↑Ankamius wrote:Well, yeah I was leaning towards Cheery Dog being a counterwagon to scum. I was scumreading CES for most of the game up to that point.
I don't understand the relevance of thinking there would be scum on a town lynch wagon?
#753 was posted when there were two wagons of two players each; I'm pretty sure I never said he was a counterwagon to scum until he had a more sizable wagon on him. What's the context to that post that makes it scum?
The point is that you previously stated a different read on Cheery.
↑Ankamius wrote:After speaking with my team about the game state tonight, I believe that all three of the major wagons up to this point (theelkspeaks, Psyche, and Cheery Dog) are on town.
This is worth quoting again. Mainly for the mention that Cheery is town.
Right there.
Also here.
↑Ankamius wrote:ika: Scum, mainly for these two posts.
↑ika wrote:ok so does soemone have a town case for elk or can we like lynch that slot with fire now?
cus im talking with GIF and the others and they see no reason for it to be town
@Anka, gif had an epiphany and thinks elk could be town and to sort llam is to just have ffery into game here as well
pedit: get her talking now
The bolded was made in response to me bluntly saying that I wasn't going to vote for elk.
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I'm really not liking CES for #475. Either he's town and just completely missed why I posted that theory somehow, or he's scum trying to spin it to his own advantage. I don't see town purposely seeing the whole picture and thinking that was the extent of my scumhunting.
Although I will say that the reason I only answered questions yesterday is because I was basically dead on my feet. I HAD reads, but never posted them in the thread.
I still like Psyche for scum; BBT is virtually conftown if he does indeed flip town, although I'm townreading the slot pretty hard anyway.
I keep ISOing Cheery Dog and I townread his overall tone every time I do so. Lynching him based on token usage is just not going to work as a case for me.
And then we go a while without you mentioning cheery at all.
↑Ankamius wrote:I like Cheery Dog's 'push' on Zack on a surface level this day phase, but overall his day 2 play doesn't look proactive at all. Nullishscum so far.
↑Ankamius wrote:Zach are you suggesting that I telegraphed what I would do that night and why when it was already clear my standing was rapidly decreasing?
I'm suggesting that yes.
It's pretty important to point out that I think that's the case because I already think you're scum, and that the theory itself doesn't LEAD to me thinking you're scum by itself.
Let's talk about your CES unvote though. What was your read on him when you unvoted, and what's your read on him now?
ces: why do you think tammy died of regfan like you predicted
I'm not fully sure. Ank made it clear he thought she was the better kill yesterday. But the Cheery Dog townflip changed things significantly anyway. If you want to get me mislynched, killing Tammy lets people keep pushing the Regfan-CES nonsense (which can also let you delegitimize Regfan's reads at the same time).
Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
~"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind."~
↑Ankamius wrote:Well, yeah I was leaning towards Cheery Dog being a counterwagon to scum. I was scumreading CES for most of the game up to that point.
I don't understand the relevance of thinking there would be scum on a town lynch wagon?
#753 was posted when there were two wagons of two players each; I'm pretty sure I never said he was a counterwagon to scum until he had a more sizable wagon on him. What's the context to that post that makes it scum?
The point is that you previously stated a different read on Cheery.
↑Ankamius wrote:After speaking with my team about the game state tonight, I believe that all three of the major wagons up to this point (theelkspeaks, Psyche, and Cheery Dog) are on town.
This is worth quoting again. Mainly for the mention that Cheery is town.
Right there.
Also here.
↑Ankamius wrote:ika: Scum, mainly for these two posts.
↑ika wrote:ok so does soemone have a town case for elk or can we like lynch that slot with fire now?
cus im talking with GIF and the others and they see no reason for it to be town
@Anka, gif had an epiphany and thinks elk could be town and to sort llam is to just have ffery into game here as well
pedit: get her talking now
The bolded was made in response to me bluntly saying that I wasn't going to vote for elk.
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I'm really not liking CES for #475. Either he's town and just completely missed why I posted that theory somehow, or he's scum trying to spin it to his own advantage. I don't see town purposely seeing the whole picture and thinking that was the extent of my scumhunting.
Although I will say that the reason I only answered questions yesterday is because I was basically dead on my feet. I HAD reads, but never posted them in the thread.
I still like Psyche for scum; BBT is virtually conftown if he does indeed flip town, although I'm townreading the slot pretty hard anyway.
I keep ISOing Cheery Dog and I townread his overall tone every time I do so. Lynching him based on token usage is just not going to work as a case for me.
And then we go a while without you mentioning cheery at all.
↑Ankamius wrote:I like Cheery Dog's 'push' on Zack on a surface level this day phase, but overall his day 2 play doesn't look proactive at all. Nullishscum so far.
Where you state a read on him.
Then 753 where you don't have one at all?
uhhhhh
I'm pretty sure that was just a heavily disengaged part of the game for me and I was posting stuff as I thought of them.
