Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

no, cabd is being voted by everyone and their mother

Nobody is fucking voting ceph all game

[Wisdom]

Also cabd is not pretending he's doing things. That's only ceph.

[Magua]

Vote Count 2.25

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Cabd (5): xRECKONERx, notscience, Cephrir, Iecerint, GreyICE
shos (1): Rhinox
T-Bone (1): shos
xRECKONERx (1): TierShift
Cephrir (1): Wisdom

Not Voting (2): Cabd, T-Bone

Deadline for Day 2 is Sunday May 3rd, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-03 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	51
GreyICE	-	48
Iecerint	-	50
notscience	-	55
Rhinox	-	44
shos	-	57
T-Bone	-	48
TierShift	-	50
Wisdom	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	58

[xRECKONERx]

oh you're right

cabd has just done

literally nothing worthwhile

the entire game, mb

we can fucking lynch ceph afterwards, jesus

[Rhinox]

no

unless you want a townlynch

So now you're basically doing the same thing that made LLD scum earlier. Why are you so sure Cabd is town now but when LLD was sure Cabd was town she was whiteknighting because she couldn't possibly be sure Cabd was town?

[GreyICE]

Youre still not answering grey

When did it go from "when" to "if" Wisdom?

Your answer is relevant to my actions.

[Wisdom]

so grey is dodging the question

[GreyICE]

Oh?

I'd lynch you, Wisdom.

[shos]

no

unless you want a townlynch

So now you're basically doing the same thing that made LLD scum earlier. Why are you so sure Cabd is town now but when LLD was sure Cabd was town she was whiteknighting because she couldn't possibly be sure Cabd was town?

This.

I am starting to really like this Rhinox guy. Even if we differ in thoughts.

I kinda lean on hammering.

[shos]

This slot has claimed a useless non-alignment specific role; and has done practically nothing all game. Sooop mich resistance to this lynch over two days. And FFS, how long does it take to replace out? I think this is sorta bullcwap.

[Iecerint]

So is a scum miller but that didn't stop it from being in the first setup

I think the scum miller was intended to nerf the rolecop.

[shos]

Iec. Comment on 2354 please.

[Wisdom]

Oh?

I'd lynch you, Wisdom.

you can try

[TierShift]

But you're right about the resistance, except it's on ceph, not cabd.

This is stupid.

ceph/tbone/reck confirmed

Why the switch?

I'm not really interested in a late ceph wagon and I think I'd actually rather lynch cabd than reck.

[TierShift]

Grey, 2235.

Hammering in 24 hours. If there are any objections, speak up.

[shos]

Vote Count 2.25

Cabd (5): xRECKONERx, notscience, Cephrir, Iecerint, GreyICE

On the VC where Kats got lynched we had:
Cabd (5): xRECKONERx, Iecerint, Katsuki, Rhinox, T-Bone

Difference is..

NS, ceph, GreyICE got on
Rhinox, Katsuki, Tbone got off

we can remove katsuki from the analysis because that was a counterwagon.

Rhinox is town, Tbone is scum;
NS is scum, Ceph is town, Grey is mehtown.

this is like the most completely average result anyone ever EVER in the history of the world got in any situation whatsoever.

[Iecerint]

no

unless you want a townlynch

So now you're basically doing the same thing that made LLD scum earlier. Why are you so sure Cabd is town now but when LLD was sure Cabd was town she was whiteknighting because she couldn't possibly be sure Cabd was town?

I think the presence of hypocrisy is valid, but my take on Wisdom's whole schtick is that he doesn't earnestly believe the things he says and he's doing it to assess players' reactions. I don't know if it's alignment-relevant for him (someone who does know can weigh-in I guess).

Hypocrisy in general is not a great scumtell I think.

I think we should lynch Cabd today. He beats Ceph for the reasons I stipulated the last time we went over this a few days ago (e.g., Ceph has the negative track result, said some things consistent with no action). Really, we should have done Cabd D1 and Cephrir D2, but D1 didn't happen that way.

Related note: the idea that there is not resistance to Cabd's lynch is ludicrous (cf., Katsuki being lynched D1).

I have not fully read the last few pages yet.

[shos]

Grey, 2235.

Hammering in 24 hours. If there are any objections, speak up.

OBJECTION

Cuz I want to hammer

[Iecerint]

Vote Count 2.25

Cabd (5): xRECKONERx, notscience, Cephrir, Iecerint, GreyICE

On the VC where Kats got lynched we had:
Cabd (5): xRECKONERx, Iecerint, Katsuki, Rhinox, T-Bone

Difference is..

NS, ceph, GreyICE got on
Rhinox, Katsuki, Tbone got off

we can remove katsuki from the analysis because that was a counterwagon.

