Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.18

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Cabd (3): xRECKONERx, notscience, Cephrir
shos (3): T-Bone, GreyICE, Rhinox
T-Bone (2): shos, Wisdom
xRECKONERx (1): TierShift
GreyICE (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (1): Cabd

Deadline for Day 2 is Sunday May 3rd, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-03 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	51
GreyICE	-	48
Iecerint	-	50
notscience	-	55
Rhinox	-	44
shos	-	57
T-Bone	-	48
TierShift	-	50
Wisdom	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	58

[Iecerint]

Unvote; Vote: Cabd

L-2

[TierShift]

CORRECT. YAY, CONGRATS TIERSHIFT, I SAID 'CITATION NEEDED' IN RESPONSE TO YOU INSINUATING MY READ ON CABD/CEPHRIR WERE INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER

jesus fucking CHRIST. this whole time ive been saying they DEVELOPED ORGANICALLY/INDEPENDENTLY. im not fucking saying i never said their name together in the same fucking sentence you pill, im saying THEY ARE NOT SCUM BECAUSE OF EACH OTHER

Yeah but then there was this post that I quoted that did show you thinking they were scum because of defending each other. Caps rage doesn't make you more correct, only more annoying.

[Wisdom]

Because he does. I cant help you if youre not seeing it

You know this thing you always do? It's annoying.

dude reck is town and you're just arguing semantics with him. drop it

[Iecerint]

His response to me saying I hope he's scum so I can lynch him is to immediately start discrediting me and calling me scum.

His "reasons" for targeting me http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 30523(121) were really shallow [see response in (146)]... after this takedown of his post, he says all he really wanted was for me to admit it was early D1.

Supposedly, that was the thrust of his push against me. And then... outta nowhere... later... shitty reasonless vote!

Since then, nothing. He has reiterated a desire to lynch me, but has yet to actually put a solid reason behind his vote (not that I've seen). Now, his voice is just one of many, joining a choir of reasonless parrots.

I'm town, and I'm pretty goddamn confident the swell of people shouting that I'm scum without actually moving on it means 1) it's an easy, agreeable wagon to hide behind because I'm lurking, and 2) scum are just setting their sights on juicier targets first before rolling me up as the free mislynch later.

I agree that Cephrir is really scummy. Basically the only reason I am not 100% on the Ceph wagon are points-knowledge (but he admitted he made that up, claimed intent being avoiding others fishing for who knew, admittedly no obvious scum motive in claiming to have made it up) and T-Bone's claim that he took no action last night.

[Iecerint]

Ceph-wagon in the metaphorical sense I guess, as there is no literal Ceph wagon.

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah but then there was this post that I quoted that did show you thinking they were scum because of defending each other. Caps rage doesn't make you more correct, only more annoying.

THE

READ

DEVELOPED

INDEPENDENTLY.

THEREFORE,

THE

READ

DOESN'T

REQUIRE

BOTH TO BE SCUM.

THE FUCKING END.

[TierShift]

No, you're wrong, you're categorically wrong, and the entirety of the post I just fucking reiterated shows that I had posted thoughts/reasons for disliking Cephrir COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY INDEPENDENT OF ANYTHING TO DO WITH CABD

Oh, you mean that scummish read from page 3 that turned into a scumread....right about when he started defending cabd?

Or is it another?

[TierShift]

Yeah but then there was this post that I quoted that did show you thinking they were scum because of defending each other. Caps rage doesn't make you more correct, only more annoying.

THE

READ

DEVELOPED

INDEPENDENTLY.

THEREFORE,

THE

READ

DOESN'T

REQUIRE

BOTH TO BE SCUM.

THE FUCKING END.

You keep saying this but please quote where in your ISO, in your opinion, the read on ceph turned into a real scumread.

[Iecerint]

His response to me saying I hope he's scum so I can lynch him is to immediately start discrediting me and calling me scum.

His "reasons" for targeting me http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 30523(121) were really shallow [see response in (146)]... after this takedown of his post, he says all he really wanted was for me to admit it was early D1.

Supposedly, that was the thrust of his push against me. And then... outta nowhere... later... shitty reasonless vote!

Since then, nothing. He has reiterated a desire to lynch me, but has yet to actually put a solid reason behind his vote (not that I've seen). Now, his voice is just one of many, joining a choir of reasonless parrots.

I'm town, and I'm pretty goddamn confident the swell of people shouting that I'm scum without actually moving on it means 1) it's an easy, agreeable wagon to hide behind because I'm lurking, and 2) scum are just setting their sights on juicier targets first before rolling me up as the free mislynch later.

I agree that Cephrir is really scummy. Basically the only reason I am not 100% on the Ceph wagon are points-knowledge (but he admitted he made that up, claimed intent being avoiding others fishing for who knew, admittedly no obvious scum motive in claiming to have made it up) and T-Bone's claim that he took no action last night.

These + the angels giving Cabd wagon points make me prefer Cabd.

[xRECKONERx]

idgi, TierShift

what are you hoping to gain from this line of questioning? Play out the scenarios in your head.

I've shown my work where I grew the read organically. This is a fact, it developed organically, and the reasons for them being scum are not related to each other, nor am I pushing the case that their defense of each other is some grand conspiracy. This is partially because trying to draw connections between two non-flipped players is a pretty stupid exercise in futility.

Now, you take issue with my claiming that the reads happened organically, right? Why? I've shown that they did. I've shown my work, show yours.

