Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

Because he said he blocked Eddie when mollie had claimed mailman.

[Magua]

Vote Count 3.2

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

GreyICE (2): shos, T-Bone
Cephrir (2): Wisdom, xRECKONERx
T-Bone (1): GreyICE

Not Voting (4): Cephrir, Iecerint, notscience, TierShift

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday May 14th, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-14 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cephrir	-	51
GreyICE	-	48
Iecerint	-	50
notscience	-	55
shos	-	57
T-Bone	-	48
TierShift	-	50
Wisdom	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	58

@Mod
shos should be notscience in this votecount

The vote count is correct.

[Wisdom]

Grey outted himself as scum

Tbone explain to me again how Grey's claim supposedly outs him as scum

[Wisdom]

also wat

ns vote is shos's now?

[Wisdom]

I'm probably crazy, but I'm rereading the exchange and think Tbone is town. Maybe even Reck.

And I don't like Grey.

[Wisdom]

And I feel like Iecerint should be way more wary of sheeping me than he is. I am used to everyone being against me, this doesn't feel right.

[Wisdom]

I can buy ceph/grey/Iecerint actually

Ceph and Iecerint were my first gut scumreads when I was catching up and grey was LLD, so yeah

Anyway. Ceph has to go.

[xRECKONERx]

Because he said he blocked Eddie when mollie had claimed mailman.

Okay but how does that involve me?

[xRECKONERx]

I think Ceph does have to go but...yeah.

Grey should still check me tonight.

[Wisdom]

ok let me be clear because I guess I'm confusing you more

D1 message was

Reck

. mollie sent him a reachout, mentioning she is pretty freaking town, which Reck acknowledged in 432.

D2 message was

shos

. Eddie sent him a message saying that he was thinking Tbone is scum. shos acknowledged that in 1404.

shos did not seem to realize it was Eddie though, because he was asking Tier if it's him.

Anyhow, my point is that Tbone could have known my messenger is day action either from Reck or shos, allowing him to claim a roleblock on me safely.

yes

Though shos is less likely because he didn't seem to know it was Eddie, unless he was faking it

UNVOTE:

Yeah, I agree with your thoughts. It's either Tbone is telling the truth, didn't see the claim, and blocked me because he was scumreading me, or, he is scum with Reck, they saw the claim, they understood it's dayaction from mollie's message, and so he fakeclaimed safely.

This means that Tbone scum is dependent on Reck scum.

[xRECKONERx]

Or... third option... T-Bone is scum who fakeclaimed without reading mollie's claim?

Or, T-Bone is scum who actually is a roleblocker and actually did block the mollie slot.

[xRECKONERx]

Your 2267 is a false dichotomy.

[Wisdom]

Or... third option... T-Bone is scum who fakeclaimed without reading mollie's claim?

Or, T-Bone is scum who actually is a roleblocker and actually did block the mollie slot.

First makes no sense because at least one person on his team would have seen it.
Second makes no sense because scum don't block a mailman.

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm. I suppose one person might've seen it -- then why does it have to be me? Why am I the

only

person that could've seen it and informed him?

[Wisdom]

That's not what was argued, read again

[xRECKONERx]

I just did, I don't get it.

[Wisdom]

Even if they saw mollie's claim they didn't know it was a day action. Mailman usually acts at night.

You received a message from mollie D1, therefore they learned it's day action, making it safe for Tbone to claim he blocked Eddie

[xRECKONERx]

Oh I see what you mean now. Hmm.

I mean, alternatively, he could've not prepared a fakeclaim with his scumteam and had to do it on the spot when he got the track result?

I dunno. The more I talk about this, the more I think he's probably town who made bad life choices.

[Wisdom]

They have daychat, so

[xRECKONERx]

Oh. >.>

Hmm. So then the only way T-Bone is scum is if he just went all balls-out with the claim and nobody on his team corrected him, or nobody on his team saw the mollie claim.

[shos]

proddodge, life and all

[T-Bone]

Grey outted himself as scum

Tbone explain to me again how Grey's claim supposedly outs him as scum

Well other than I already think he is scum. His claim is safe as it outs no new information. We already knew I had a night action (at least a claimed one) and we already knew NotSci claimed hated with no night action. I mean maybe the NS thing was a calculated gamble (he could have had a night action and not mentioned it), but the way in which he came out with it provided no new insight to the game state. What did we learn? What did Greytown produce to help us lynch scum? I think Greyscum's goals was to prompt a mass claim and to get some town cred with his claim by giving out true information. On the surface he has given us truth with his claim whether it's his real role or a fakeclaim. You can't compare my claim to his either as they accomplished fundamentally different things. I really don't know what his accomplished as town. I know that at least I may have potentially cleared two slots as town, so that's something. With nine players, from my perspective 3 out of 6 potential lynches are scum lynches. I don't think Grey did anything protown, he was just trying to look town.

[xRECKONERx]

TBF, I think if you look at, "OMG, T-Bone targeted a dead player and someone people thought was town!" then you do have to look at how safe and ineffective Grey's choices were, as well.

[Wisdom]

ok. That's not the meaning of "outted himself as scum". You just find it scummy.

[Wisdom]

you do have to look at how safe and ineffective Grey's choices were, as well.

Why were they safe and ineffective? LLD supposedly targeted Tbone on N1, before he had claimed. As for targetting ns, having claimed hated meant nothing, we had a whole discussion about whether he is hated scum or town.