↑Ankamius wrote:Zach are you suggesting that I telegraphed what I would do that night and why when it was already clear my standing was rapidly decreasing?
I'm suggesting that yes.
It's pretty important to point out that I think that's the case because I already think you're scum, and that the theory itself doesn't LEAD to me thinking you're scum by itself.
Let's talk about your CES unvote though. What was your read on him when you unvoted, and what's your read on him now?
I was starting to townread him at that point and that hasn't really changed since.
↑Ankamius wrote:Well, yeah I was leaning towards Cheery Dog being a counterwagon to scum. I was scumreading CES for most of the game up to that point.
I don't understand the relevance of thinking there would be scum on a town lynch wagon?
#753 was posted when there were two wagons of two players each; I'm pretty sure I never said he was a counterwagon to scum until he had a more sizable wagon on him. What's the context to that post that makes it scum?
The point is that you previously stated a different read on Cheery.
↑Ankamius wrote:After speaking with my team about the game state tonight, I believe that all three of the major wagons up to this point (theelkspeaks, Psyche, and Cheery Dog) are on town.
This is worth quoting again. Mainly for the mention that Cheery is town.
Right there.
Also here.
↑Ankamius wrote:ika: Scum, mainly for these two posts.
↑ika wrote:ok so does soemone have a town case for elk or can we like lynch that slot with fire now?
cus im talking with GIF and the others and they see no reason for it to be town
@Anka, gif had an epiphany and thinks elk could be town and to sort llam is to just have ffery into game here as well
pedit: get her talking now
The bolded was made in response to me bluntly saying that I wasn't going to vote for elk.
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I'm really not liking CES for #475. Either he's town and just completely missed why I posted that theory somehow, or he's scum trying to spin it to his own advantage. I don't see town purposely seeing the whole picture and thinking that was the extent of my scumhunting.
Although I will say that the reason I only answered questions yesterday is because I was basically dead on my feet. I HAD reads, but never posted them in the thread.
I still like Psyche for scum; BBT is virtually conftown if he does indeed flip town, although I'm townreading the slot pretty hard anyway.
I keep ISOing Cheery Dog and I townread his overall tone every time I do so. Lynching him based on token usage is just not going to work as a case for me.
And then we go a while without you mentioning cheery at all.
↑Ankamius wrote:I like Cheery Dog's 'push' on Zack on a surface level this day phase, but overall his day 2 play doesn't look proactive at all. Nullishscum so far.
Where you state a read on him.
Then 753 where you don't have one at all?
uhhhhh
I'm pretty sure that was just a heavily disengaged part of the game for me and I was posting stuff as I thought of them.
I was looking back for any sign of read progression on cheery dog, and your progression doesn't look particularly natural to me.
↑Ankamius wrote:Zach are you suggesting that I telegraphed what I would do that night and why when it was already clear my standing was rapidly decreasing?
I'm suggesting that yes.
It's pretty important to point out that I think that's the case because I already think you're scum, and that the theory itself doesn't LEAD to me thinking you're scum by itself.
Let's talk about your CES unvote though. What was your read on him when you unvoted, and what's your read on him now?
Still stands. I don't like that I have to ask about this now and that it has to be explained AFTER day 2 instead of before it ended.
↑Ankamius wrote:Regfan's side of the engagement was town, and it feels really weird to me when I think about you being scum with a full PoE list alongside two other town (cheery dog being town because scum vs scum wagons look bleh), the amount of resistance to the D1 townbloc overall feels off.
I don't get how you got Cheery Dog being town out of any of that. It seems to like most of your reasoning for thinking the Cheery Dogwagon was bad was based on your suspicion of me and Regfan. If you change your mind on me, how do you not go to thinking Cheery Dog is scum? He was even pushing 'marble too D1, so fits in with your point about the resistance to the D1 townbloc.
↑Ankamius wrote:I had assumed you were talking about the day one lynches since both of them are now confirmed.
What do you make of Aneninen's catchup reads then?
The second biggest wagon at the end of Day 1 was on ika, not Cheery.
I didn't like Aneninen's catch-up reads as I read them - he often seemed to be noting weirdness more than anything else and his approach on me (and Cheery too, knowing now that he is town) felt more like he was trying to set up a future vote than a legitimate interest in my alignment. I'm interested to see how he'll play (and whom he'll vote!) now he's no longer catching up.
Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
~"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind."~
↑Ankamius wrote:Well, yeah I was leaning towards Cheery Dog being a counterwagon to scum. I was scumreading CES for most of the game up to that point.
I don't understand the relevance of thinking there would be scum on a town lynch wagon?
#753 was posted when there were two wagons of two players each; I'm pretty sure I never said he was a counterwagon to scum until he had a more sizable wagon on him. What's the context to that post that makes it scum?
The point is that you previously stated a different read on Cheery.
