doing and then not have a real plan to do anything with. I don't think the point was to call Cabd town because if I'm remembering correctly he didn't actually call Cabd town. He said if it could be proven that someone lied then that would be an indication that Cabd was town and scum wanted to try to screw with whatever analysis he hoped to do with the information.
I disagree. Scum have nothing to so gamestart, and they have to start making up stuff even worse than town until they actually have something to go on with. This is a really easy discussion topic, which easily looks like you're doing something - because you are - but the something is of questionable relation to this game, if any. What *possible* scenario can cause scum to lie in regards to their previous roles? we're talking experienced mods here, there's almost no way at all ever that anything could ever be useful for this game from the other.
Besides, this was a theme presented to the thread by cabd, and NS just picked on it and went with the flow.
He indeed was the only one who tried to make this relevant to the game - but he failed, right? so basically he was wasting everyone's time?
compare to:
me; seeing the score thingie, and trying to figure out if this is of any use in this game. this has been talked about maybe - 1 page - in total. and I took my shit and kept with the analysis in my team thread. This lead me nowhere too, but hey, I didn't waste town's time for it.
Relatedly, I do think it is likely there were lies in the previous roles because nobody claimed to be vanilla town, and my previous role knew a vanilla townie existed. Reck's claim was the closest but was not a vanilla claim so... :shrug: Not sure what to do with this information/revelation at the moment.
If we brought this up, so let's dig into it a titbit further. Can anyone make a list of the previous roles claims? short and easy, if anyone has the time and patience. are you SURE that your role said there was a VT?
There is also NS's own claim. I believe he is truly hated because it's too easily testable even by accident to be something to fake. The condition if true also points to being town because there is no reason to give a "except in lylo" condition to a hated scum. The whole reason for the condition is to prevent scum from being able to immediately end the game in lylo. And then I kinda fall down a rabbit hole of would the mod give the condition to a scum just because? or would scumNS fake the condition to make the claim seem town and/or to prevent getting policy lynched? my head just kinda starts spinning a little bit. Thats why I don't put TOO much emphasis on NS's claim but it does influence my read of NS ever so slightly in the town direction for it. Does this make any sense at all?
That's just wrong.
a Hated claim can be tested only if someone is hammering you. so, if they find out you're lying, you're dead already. that makes nothing. Also, he claimed conditionally, and did NOT claim the condition when he did(yet). so in case this was tested and found to be a lie, he could just say "oh, condition". I don't know if site policy is usually TO lynch hated peeps or not, but either way the condition gives him an exit.
And if we're talking about this. the 'defintion' part of the lylo in his role PM, supposedly. add this rule to your calculation:
6. Endgame: In the event that a Day starts with 1 Town player and 1 Mafia player, the Mafia will immediately win.
so....basically, even if we mislynch a "mylo" according to NS, roles can exist that may prevent a win; or even in a "lylo". who knows.
so I call bullshit.