Or, you don't take issue with that, and are instead nitpicking and arguing semantics and trying to push my buttons.

So which is it?

[Wisdom]

Other than Cabd and Ceph, who else?

pedit: @Iecerint

[xRECKONERx]

You keep saying this but please quote where in your ISO, in your opinion, the read on ceph turned into a real scumread.

Post 71: the only two scum reads I mention are Cabd & Cephrir, for completely independent reasons.

Post 315: Ceph laments his townie status; I reply by implying I don't think he's town

both were before I mentioned Ceph/Cabd together. pick one

[TierShift]

idgi, TierShift

what are you hoping to gain from this line of questioning? Play out the scenarios in your head.

I've shown my work where I grew the read organically. This is a fact, it developed organically, and the reasons for them being scum are not related to each other, nor am I pushing the case that their defense of each other is some grand conspiracy. This is partially because trying to draw connections between two non-flipped players is a pretty stupid exercise in futility.

Now, you take issue with my claiming that the reads happened organically, right? Why? I've shown that they did. I've shown my work, show yours.

Or, you don't take issue with that, and are instead nitpicking and arguing semantics and trying to push my buttons.

So which is it?

I'm trying to find out if you're lying about your reads or about having read your own ISO.

[TierShift]

And I honestly don't even remember why we're having this discussion

[xRECKONERx]

You keep saying this but please quote where in your ISO, in your opinion, the read on ceph turned into a real scumread.

Post 71: the only two scum reads I mention are Cabd & Cephrir, for completely independent reasons.

Post 315: Ceph laments his townie status; I reply by implying I don't think he's town

both were before I mentioned Ceph/Cabd together. pick one

please reply

[Iecerint]

Other than Cabd and Ceph, who else?

pedit: @Iecerint

Probably TierShift. I've actually been scumreading him basically all game and only put it aside because someone (shos?) told me that he has a scummy meta when town.

NS for darker horse, if only due to lack of activity.

The validity of lack of activity tells today will be clearer when the alignment of high-drama wagons is resolved, which leads me away from wanting to lynch TierShift even when I get more skeptical of shos's perspectives.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm trying to find out if you're lying about your reads or about having read your own ISO.

And I honestly don't even remember why we're having this discussion

did you just have a stroke in between two posts?

[Wisdom]

because i was thinking that his not voting ceph made him a likely ceph partner - which was wrong as you yourself showed to me. So stop it and consider reck being town instead

pedit: @tier

[Iecerint]

tier's low content is actually town indicative. he's town leader when scum. but the case is not the low content - the case is the intentional lurking and appearing

In retrospect, his actual attitude toward the content is more ambivalent, but I took this as nullifying my concerns. I think he says something else in another post, too.

[TierShift]

Fuck this shit, reck, just telling someone their push is bad or that they haven't been townbinned is not the same as pushing them as scum later on.

[Wisdom]

@Iecerint I am pretty sure Tier is town, I had already picked up townvibes from him while I was reading but even if I had doubts, my exchange with him a few pages ago convinced me. This is town-Tier.

I could consider ns, but I have felt he is town, too. imo Tbone is the one who makes the most sense as the third scum.

[TierShift]

I'm trying to find out if you're lying about your reads or about having read your own ISO.

And I honestly don't even remember why we're having this discussion

did you just have a stroke in between two posts?

What started it, whatever.

[Iecerint]

If Ceph actually is scum, it opens up the possibility that T-Bone could simply be lying about Ceph's action. This may become clear is Ceph ever flips and has an action.

T-Bone's claim still seems high-risk for no reason, though (e.g., above).

T-Bone is not someone I would want to lynch today.

[Iecerint]

Nobody up to this point has actually done anything like that and nobody is explaining their push/read on me in anything other than vague conditionals and gut and policy.

Admittedly, 90% of my opinion on your slot relates to it being YOU that occupies the slot.

Your work drama stuff is legit and I can see that having hampered your ability.

Yeah, I mean... just to elaborate on my real life circumstances, this game

began

the day after I got laid off from my job. I posted pretty frequently for the first... week or so? But then between constantly going to job interviews and being home for Easter/dealing with family and putting our resumes and the general "I am worthless" depression that accompanies losing a job, I just lost my way. (Plus... my team has given almost ZERO attention to this game as opposed to some of the others, which has left me pretty much soloing this right now.)

Then, I started my new job last week, and was just not prepared for the dramatic mental toll it would take on me while I adjust. Trying to get back to it now.

ActionDan is wondering why there was a massclaim in this game, but I haven't gotten there yet.

Is Dan pretending to read but not actually reading and thinking that the list of claims from last game is actually a massclaim in this game? Classic Daniel.

Honestly if I didn't like Kagami would just go back to voting Cabd.

Wait, why did Kagami want you off Cabd?

Yes, I legit hadn't made the connection between this game and your personal life until maybe a week ago, and I still kind of periodically forgot about it while evaluating you unless I reflected carefully and remembered. It differs significantly from Cabd's approach, where he'd report in on having an illness or the pressures of living in Chicago and being employed every time someone called him out.

Yes, Dan is apparently pretending to read. I glanced at my team thread before reading through this one and posted here after seeing the top page and maybe starting glancing through the earliest ones.

And yeah, just referring to the fact of Kagami replacing in.

Additional context here that occurred to me -- the connection occurred to me while I was in DC on a subway.

Potentially gleanfromable idk.