White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 3.06

Aneninen (2) - Ankamius, Antihero
Ankamius (2) - Aneninen, theelkspeaks
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting (3) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Regfan, Zachrulez

With 9 alive, it will take 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, May 11, 2015, at 12:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-11 12:00:00).

Moderator Comments

Equinox is V/LA until April 30.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You're acting like I need more reasons to scum read you. I have reasons and I have stated them.

This is how the convo went:
BBT: [...] and I have further reasons.
CES: What are those?
BBT: CDwagon was clearly scum-driven.
CES: Why is that?
BBT: Because you're scum.

Stop pretending you have reason

s

; you have one reason and it's not very good.

Hmm, I don't get Ankamius' unvote late D2.

Like, it doesn't make sense from either alignment. I initially thought that maybe he was scum with CES but he unvotes after CD becomes the leading wagon (which he wouldn't need to do to save his buddy from being lynched). Also, VCA aside, I don't see scum motivation in Ank's posting.

CES, what is the scum motivation behind Ank unvoting? I know you said townies want to influence the lynch at the end of the day; anything else? Because it makes no sense to me..

I didn't claim Ank's unvote was definitely scummy. That was my initial impulse but I've been trying to sort out why he did it - he's claiming he thought both me and Cheery Dog were town, which although true, seems like a peculiar thing for town to have been thinking (whereas scum know it's true).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

CES, I don't need to convince you that you're scum. I need everyone else to see it, I feel like at this point it should be pretty fucking obvious, but whatever, I'll wait.

You didn't claim it was 'definitely' scummy, haha. Now starts the backtracking.

Can we lynch this please?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You didn't claim it was 'definitely' scummy, haha. Now starts the backtracking.

What do you think this conversation was about? Me convincing you Ank is scum? I'm trying to sort out your alignment. Ank's unvote is the most obvious example of something that seems quite alignment-indicative, something that is revealing about Ank's inner workings and something that you ignored all together and I had to push you to look at multiple times before you did.

Ank, I still want your reads specifically.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, so I was reading elk's ISO and I noticed a trend; he says he is going to do a lot of shit and nothing ever comes of it. He's also pretty fency-sitty/wishy-washy with a lot of the things he says.

His early play; he flings mud at the early Ika wagon and then doesn't push it any further. He claims in 117 that he is going to look closely at the people voting Ika and this never comes. He does a quick ISO of Cheery and then sheeps his strongest town-read (TTH) and votes Psyche in 201.

357 - Zach is scum. Then nothing. He explains his read in 369 and then there is no follow up.

387 - This is his post that seems to have got him town-read (ignored) for the majority of the game. What's interesting in this post is that his team (copper) are throwing suspicion on CES. Elk himself says CES is null/scum. This, again, is never followed up on.

From here he moves onto Aero. His read on Aero in 433 is as wishy-washy as it gets.

545 - He is going to reread Aero and get input from his team.

596 - No explanation of his reread and Aero is scummy after elk read his ISO. No explanation for this read at all, no reasons. States intent to hammer.

Yeah, I could lynch Elk toDay.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What do you think this conversation was about? Me convincing you Ank is scum? I'm trying to sort out your alignment.

Ank, I still want your reads specifically.

You very clearly assigned scum points to Ank for the unvote and I don't see how that works; so yeah, that's what I assumed the conversation was about.

[Antihero]

Frankly, are you scum or simply trolling around?
I've been talking about this game!
But okay, I'm walking you through it.
(1) Take a look at the playerlist of the whole Team Mafia. I'm not even in the Top50 experienced players!
(2) Before replacing in I hadn't heard about Team Mafia at all. (Nor the rules or whatsoever.) While catching-up I tried to understand the concept and everything etc. And what a surprise, "my catch-up and my reads are terrible"!
(3) Also, I replaced into a lurk-slot. I haven't got an idea what happened to Psycho and why he didn't do anything. (Here are some paraphrases from the Team Thread: "I don't quite understand whats going on", "grrrr mislynch", then "give me more time", "I don't wanna play"...)

