Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[shos]

My current working theory is {reck, tbone, notscience}, partly by PoE - but - there's one guy who compleeeeeaaaally (that's completely+really) slips under my(everyones?) radar - Iecerint. I like, vaguely remember him making ok-ish wrong arguments - but nothing. it's been 2000 posts... this game...

[T-Bone]

Reck this game needs more of you please.

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.16

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Cabd (3): xRECKONERx, notscience, Cephrir
shos (3): T-Bone, GreyICE, Rhinox
T-Bone (2): shos, Wisdom
xRECKONERx (1): TierShift
GreyICE (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (1): Cabd

Deadline for Day 2 is Sunday May 3rd, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-03 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	51
GreyICE	-	48
Iecerint	-	50
notscience	-	55
Rhinox	-	44
shos	-	57
T-Bone	-	48
TierShift	-	50
Wisdom	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	58

[shos]

Cephrir, vote tbone.

I need to remember who the other one wassss

[TierShift]

There is also NS's own claim. I believe he is truly hated because it's too easily testable even by accident to be something to fake. The condition if true also points to being town because there is no reason to give a "except in lylo" condition to a hated scum. The whole reason for the condition is to prevent scum from being able to immediately end the game in lylo. And then I kinda fall down a rabbit hole of would the mod give the condition to a scum just because? or would scumNS fake the condition to make the claim seem town and/or to prevent getting policy lynched? my head just kinda starts spinning a little bit. Thats why I don't put TOO much emphasis on NS's claim but it does influence my read of NS ever so slightly in the town direction for it. Does this make any sense at all?

You're incorrect. Being hated cannot be easily tested, if at all. Either he's hammered when he's at L-1, which proves his claim but makes him die, or he does not die, in which case we kill him. It's like the medieval witch hunt: if she drowns when put in a river with a stone attached to her leg, she's proven not a witch but dead, if she does not drown she's a proven witch and is burned at the stake. There are no winners in testing if someone's hated.
The except lylo part is a very logical clause for town and by extension a logical one for scum, as 'also hated in lylo' makes for a great PL and the asymmetry with the town role implies scum. So no, I don't think the 'except lylo' is very telling one way or the other.

I agree with the general idea of your post that NS put in way too much work for basically nothing if he's scum. I don't think that's a superb reason for townreading him, although it's a point in his favour.

The main thing is that I haven't seen anything that definitely tells ond way or the other, which makes me feel uncomfortable. Egg is not really helping about that gut feeling. Wisdom isn't making any effort to convince me he's town either.

I guess this read can wait for at least a day but I feel like you and wisdom aren't going to last very long so I'd like some good discussion on NS while you're still here.

[shos]

I am intrigued by reck's scrotum.

found this lol

So eh. Who thinks that T-boner is scum?

-nod-

mmhmm

vote T-boner [/b

oh, it was your slot, Wisdom.....see the posts before this post please..

[Wisdom]

I have, I know Eddie was scumreading him

[TierShift]

I have two people I think are highly scummy. Obviously, if they were scum together, that'd be great. I fully plan to reevaluate and assess the gamestate once I have a flip on one of them.

No, you were actively trying to connect them earlier. Now you're acting like they're just two independent scumreads.

TS, LLD never said he wasn't caught up, so where's the argument in the last part of 1940 come from? I mean what got you to think that?

Uh, the fact that a lot of her posts simply said or asked about stuff that already had been discussed before. She also didn't mention a lot of important things, which probably was due to never reading them.

His reachouts are genuine and he's really not giving a fuck, not just faking that.

I don't agree.

Because?

I also am not seeing what you're seeing in recks latest posts.

[xRECKONERx]

I've said all day I'm fine voting Cephrir. All game, actually.

But you haven't, the point is.

Probably because it's like PULLING TEETH to get the Cabd wagon going anywhere and Cephrir has exponentially less support than Cabd did/does.

Nobody up to this point has actually done anything like that and nobody is explaining their push/read on me in anything other than vague conditionals and gut and policy.

So what? You're not new to mafia, and you surely know that scum can be lynched even without explaining shit. So what is the point of whining?

Sure, scum can be lynched without explaining shit. We could also just go ahead and random lynch our way through the game and leave this up to the RNG gods and hope we turn out okay.

Or... and bear with me...

or

, we can actually explain our reasoning for shit and try to suss out the truth. I may be inactive, but I've at least provided a rational basis by which people can judge my reads. So far, nobody has done the same for me, outside of "lol lurker". And then we have TierShift claiming I'm doing nothing but appeal to emotion, which makes actually no sense to me whatsoever, because I feel I've remained fairly calm and shit this game and haven't done any AtE.

[xRECKONERx]

No, you were actively trying to connect them earlier. Now you're acting like they're just two independent scumreads.

(citation needed)

[xRECKONERx]

Look at how the reads on Ceph & Cabd developed TS, then tell me that they aren't organically independent of each other.

[Wisdom]

Because?

Where are you getting that he's not giving a fuck?

[shos]

*removed part where you repeat what I said*

I agree with the general idea of your post that NS put in way too much work for basically nothing if he's scum. I don't think that's a superb reason for townreading him, although it's a point in his favour.

The main thing is that I haven't seen anything that definitely tells ond way or the other, which makes me feel uncomfortable. Egg is not really helping about that gut feeling. Wisdom isn't making any effort to convince me he's town either.

I guess this read can wait for at least a day but I feel like you and wisdom aren't going to last very long so I'd like some good discussion on NS while you're still here.

how is that in his favor??
he wasted lots of energy PRETENDING to do something, but in reality doing NOTHING. no lies needed, so he could be as genuine as could be; and who knows, he might have even gotten some information he could use on town PRs. this is perfect for scum.

now you owe me an explanation of why Tbone is town.

[shos]

I have, I know Eddie was scumreading him

yes but, MY prior posts in D2, are those reasons to townread you?

[Cephrir]

Oh sure now that I'm not here the game is worth paying attention to D:

[TierShift]

Citation:

This is an obvious misrep, he didn't say that at all.

mmmm yessss

feeeed the ceph/cabd dream dunk scumteam fantasies in my mind

oh god i am cumming

[Wisdom]

oh, that's what you mean. yes.

pedit: @shos

[TierShift]

Citation:

highly imply that Cephrir was scum with Cabd.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING

[Wisdom]

Reck denying he was linking them shows he just doesn't remember doing it and points to town

[shos]

oh, that's what you mean. yes.

pedit: @shos

good!

wisdom is not to be touched ever in the history of the world

[Wisdom]

not sure how you're getting conftown from that, but ok

[TierShift]

Here, I quoted the development of your read on ceph.

WOuld also probably vote TierShift. Would vote Cephrir as well

Would consider Cabd, Cephrir, Katsu, Rhinox, Tiershift.

Up to here he's null-scum-ish

This is an obvious misrep, he didn't say that at all.

mmmm yessss

feeeed the ceph/cabd dream dunk scumteam fantasies in my mind

oh god i am cumming

And from here on he's a full-on scumread.
So yes, they are dependent, stop bullshitting me.

[TierShift]

And then we have TierShift claiming I'm doing nothing but appeal to emotion, which makes actually no sense to me whatsoever, because I feel I've remained fairly calm and shit this game and haven't done any AtE.

That's only part of what I said, but yeah, it is true, basically. Maybe you should read your own ISO for all

the reads you fabricated

the things you forgot?

[shos]

not sure how you're getting conftown from that, but ok

*sigh*
that means it's not you

SOMEONE IS CONFTOWN AND THEY SOULD TELL ME WHO THEY ARE

[Wisdom]

shos you're talking about the "thinkin" stuff, no?