Rhinox is town, Tbone is scum;
NS is scum, Ceph is town, Grey is mehtown.

this is like the most completely average result anyone ever EVER in the history of the world got in any situation whatsoever.

I do not follow your conclusions at all. What do they have to do with who left and who got on the wagon?

[shos]

no

unless you want a townlynch

So now you're basically doing the same thing that made LLD scum earlier. Why are you so sure Cabd is town now but when LLD was sure Cabd was town she was whiteknighting because she couldn't possibly be sure Cabd was town?

I think the presence of hypocrisy is valid, but my take on Wisdom's whole schtick is that he doesn't earnestly believe the things he says and he's doing it to assess players' reactions. I don't know if it's alignment-relevant for him (someone who does know can weigh-in I guess).

Youu...haven't played too much with Wisdom, have you?
Wisdom is a tunnel to the death kind of player, who stands behind 99.9% of his reasoning 99.0% of the time.

if he says something, he believes in it, it's not for reactions. reaction fishing is MY sport, lol.


This only makes it wierder though, because Wisdom has been

very

shifty this game, and I find it unlike him.

[TierShift]

This only makes it wierder though, because Wisdom has been very shifty this game, and I find it unlike him.

That makes him town rather than scum.

[Iecerint]

I have never played with Wisdom before.

[Iecerint]

Cephrir is online right now.

[GreyICE]

Grey, 2235.

Hammering in 24 hours. If there are any objections, speak up.

Ah, missed that. I'll ask Lexi why she townreads Cabd, frankly I didn't feel like arguing with her, it's not like I'd ever win that one anyway. I can ask her tonight, but we have a guest coming, and she gives so little fucks about this game that I'm not sure anything useful will come.

Me personally, I scumread Cabd from what I first read of this game, and frankly jack shit has happened here to make me change my mind, except maybe Wisdom coming in and saying "What happens

when

Cabd flips town!"

So I have a question, you scumread Cabd since early, according to your ISO.

All right, I think I'm caught up.

strong town

ceph
Iec

town

shos
NS- uhh this might be more null but I'm not putting this in scummy
mollie slot- ediie are you gonna do stuff today?
T-bone- I'm thinking this slot is on the right way, let's see where it goes.

scummy

Lady person
Rhino- town if cabd scum so maybe should be higher but I feel bad about his posts

lynch pls

reck
cabd

I really feel pretty good about cabd and reck being scum. I feel that both of them independently have a great chance of being scum and their interactions around cabd's readslist are telling.

VOTE: cabd
or reck whatever way this swings

So... where have you been all day on this one?

[shos]

Vote Count 2.25

Cabd (5): xRECKONERx, notscience, Cephrir, Iecerint, GreyICE

On the VC where Kats got lynched we had:
Cabd (5): xRECKONERx, Iecerint, Katsuki, Rhinox, T-Bone

Difference is..

NS, ceph, GreyICE got on
Rhinox, Katsuki, Tbone got off

we can remove katsuki from the analysis because that was a counterwagon.

Rhinox is town, Tbone is scum;
NS is scum, Ceph is town, Grey is mehtown.

this is like the most completely average result anyone ever EVER in the history of the world got in any situation whatsoever.

I do not follow your conclusions at all. What do they have to do with who left and who got on the wagon?

Well, the idea was to see what happens to the wagon after its counterwagon flipped town.

if you were scum on a town wagon whose counterwagon flipped town, you'd try to get OFF it, so that the town relynch that counterwagon and you'll be off it.
if you were town on a wagon whose counterwagon flipped town, you'd be even more sure that you were right.

The easy part is that if cabd flips scum, then both you(Iec) and Reck are 90% town on my end.
The hard part is seeing who changed their positions on the wagon.

for example, let's look at Tbonescum. He supported that wagon on D1, and unless I missed something(have I?) he didn't give any real good reason to not vote cabd today. it's not like cabd posted anything worthy; and the argument that LLD was scum wking->cabd is town is so bullshit that I don't think it's even been tried; especially with no flips and no LLD vote on his part.

Rhinox got off in order to tunnel me, a read he was on from D1 iirc, so that does not look like running away. compare: Tbone is actually not voting anyone.

of those who got on: we have NSscum, who I have no idea what to think of (bussing? he's literally on the wagon since daystart, and hasn't posted shit ever since, so he might just haven't seen that the wagon grew and didn't get the chance to unvote), and Ceph and Grey, both of which I read as town at some certainty, more or less - so that gives me better feels about hammering..

so yeah, this could prove much more useful, but it isn't. if we have a scumflip, this is GRAND, because both scumflip and loads of good townies. if this is somehow a townflip, then really what the fuck, but I'd go and see D1 for those who did NOT support either of the wagons and just let the town destroy itself.