Now, add these things together. What do you get? An easy mislynch.

oh my god you are NOT a newb and you replaced into a SCUMMY slot, not a lurker slot

and don't even fucking PRETEND that you're scumreading me at this point

[Antihero]

While catching-up I tried to understand the concept and everything etc. And what a surprise, "my catch-up and my reads are terrible"!

what's to not understand?

you're playing a MAFIA game. that means there's an INFORMED MINORITY against an UNINFORMED MAJORITY. it's the DAY PHASE. that means you VOTE who to LYNCH.

is any of this

ringin' a bell?

[Antihero]

and the "reads" are made-up horseshit because most of the townreads were consensus townreads not many ppl were going to dispute, the scumreads were bleh-worthy at best, and the TWO LEADING WAGONS we were choosing between JUST SO HAPPENED to fall in this nebulous gray area shrouded in the effluvia of uncertainty that JUST COULDN'T BE LIFTED FUCKING EVER EVEN THOUGH THE ENTIRE THREAD WAS BEATING THE TOPIC TO DEATH

[Aneninen]

Talking to Wgeurts a bit.

He says this:

@BBT: CES is town for fudge sake get your crumpets together and get on a real scum like Ank/Zach/Ika!!!

[Aneninen]

Also, reconsidering my reads.
I'll need to go soon, so this will come later.

[Antihero]

tell wgeurts to lay off the weed and the nationalistic stereotypes

also, kindly ask him to explain why CES is town

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Talking to Wgeurts a bit.

He says this:

@BBT: CES is town for fudge sake get your crumpets together and get on a real scum like Ank/Zach/Ika!!!

Oh shit, I better go ahead and do that then.

As well as explaining the CES town-read, can he go ahead and explain how Zach and Ank are scum.

[ika]

Talking to Wgeurts a bit.

He says this:

@BBT: CES is town for fudge sake get your crumpets together and get on a real scum like Ank/Zach/Ika!!!

i dunno whats more humorous in this

the fact wgert thinks zach is scum or i am scum

[Ankamius]

Talking to Wgeurts a bit.

He says this:

@BBT: CES is town for fudge sake get your crumpets together and get on a real scum like Ank/Zach/Ika!!!

i dunno whats more humorous in this

the fact wgert thinks zach is scum or i am scum

The more humorous point is that he thinks Zach and I are scummates.

[Ankamius]

Ank, I still want your reads specifically.

SCUM
Aneninen
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theelkspeaks
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Zachrulez
NULL
ika
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Cogito Ergo Sum
Regfan
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BlueBloodedToffee
Antihero
TOWN

[Ankamius]

Zachrulez moved towards town with the sudden backing off of me at a really awkward time. It makes him being a teammate with Ascuminen less likely since he has a lot more pressure than I do, so suddenly backing off of the primary counterwagon doesn't click.

Honestly, the only way I can see this being a scum response is if he's scum with BBT and they're trying to maneuver around, but I don't really get why this would be necessary since that would require both wagons to be on town because of the above.

[Zachrulez]

VOTE: Aneninen

[Zachrulez]

Anen voting Ika at deadline and turning around and going after Ank today feels more planned to me than genuine scumhunting.

Plus everything else he's posting today that I want to burn with fire.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Aneninen also makes a lot of sense as partner to either elk or BBT.

Ank, so you no longer think the Cheery Dog was scum-driven?

Regfan, I gave you a thought-out response and everything and you just disappeared on me. Don't make me doubt your town read on you, please.

Elk, what prompted you to look at the mod iso?

[ika]

ces why are you not voting?

(and before you ask me im being deliberly lazy asshole and to piss off BBT)

[Regfan]

Sorry ive got stuck working a few long back to back shifts, have tomorrow off though so will get to this thenm

[Ankamius]

Ank, so you no longer think the Cheery Dog was scum-driven?

I don't know. I'm starting to get back into trying to figure out individuals over the gamestate.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

tell wgeurts to lay off the weed and the nationalistic stereotypes

also, kindly ask him to explain why CES is town

Why aren't you voting CES?

snip

Ank, I have no idea how you have Zach and Ika as nulls.

Anen voting Ika at deadline and turning around and going after Ank today feels more planned to me than genuine scumhunting.

Plus everything else he's posting today that I want to burn with fire.

This is a good post.

[Equinox]

theelkspeaks has been prodded.