Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

But mollie did claim? I don't remember her doing so and you're saying wisdom was maybe gambiting so I don't get this anymore. Did she or did she not?

She did

[TierShift]

fuck this why are you being so cryptic

[Wisdom]

I'm not?

[Wisdom]

Extra: T-bone posted within 3 minutes after mollie's claim and addressed mollie.

Yet he says he doesn't know she claimed.

[TierShift]

ah, found it. What does that do and how should tbone have known you don't have a night action?

[Wisdom]

1. this slot was scum before the mod error! we were bp. we are now a town messenger tho.

This is the claim.

I realized at some point that this doesn't necessarily tell scum I don't have night actions, since messenger usually acts at night, so I take that point back.
However; one player received a message from mollie during D1 - if he is scum, then they would in fact know I am a day messenger.

@Tier Mailman

[Wisdom]

And another one received one during D2, but that's irrelevant to the point.

[Wisdom]

Or actually I suppose it isn't, because if the second person who received a message is scum with Tbone, he could have told him and Tbone could still claim safely.

[Wisdom]

And actually, according to timestamps, the message to the second person was sent around 30 minutes before this post that started the claim:

Oh man Ceph whatcha do last night buddy?

[Wisdom]

ok let me be clear because I guess I'm confusing you more

D1 message was

Reck

. mollie sent him a reachout, mentioning she is pretty freaking town, which Reck acknowledged in 432.

D2 message was

shos

. Eddie sent him a message saying that he was thinking Tbone is scum. shos acknowledged that in 1404.

shos did not seem to realize it was Eddie though, because he was asking Tier if it's him.

Anyhow, my point is that Tbone could have known my messenger is day action either from Reck or shos, allowing him to claim a roleblock on me safely.

[TierShift]

So you're saying that there is a possibility that T-bone heard you were day-action from his scumbuddy and thus had a pretty safe claim?

[Wisdom]

yes

Though shos is less likely because he didn't seem to know it was Eddie, unless he was faking it

[TierShift]

Okay, here's where I'm at:
assumptions
- Scum are not fake roleblocking a confirmable action
- Scum are not going to block a super weak PR

So that means, if he's scum:
- He did not know you were a mailman at all and did roleblock you
- He did know you were a day-mailman and did not roleblock you - either reck or shos is scum in this case
I see the latter as much more likely here and that would only make reck more scum than he already is.

If he's town:
- He knew you were a claimed mailman and meant to test you overnight
- He thought an you would make the scum kill
I think he was saying t was the latter so then he needs to back up his talk and really explain why he targeted you because that was one of the dumbest things to do.

[Wisdom]

If he is town he is telling the truth that he didn't see mollie's claim

[TierShift]

it does not look like shos found out it was you before T-bone claimed. Did eddie send something which would make it obvious the message came from him or was shos notified that the message was from eddie?

[TierShift]

If he is town he is telling the truth that he didn't see mollie's claim

yeah, so it's the second option, as I thought.

[Wisdom]

No, the recipient is not told who the message is from, and Eddie didn't really hint at it being him.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

Yeah, I agree with your thoughts. It's either Tbone is telling the truth, didn't see the claim, and blocked me because he was scumreading me, or, he is scum with Reck, they saw the claim, they understood it's dayaction from mollie's message, and so he fakeclaimed safely.

This means that Tbone scum is dependent on Reck scum.

[TierShift]

likely. But I can see an entire scumteam missing the claim, thinking it was not a truthful claim or believing it was not a complete claim.

[TierShift]

Now will you vote reck with me?

[Wisdom]

i think ill just hammer cabd

[Wisdom]

I dont know who is scum if tbone is also town :/ cabd/ceph/ns?

[TierShift]

I should really reread ceph

but yeah, fuck this shit, also stating intent to hammer.

[xRECKONERx]

Reck are you just gonna ignore 2120?

i literally haven't posted at all since that post? shut the fuck up

Fuck this shit, reck, just telling someone their push is bad or that they haven't been townbinned is not the same as pushing them as scum later on.

I argued against his push and I'm pretty sure the insinuation from the "not townbinned" post was that I WAS STILL READING HIS SCUM as I had stated earlier.

I'm not going down this route anymore, you're arguing semantics and nitpicking and it's giving me a headache.

[xRECKONERx]

And uh

Not only did I acknowledge the fact it happened, I later contacted directly with mollie by saying "what have you done to

REACH OUT

to me this game" just to confirm it was her. I actually got that message right before I went to go hang out with UT in person and we discussed it, and the second I said the words "reach out" he goes OH MAN THAT'S TOTALLY MOLLIE

I completely missed mollie's claim which is why I was so coy about claiming who I thought it was at first (because I didn't know she had claimed already) but yeah, that "reach out" is pretty much a huge reason why I think that slot is town now