↑Ankamius wrote:After speaking with my team about the game state tonight, I believe that all three of the major wagons up to this point (theelkspeaks, Psyche, and Cheery Dog) are on town.
This is worth quoting again. Mainly for the mention that Cheery is town.
Right there.
Also here.
↑Ankamius wrote:ika: Scum, mainly for these two posts.
↑ika wrote:ok so does soemone have a town case for elk or can we like lynch that slot with fire now?
cus im talking with GIF and the others and they see no reason for it to be town
@Anka, gif had an epiphany and thinks elk could be town and to sort llam is to just have ffery into game here as well
pedit: get her talking now
The bolded was made in response to me bluntly saying that I wasn't going to vote for elk.
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I'm really not liking CES for #475. Either he's town and just completely missed why I posted that theory somehow, or he's scum trying to spin it to his own advantage. I don't see town purposely seeing the whole picture and thinking that was the extent of my scumhunting.
Although I will say that the reason I only answered questions yesterday is because I was basically dead on my feet. I HAD reads, but never posted them in the thread.
I still like Psyche for scum; BBT is virtually conftown if he does indeed flip town, although I'm townreading the slot pretty hard anyway.
I keep ISOing Cheery Dog and I townread his overall tone every time I do so. Lynching him based on token usage is just not going to work as a case for me.
And then we go a while without you mentioning cheery at all.
↑Ankamius wrote:I like Cheery Dog's 'push' on Zack on a surface level this day phase, but overall his day 2 play doesn't look proactive at all. Nullishscum so far.
Where you state a read on him.
Then 753 where you don't have one at all?
uhhhhh
I'm pretty sure that was just a heavily disengaged part of the game for me and I was posting stuff as I thought of them.
I was looking back for any sign of read progression on cheery dog, and your progression doesn't look particularly natural to me.
↑Ankamius wrote:Zach are you suggesting that I telegraphed what I would do that night and why when it was already clear my standing was rapidly decreasing?
I'm suggesting that yes.
It's pretty important to point out that I think that's the case because I already think you're scum, and that the theory itself doesn't LEAD to me thinking you're scum by itself.
Let's talk about your CES unvote though. What was your read on him when you unvoted, and what's your read on him now?
Still stands. I don't like that I have to ask about this now and that it has to be explained AFTER day 2 instead of before it ended.
↑Ankamius wrote:Regfan's side of the engagement was town, and it feels really weird to me when I think about you being scum with a full PoE list alongside two other town (cheery dog being town because scum vs scum wagons look bleh), the amount of resistance to the D1 townbloc overall feels off.
I don't get how you got Cheery Dog being town out of any of that. It seems to like most of your reasoning for thinking the Cheery Dogwagon was bad was based on your suspicion of me and Regfan. If you change your mind on me, how do you not go to thinking Cheery Dog is scum? He was even pushing 'marble too D1, so fits in with your point about the resistance to the D1 townbloc.
↑Ankamius wrote:I had assumed you were talking about the day one lynches since both of them are now confirmed.
What do you make of Aneninen's catchup reads then?
The second biggest wagon at the end of Day 1 was on ika, not Cheery.
I didn't like Aneninen's catch-up reads as I read them - he often seemed to be noting weirdness more than anything else and his approach on me (and Cheery too, knowing now that he is town) felt more like he was trying to set up a future vote than a legitimate interest in my alignment. I'm interested to see how he'll play (and whom he'll vote!) now he's no longer catching up.
When I talk about resistance, I'm talking about people that aren't in the PoE list. I thought Cheery was town because the main way he would be scum is if the CES wagon was scum-heavy. It makes less sense when the wagon is me, a high town read, a lower town read, and that slot itself. Ika was on the wagon early on, but he abandoned it long before day ended. Cheery Dog also took a while to join the wagon. Just looking at vote velocity, it makes less sense as scum than town.
I don't take much notice of catch-ups because I think they're very easy to make look 'pro-town.'
Could he be scum? Sure. Is he more likely to be scum over CES/Ika? No.
I think Psyche made a total of like one post where I thought he could be town and then that read got destroyed pretty quickly after. So, Anen has a clear slate and I want to see what he does with it.
Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
↑Zachrulez wrote:
I'm not entirely opposed to that lynch actually. BBT has really become a non presence in this game.
I mean, this just exemplifies perfectly what I am saying. I pushed for the CES lynch and yet I am a 'non presence'. I suspect this is more to do with our disagreement on reads and therefore you not paying much attention to what I am saying more than anything else because to say I'm a non presence is ridiculous.
All I can do is present my reasoning for why I think somebody is scum and vote them. If people are not willing to listen, there isn't much more that I can do.
Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
Well to me your reads also seem pretty stationary and non changing, which I tend to think is more of a scum mindset because it's far easier to have reads in flux as town than it is to pretend to as scum.
